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FannySS Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:35 AM
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Were there other (smaller) aircraft accidents at the pentagon or Capitol?
Friends,

I´m researching for a (german) magazin and I´m asking for your help:

Does somebody know, if there were aircraft accidents at the Pentagon or at the White House etc.?

I only know this two:
1) On February 17, 1974, Robert Preston, a private in the Army, stole an Army helicopter from Fort Meade, Maryland, and flew it to the White House Complex. http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/ustreas/usss/t1pubrpt.html

2) September 12, 1994: A man, flying a stolen Cessna airplane, entered the prohibited airspace around the White House just before 2 a.m.
After passing over the Ellipse, the man, identified as Frank Eugene Corder, crashed on the lawn just south of the Executive Mansion. The plane struck a tree near the South Portico steps and hit a corner on the first floor of the White House.

If you know more, it would help!

Thanks, Fanny
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:06 PM
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1. try here and search
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 12:12 PM by tech3149
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp that should get you what you need.

edit: I just searched the 94 incident and came up blank. Could it be an Ashcroft scrub/
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:21 PM
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2. Ashcroft
That's a nice database, thanks, but it's not complete.

But why would Ashcroft "scrub" the 1994 incident?

1. it's not exactly secret..

2. NTSB does not come under the Justice Department so he has no jurisdiction there.
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:40 PM
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5. Fed govt. has scrubbed a lot
of websites of information since Sept 11 for (so called) security reasons.
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:10 AM
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7. Do you have an example

of that?

Off hand I recall no notice to that effect.
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:10 PM
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10. I don't have a link
but there was a post earlier today regarding the last sotu video linking to another video. About 6 months ago I was searching the FAA site for procedural manuals and directives and there was no information or link provided. I had discussions with a co-worker (former AF tech) back in 2000 and he pointed me toward the link.

I can't say if it's truly a scrubbing operation or errors in website support, but given the objection to sharing information and unwillingness to share information I am skeptically of anything that reduces access to information.
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 08:17 PM
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3. It was 9/11/94

not September 12.
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:38 PM
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4. I spread the search out to 9/11 to 9/13 with no results
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:08 AM
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6. Google

Via google.com "Corder" and "White House" comes up with 822 pages.

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PerpetualYnquisitive Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:14 AM
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8. Must've been something in the water that month(Feb. '74)
The Plot to Kill Nixon

Samuel Joseph Byck (1930 - February 22, 1974) was an unemployed tire salesman who attempted to hijack a plane from Baltimore-Washington International Airport on February 22, 1974. He intended to crash into the White House in hopes of killing U.S. President Richard M. Nixon. Byck shot and killed one of the pilots on the DC-9 Delta Airlines Flight 523, wounded another, then grabbed a nearby passenger and ordered her to "fly the plane".

Full article: http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/s/sa/samuel_byck.html

As you can plainly see, no one had ever envisioned terrorists’ using planes and crashing them into buildings.
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FannySS Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:02 AM
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9. What I´m looking for
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 11:04 AM by FannySS
I´m looking for accidents/incidents like those:

1) On February 17, 1974, Robert Preston, a private in the Army, stole an Army helicopter from Fort Meade, Maryland, and flew it to the White House Complex. http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/ustreas/usss/t1pubrpt.html

2) September 12, 1994: A man, flying a stolen Cessna airplane, entered the prohibited airspace around the White House just before 2 a.m. (...) The plane struck a tree near the South Portico steps and hit a corner on the first floor of the White House. http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/07/whitehouse.incidents.02/

3) June 20, 2002: Air traffic controllers in Baltimore first spotted the unidentified light aircraft heading toward Washington just before 8 p.m. Wednesday. The Air Force scrambled two F-16 fighters after the plane entered restricted airspace over the capital a few minutes later. But before the streaking jets got close enough to intercept the single-engine plane, it was close enough to the White House to hit the building had the pilot wanted to, the authorities said today. "They would not have gotten there in time," a senior Bush administration official said of the F-16's based at Andrews Air Force Base, 10 miles from the capital. (...) About five minutes after the plane left the restricted zone, the F-16's took off — 14 minutes after they were ordered aloft, a span that was within their required response time but well after the potential threat had passed. http://www.standdown.net/cessna182flewtooclosetothewhitehouse.htm

So I´m looking for other incidents like theese, in particular incidents, where planes crashed into the White House, the Capitol or similar buildungs. Doesn´t matter if this happened with intentionally or not or if it was a small or a big plane, or a helicopter...

So sorry, but could anybody help me? Haven´t there been similar incidents?

Thanks, Fanny
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FannySS Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 11:31 AM
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11. ?? HELP ME !! Weren´t there crashes at Camp David, Capitol, nuclear pps?
I remember that there have been crashes with small planes (or helocopter) into a famous buildung (or was it a harmless crash into a nuclear power plant?), but I cannot find infos at the moment.

I got this two, but there must be more:

On February 17, 1974, Robert Preston, a private in the Army, stole an Army helicopter from Fort Meade, Maryland, and flew it to the White House Complex. http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/ustreas/usss/t1pubrpt.html

September 12, 1994: A man, flying a stolen Cessna airplane, entered the prohibited airspace around the White House just before 2 a.m. After passing over the Ellipse, the man, identified as Frank Eugene Corder, crashed on the lawn just south of the Executive Mansion. The plane struck a tree near the South Portico steps and hit a corner on the first floor of the White House. http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/07/whitehouse.incidents.02/

Does somebody remember?

Thanks, Fanny
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