Holmgren and Reynolds on No Planes on 911- Exposing the Illusion

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

By Ronald Bleier

http://desip.igc.org/NoPlanesOn911.html

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Like most people, on September 11th 2001, I believed the official story about the terror attacks. It took me almost three years to become a skeptic. The major issue that led me finally to question the official accounts was the manner of the collapse of the Twin Towers. After watching a one-hour critical video in the summer of 2004 (see below) I decided to look into the question of whether the Twin Towers and Building 7 were brought down by pre-planned demolition charges. In due course, as I researched the issue in books, video and the Internet, I become convinced that the terrible events of that day were planned and executed by the Bush administration. I saw no way out of Jim Hoffman’s theory that if the WTC Towers were brought down by controlled demolition, then Osama Bin Laden couldn’t have been responsible.<1>

Finally, to complete my conversion, about a year later, I read an article by Australian researcher Gerard Holmgren, called "Manufactured Terrorism,"<2> which propounded what seemed an incredible theory: that no large passenger jets were used in any of the 9/11 attacks, including New York City. Later I read yet another key article supporting the same No Planes Theory (NPT), this one by Morgan Reynolds<3>, former Chief Economist at the U.S. Department of Labor 2001-2002. I soon became an advocate of the NPT, a tiny subset of the 9/11-truth movement.

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On the day of 9/11 I experienced a heavy dose of the intended shock and awe when I watched in real time the collapses of the Twin Towers. Shortly after 9:03 a.m. I heard on the radio that there was video of a big passenger plane hitting the South Tower and I was glued to the TV for the next couple of hours.

Later I was relieved to learn that the government had quickly identified the perpetrators -– the story was that they were Islamic extremists<4>. It wasn’t much of a stretch for me to imagine that the motive for the attacks was revenge mainly for U.S./Israeli policies in the Middle East. The thought that my government, specifically the Bush-Cheney administration, might be the ones who planned and executed the attacks didn’t enter my mind, nor would such an outrageous unthinkable idea seem to me for many months within the realm of possibility. . . .

[SDuderstadt]

1. Simple question....

why doesn't a single controlled demolition expert subscribe to this claim?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

5. Simple answer. It would be for the same reason(s) not a single member of corporate owned...

...MSM, established left gatekeeper media, the CIA, the FBI, or the Congress, is willing to acknowledge CD (probably the most glaringly obvious truth concerning the events of 9-11), either they don't wish to suffer the personal repercussions, or they're still in denial, or, like you, they're integrity challenged.

Simple question for you, Sdude: Given your prolific posting history, for so many months now, chiming in on just about every 9-11 thread that comes along, why is it that on the rare occasion when a 9-11 related thread like this one...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4141202

...is permitted to stay in GD, receiving significant attention (over 100 recs), showing clearly that the DU community believes 9-11 was an inside job, you're always nowhere to be found?

Is there something about stepping out from the confines of the 9-11 dungeon and into the sunlight that frightens you?

I think so.

[greyl]

8. Integrity? Too bad for you, that the GD thread and your bullshit OP here can't be integrated into

a coherent narrative. The GD thread is in fundamental conflict with no planes garbage.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

10. Great presentation, Greyl...

...your thorough and methodical dissection/analysis and debunking of Mr. Bleier's 9-11 paper is airtight and unassailable -- you turned me, man, from now on it's nothing but "19 Arabs with box cutters" from me.

Thanks for setting me straight.

[greyl]

13. Your reply is pathetic, Mr_Jefferson_24.

It's nothing more than a resort to Invincible Ignorance combined with red herring.
Zero points for you.
Try again, but this time try to show fault in the logical position of my previous post using a valid argument.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

16. For once, Greyl, why don't you try reading an OP...

...and then responding intelligently to its content -- just to see what it feels like. Who knows, you might even like it and it would set a good example for the other brigade members.

[SDuderstadt]

17. Ummm, there are close to 130,000 registrations to DU....

It's kinda stupid to claim 100 recs models all of DU. And, I'll post in whatever forum I want to or don't want to. Don't like that? Then set up your own forum where you can make the rules.

[victordrazen]

7. There is a saying that the best way to defeat your enemy

is to become your enemy. I don't remember who said it or exactly how it is worded, but I think that is the thinking in the management of the "truth" movement. I am sure the 911 truth movement is infiltrated, if not downright run by the same folks who did 9-11. If there were no planes then there would be no need to push for "controlled demolition", it would just be a matter of which method was used to flatten the buildings and who did it. I think that the 911 movement was pushed toward the idea of controlled demolition, so that people would argue about proving demolition with very little evidence (since it was mostly destroyed), rather than looking at the real issue which is total deceit by the media.
I'm not saying that there aren't a lot of great people involved in the 911 movement, but it is being controlled by the bad guys.

Also, unfortunately, the worst infiltration is probably the no planes "subset" since the "bad guys" biggest fear is that people see through the media coverage. (Keep in mind, the "media" is owned by corporations that benefited from 911, and the stations are run by a lot of people who used to work for the military, intelligence, and defense contractors)
Web fairy and Nico Haupt types are planted to "poison the well". What they say about the planes is true, but then they throw a bunch of illogical ridiculous stuff in with it, and are generally not credible seeming people, so people throw out the baby with the bath water.
There is a site called "Oil Empire" which has been up since the "truth movement" started. It is a great way to see how the 911 movement is being run. The site predicted that there would be all these groups fighting against each other ( before it happened) and they said that the "no planers" were planted to discredit the movement, etc... The site basically tells people what the infiltrators are doing to control the movement except it is posing as a legit site. They also push "peak oil" and other propaganda.

"No planes" is not created to discredit the movement, rather the people running "no planes" were created to discredit the truth about the planes.

[Krow Magnone]

2. No planers are no brainers.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

12. Wow! Smackdown on me...

...I know when I've been bested -- youda Man!!!

And welcome to DU.

:hi:

[victordrazen]

15. what a "brainy" response. eom

[defendandprotect]

3. Correct ---

dupe

[defendandprotect]

4. Right ---

Illusion for the most part --

probably one plane used for "flyovers" --

The helicopter activity over the WTC also looks like it is controlling/timing
the explosions -- they're eerily closely matched up --

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

6. Those helicopters are highly suspect...

...and I believe they were used for sending remote demolition initiation signals.

[LARED]

9. I believe small green elves live in my basement.

Although I have never seen them.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

11. Might want to do some wall and floor scrapings...

...in your basement and see if you can come up with some DNA to run against your own -- if they're Leprechauns and one of them matches your DNA, you might have legitimate claim on a big pot of gold.

Who's your daddy, Lared?

[LARED]

14. Who's my daddy? Are you twelve years old? nt

[balantz]

18. Hey Mr. J.

Thanks for the great link!
:hi:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

19. You're very welcome.