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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 10:22 PM
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Weird 9/11 - The Big Lebowski tie-in...
At about 2 minutes into the movie, The Dude is writing a check at a Ralph's grocery store, and GHWB is on the TV talking about Saddam ("This will not stand, this aggression against Kuwait..").

The date on the check?

September 11th, 1991

:wow:

The amount of the check?

69 cents!

:P

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 10:35 PM
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1. And he's postdating the check.
Edited on Mon May-11-09 10:43 PM by Bolo Boffin
The landlord says tomorrow is the tenth - but that's two days later. He writes the check, gets attacked, and goes bowling where Walter tells him to go to the Big Lebowski. The next day he goes to see the Big Lebowski and goes bowling again that night (when Walter pulls the piece on Smokey), and the next day he's listening to the messages when the landlord rings the doorbell and tells him tomorrow is the tenth. So he's writing the check on September 7.
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NowHearThis Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 08:00 AM
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2. Pentagon photos that show a Nike swoosh were allegedly...
of a plane crashing into the building, but the photos were dated Sept. 12th. Maybe a swoosh was photographed there on
Sept. 12th, but why did BUSHCO tell the world that the event in question took place the day before?

Please, Untruthers, no substantive responses. It would be out of character and thus further undermine Untruther credibility.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 09:23 AM
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3. Well, that's just, you know, like, your opinion, man. n/t
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NowHearThis Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 03:14 PM
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6. You must be visually impaired if you think it shows a plane
Or else you gotta wholelottafaith goin' on.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 04:24 PM
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8. You're killing your father, NowHearThis. n/t
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 09:26 AM
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4. what do you do for a living?
just curious
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 03:00 PM
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5. Are you sure it was 1991?
Edited on Tue May-12-09 03:05 PM by JackRiddler
Bush really did deliver his speech to Congress about Iraq and Kuwait, in which he envisions the beginning of a "new world order," on Sept. 11, 1990, so this detail would seem to be referring to that, rather than magically foreshadowing 9/11. By the next Sept. 11th, of course, the war was already over by more than six months.

Is The Dude post-dating by more than a year, perhaps to get away with paying nothing? The confusion about the movie action actually starting four days earlier might be due to continuity error. Seems likely to me the screenwriters would know the famous Bush speech had been on the 11th, and it seems less likely they're setting this on the 7th (with a less known Bush speech incidentally on the radio during the scene) and having The Dude pick a post-date that happens to be the 11th, when the famous speech happens. Then again, why not? It's a movie, right?

I don't remember other details about days and dates, though I love the film, and of course its fans will remember at least some of the action happened on Saturday - Erez Shabbaz! ;)

Some cut pasta:

http://911truth.org/osamas/history.html#1990



SNIP

... So nicely set up, the war still needed its political justifications. Bush martialed a coalition of 28 allies and got the Japanese, Germans, Saudis and Gulf States to pony up many billions for the liberation of Kuwait (The war was the first ever to make a direct profit for the Pentagon). At home, he was confronted with a moderate level of protests and nearly half the Senate against him. With the deployments underway, Bush therefore spoke to a joint session of Congress on Sept. 11, 1990, delivering a speech entitled: "Towards a New World Order."

Here is the passage where he uses the miscreant phrase:

We stand today at a unique and extraordinary moment. The crisis in the Persian Gulf, as grave as it is, also offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective -- a new world order -- can emerge: a new era -- freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice, and more secure in the quest for peace. An era in which the nations of the world, East and West, North and South, can prosper and live in harmony. A hundred generations have searched for this elusive path to peace, while a thousand wars raged across the span of human endeavor. Today that new world is struggling to be born, a world quite different from the one we've known. A world where the rule of law supplants the rule of the jungle. A world in which nations recognize the shared responsibility for freedom and justice. A world where the strong respect the rights of the weak.

A new era was indeed a-dawning, above all because the Soviet Union was in a state of advanced collapse. Brzezinski's Afghanistan gambit had succeeded as one of many factors in the Soviet decline. (It had also spread the CIA-trained "Afghan Arab" network around the world.) Bankrupt and plagued by nationalist uprisings, the Soviet empire was opening up to Western capital, as China had done since the late 1970s. The Western power elite understood that great changes were coming in the world order. The old system was entering a new phase, which has been called globalist, and which involves a greater role for openly "internationalist" institutions.

But nobody needed Bush to tell them that!

Many people think Bush's speech was the declaration of a one-world government. They seize on the phrase, "new world order," as though it signifies a specific, organized power, the N.W.O. - something apart from "America," something that may one day subject the U.S. government and its people to the strictures of the United Nations, NATO or some other globalist structure. To me, this idea is hash. Bush was always the player and front-man of the Old World Order, the same American-centered power elite that governed most of the planet long before the Berlin Wall fell...

SNIP

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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 03:54 PM
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7. Hey, good catch!
It's written up on IMDb this way:

"Anachronisms: The film is set to take place during the first Gulf War, yet, during the opening scene in Ralph's when The Dude writes a check for his Half-n-Half, he dates it '9-11-91', even though The Gulf War ended in March, 1991. (Possibly done deliberately to show The Dude post-dating a check.)"

:rofl:



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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 04:39 PM
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9. I don't think it's a continuity error, I think it's a joke
But this may be the only reference to an actual solid date in the movie. The next time I watch it, I'll pay more attention here. But you're right -- it could be happening in 2000, which would be even funnier a postdate. And if it is continuity, then it worked out all right. :D

The writers' intent of the Dude "coincidentally" using the date of Bush's big NWO speech may be there. It certainly would fit in with the general conflict (the achievers vs. the bums).
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