The real purpose of the NIST WTC reports is exposed

[LARED]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081003122707.htm

New International Building Codes Address Fire Safety And Evacuation Issues For Tall Structures
ScienceDaily (Oct. 3, 2008)

— Future buildings—especially tall structures—should be increasingly resistant to fire, more easily evacuated in emergencies, and safer overall thanks to 23 major and far-reaching building and fire code changes approved recently by the International Code Council (ICC) based on recommendations from the Commerce Department's National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).

The recommendations were part of NIST's investigation of the collapses of New York City's World Trade Center (WTC) towers on Sept. 11, 2001. The changes, adopted at the ICC hearings held Sept. 15-21, 2008, in Minneapolis, Minn., will be incorporated into the 2009 edition of the ICC's I-Codes (specifically the International Building Code, or IBC, and the International Fire Code, or IFC), a state-of-the-art model code used as the basis for building and fire regulations promulgated and enforced by U.S. state and local jurisdictions. Those jurisdictions have the option of incorporating some or all of the code's provisions but generally adopt most provisions.

The new codes address areas such as increasing structural resistance to building collapse from fire and other incidents; requiring a third exit stairway for tall buildings; increasing the width of all stairways by 50 percent in new high-rises; strengthening criteria for the bonding, proper installation and inspection of sprayed fire-resistive materials (commonly known as "fireproofing"); improving the reliability of active fire protection systems (such as automatic sprinklers); requiring a new class of robust elevators for access by emergency responders in lieu of an additional stairway; making exit path markings more prevalent and more visible; and ensuring effective coverage throughout a building for emergency responder radio communications.

Nine additional code change proposals based on the NIST WTC recommendations were not approved for the 2009 edition of the I-Codes.

[William Seger]

1. Those bastards!

It's an evil plan to dominate the world by forcing everyone to work in safer buildings.

[LARED]

2. They can't hide. The truth about this evil is bubbling up all over

A/E firms everywhere.

[spooked911]

14. there is a trade-off of course, if you do a risk-benefit analysis

even by the official story, it's not clear making bldgs safe from 9/11-type attacks is worth the extra cost, given how rare these events are

[AZCat]

3. These aren't so bad.

Some of the proposed changes, though, will get some backlash from building owners/operators.

Requiring buildings more than 420 feet high to be designed to survive a building contents fire to burnout without more than local failure of the structural frame.
Requiring structures not to suffer a collapse disproportionate to a local initiating failure caused by an accident or incident.
Requiring a risk assessment and acceptable mitigation of risks for buildings more than 420 feet high with an occupant load greater than 5,000; for buildings with an occupant load greater than 10,000; and for buildings determined to be at higher than normal risk.

Providing sufficient proof of the above will significantly increase the cost of design for a building. I was talking with the head of our structural department the other day and he was pretty skeptical that these would get incorporated, although it's not unknown for stupid things to get adopted by the various code organizations. Fortunately most of the adopted provisions and the proposed (but not yet adopted) ones deal with this new class of "super high-rises" - buildings greater than 420' high. Most buildings just aren't that tall, so it isn't an issue for the majority of engineering firms.

[LARED]

4. If those rules are adopted building higher that 420 will virtually be

deemed financially to risky to build. On the other hand there are always innovative methods and technologies being developed that may overcome these issues.

[AZCat]

5. There might be an improvement in our tools...

but as the proposed revisions stand, they basically require the building designers to perform the same sort of analysis the NIST did for WTC 1, 2, and 7. While computers are significantly faster than they were several years ago, the fundamental problems with complex analysis still remain. I have a friend who works for Los Alamos, and her whole job is to examine the computer models and determine how unstable they are to changes in parameters. She finds lots of times the predicted outcomes vary significantly with small changes in parameters (the essence of a nonlinear system operating outside of the stable areas).

[SidDithers]

6. Heheh...you said higher than 420..heheh....

:hippie::smoke:

Sid

[uwilllosedu]

7. Ben and Brett

say to take a cookie break


on edit- burchie and Kimberlin, the handlers.

[William Seger]

8. Ben and Jerry

say to chill out.

Care to let us in on your little joke? I don't know who Ben and Brett are, but I don't want any of their cookies if burchie and Kimberlin have been handling them.

[ThisIsWhy]

9. Ben Burch and Brett Kimberlin

And make sure to have oat or almond milk with your cookies. That is healthier. It's time to stop exploiting the cattle.

Your assignment- find out why who Brett Kimberlin and Ben Burch truly are and what their influences are on the so-called progressive movement.

It has become common knowledge that true progressives are being pushed out of the major forums. Mmmmkay?

[LARED]

11. This guy?

http://backissues.cjrarchives.org/year/97/2/books-con.asp

Why should I give a rat rear end about him?

In the October 7, 1996, issue of The New Yorker, in a piece that could have run under the magazine's "Department of Further Amplification" heading, Mark Singer, a staff writer since 1974, confessed that he had allowed himself to be conned.

Specifically, he acknowledged that a 22,000-word story that he had written shortly before the 1992 presidential election was based in large part on what he now considers a lie.

The essence of that 1992 piece was that a drug dealer named Brett Kimberlin had been deprived of his constitutional rights by federal prison officials. They had prevented him from holding a press conference on the eve of the 1988 presidential election to discuss his claims that, for a period of time in the '70s, he had sold small amounts of marijuana to an Indiana University law student, Dan Quayle.

True, Kimberlin was silenced by prison officials. But Singer no longer believes that he ever sold any drugs to Quayle. "I spent four years asking questions about Kimberlin," Singer says, "and along the way I never met a soul who could offer genuine corroboration of the fable that brought him to my attention in the first place."

[PatrickSMcNally]

13. This one?

http://www.amazon.com/Citizen-Deeply-American-Journey-Kimberlin/dp/0679429999

Citizen K: The Deeply Weird American Journey of Brett Kimberlin (Hardcover)
by Mark Singer (Author)

Amazon.com Review
This book relates a journalist's worst nightmare: of getting deeply involved in a "big story" based on information from a single source who turns out to be a world-class liar. During the 1992 Presidential campaign Singer wrote a story for the New Yorker about the allegations by Brett Kimberlin, a former marijuana dealer then in prison for a series of bombings, that he had once sold marijuana to Vice President Dan Quayle. (The cartoonist Garry Trudeau was another journalist who pushed this story hard.) After signing a book contract to expand the story, Singer invested more and more time,and became frustrated by holes, inconsistencies and dead ends in Kimberlin's tale. Embroiled in a Kafkaesque mystery, Singer recounts his painstaking journalistic detective work, and his growing sense that this would be the story that got away.

From Publishers Weekly
After Garry Trudeau in "Doonesbury," the New Yorker's Mark Singer was possibly the most prominent journalist to sympathetically report allegations that convict Brett Kimberlin had sold marijuana to Dan Quayle when the Vice-President was a law student. Indeed, Singer signed a contract with Kimberlin to write a book, but Kimberlin turns out to be a top-flight con man, as the author reveals with dismay and near admiration. So this picaresque detective story has a mea culpa at its heart, an effort to explain how certain things, such as former Harvard Law dean Erwin Griswold's support for Kimberlin's court appeal and Kimberlin's muzzling by federal officials, helped build an edifice of sand. Singer conscientiously reconstructs Kimberlin's history of crime?he was a drug smuggler and, mostly likely, the man behind some vicious bombings in Indianapolis. Some of this narrative gets tedious, yet it's part of Singer's effort to contrast facts with Kimberlin's confident but "apparitional" explanations. Leavening the story are Singer's tales of Kimberlin's charmed life behind bars: he wangled unlimited long-distance phone service, became the jailhouse lawyer for numerous Mafiosi and snared an impressive legal support group. Now free, the former dope smuggler helps ship commodities to Ukraine; but when Kimberlin (with Singer in tow) had a chance to meet Quayle at a book signing, he refused to confront him. Quayle, it now seems, deserves apologies. 50,000 first printing.
Copyright 1996 Reed Business Information, Inc.

A book about a true psychopath..., September 2, 1998
By A Customer

Singer does an excellent job of portraying this madman from his beginnings here in Indianapolis as a prime suspect in the "Speedway Bombings" of the late 1970s to his accusations that he sold pot to Dan Quayle... Singer's subject is someone that you should be afraid to meet on the street and he does a great job explaining why and how...

[ThisIsWhy]

10. Burchie is your JREF buddy

You guys are over all these "progressive" boards. Right woos left. whatever. Maybe Anonymous folks in the world might be interested in the suppression of free speech and association on these boards?

[William Seger]

12. Oh, I see

You seem to be the star of your own little soap opera, but sorry, I must have missed the first hundred episodes or so.