6/28/01 Bill Cooper predicts 911 and the people behind it. Murdered 11/01

[Twist_U_Up]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4EyBstOsA

[SDuderstadt]

1. Well, of course....

the "New World Order" is behind it! LOL! Do you realize how goofy this makes you look?

[Ghost in the Machine]

2. How ironic...

"Do you realize how goofy this makes you look?"

I was just wondering the same thing about you and your posts. Are you *ever* going to post *anything* intelligent, or relevant to a discussion or do you plan to continue acting like a 3rd grader?


You've got nothing, do you?

[wildbilln864]

3. no nothing...

So glad I used my ignore button on that one a while back. Such a waste to take time to read the nonsense...
Meanwhile, I remember reading about how Cooper was shot while being served a warrant IMSMC.

[Diane_nyc]

6. "New World Order"

Yep it would have been nice if SDuderstadt had made substantive objections to the term "New World Order" rather than just saying it looks "goofy."

Anyhow, here's my take ....

"New World Order" is a term used by religious right wingers and other extreme right wingers as a catch-all for their various bugaboos.

The best-known early popularizer of "New World Order" as a term of opprobrium was televangelist Pat Robertson, who used the concept to advocate religion-based bigotry of various kinds. (See the thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=217381&mesg_id=217381">The "conspiracy theory debunker" community's surprising non-attention to bigotry against atheists. See especially http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=217381&mesg_id=217620">this post about Pat Robertson and http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=217381&mesg_id=217623">this post about the John Birch Society.)

Another popularizer, of course, was William Cooper, about whom see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=217887&mesg_id=217940">this post of mine, here in this thread.

There are plenty of legitimate criticisms one could make of George H.W. Bush's "New World Order" concept as a justification for the first invasion of Iraq. However, Bush I's "New World Order" concept had to do with foreign policy. It was not an all-encompassing dystopia.

There are also plenty of legitimate concerns about trends toward tyranny on the part of the Bush II administration. But we don't need the "New World Order" label to describe these.

[Diane_nyc]

4. William Cooper is not a credible source.

William Cooper also promoted grand-conspiracy claims involving UFO's and alien abductions, claims which he himself later concluded were "disinformation."

Cooper also promoted the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as an allegedly genuine document, albeit claiming that the "Elders of Zion" weren't really Jewish but were really "the Illuminati" pretending to be Jews.

However, the idea that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion contains the genuine plans of any real group of plotters is simply ridiculous. The Protocols were clearly intended as anti-democratic Czarist propaganda. See http://emperors-clothes.com/antisem/protocols-1.htm">‘The Protocols of Zion,’ Part One: Weapon Against Democracy by Jared Israel.

The Protocols are plagiarized from a bunch of earlier sources, both fiction and alleged non-fiction. For a brief history of literary precursors to the Protocols, see http://shamash.org/holocaust/denial/protocols.txt">The “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” and Antisemitism by Shaul Wallach. For more about The Protocols, see http://ddickerson.igc.org/protocols.html">David Dickerson’s collection of links.

[Twist_U_Up]

5. Fact of the matter is he predicted 911 5 mos beforehand

and included bin laden as a patsy.
Then just happened to end up dead shortly there after.

lucky guess?

Lets not throw the baby out with the bath water.

[Diane_nyc]

7. Cooper's prediction

Perhaps I should have posted my gripes about William Cooper in a different thread. I cannot watch streaming video, so I was not able to watch the video in the O.P.

So, could you please sum up exactly what William Cooper predicted?

For example, did he predict the exact date, targets, and method of the attack? If so, that would be impressive.

On the other hand, if Cooper merely predicted, in general terms, some kind of major attack by bin Laden (or using bin Laden as a patsy), that would not be so impressive. There had already been quite a few terrorist attacks attributed to bin Laden during the Clinton administration. So another, bigger bin Laden-connected attack should hardly have been a surprise to anyone.

[gbwarming]

8. No dates, targets or means. Cooper was entirely non-specific

rough transcript of the 6/28/01 cooper broadcast included in the youtube video:
" Supposedly a CNN reporter found Osama bin Laden, took a television camera crew with him, went in to Osama bin laden's hideout, interviewed him and his top leadership, and he came out and told everybody 'within three weeks Osama bin laden is going to attack the United States and Israel.' Now don't you think that's kind of strange folks? You see because the largest intelligence apparatus in the world with the biggest budget in the history of the world has been looking for osama bin laden for years and years and years and can't find him. some doofus jerkoff reporter with a camera crew waltzes right into his hideout and interviews him and i'm telling you be prepared for a major attack , but it won't be osama bin laden, it will be those behind the new world order. I wonder what "osama bin laden's" targets are supposed to be? And if this doesn't materialize within the next 2-3 weeks it will eventually materialize because they haven't succeeded in getting the guns out of the hand of the American people, nor have they succeeded in taking our freedoms away. And so I can tell you with a certainty they must do something terrible in order to stop this backlash and regain the sympathy of the mass herds of sheeple out there. "

It looks to me like he was referring to the Reuters article which appeared a few days prior, and in the process replaced MBC with CNN and 'atttack US and Israeli interests' with 'attack the US and Israel':

http://www.afghanistannewscenter.com/news/2001/june/jun24c2001.html
TV Report: Bin Laden Fighters Plan Anti-US Attack
Saturday, June 23, 2001 5:46 PM EST

LONDON (Reuters) - Followers of exiled Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden are planning a major attack on U.S and Israeli interests in the next two weeks, the Arabic satellite television channel MBC reported on Saturday.

The station, monitored by the BBC, broadcast a report from a correspondent in the Pakistani town of Quetta, who said he had met bin Laden two days ago in Afghanistan.
<snip>
The MBC correspondent said he had met bin Laden at an unspecified location some three hours' drive from the Afghan city of Kandahar. He had also talked with some of bin Laden's followers.

``All of them affirm that the next two weeks will witness a big surprise. A severe blow is expected against U.S. and Israeli interests worldwide,'' the reporter said.
<more>

[sabbat hunter]

11. wasn't there

also a document called "OBL determined to attack within the US"? A document that the Bush administration had weeks if not months before 9/11 and ignored?

Did the writers of that document get killed as well?

[defendandprotect]

16. The old response to the question . .. "How could they not have known?" ...

has been . . . "but there were no specifics . . . no one gave us dates and times!"

Every nation on the planet was reporting their intelligence to us of impending attacks --

And the United Nations Security Council sent its representatives to the White House/Bush

and to our intelligence agencies warning them in AUGUST . . . !!!

Now, would that be a time for a president to take a vacation?

Ignore, even CIA warnings?

This story is so stinky and full of holes it's amazing that anyone believes it !

[Democracyinkind]

21. See post no.20 for the story how "Cooper found out" ... It's batshit laughable....

[Bolo Boffin]

9. Didn't Alex Jones also "predict" 9/11?

And yet he lives on.

[Democracyinkind]

12. Actually, Bill and Alex had a feud b/c Alex shamelessy plagiarized Bill

it's most likely that Alex plagiarized Cooper in that case too. Indeed, they said about the same things.

They are both loons, but one shouldn't unerestimate their comedic worth.

[Bolo Boffin]

13. The only person that will ever kill Alex is Alex himself.

And I'm not talking intentional suicide. The way he gets worked up sometimes, I swear to God he's going to send himself into cardiac arrest.

(and don't tell anybody, but I get Alex-Jones vibes from Glenn Beck as well, especially in the working themselves into a fricking emotional state department)

[Democracyinkind]

17. I get that Alex vibe from Glenn too. So true. One day they're gonna just drop dead on a rant.

[defendandprotect]

15. He's a pretty good source now on 9/11 . . . but unfortunately he's now out of the picture . .!

And, that seems to happen quite frequently --

[Democracyinkind]

22. lol. reality bites?

Gun-toting self important morans end up shot by the police. It's not like there is anything sinister about his death or so.

And even if he was so right? Why didn't they kill him on Sept 12? or before September 11?

Now wait... The NWO/ the illuminati just had to wait for Winter to come right? Maybe it has something to do with satanic rituals? You know.. some kind of date that is dear to the devil or so?`Surely you too believe that our elite Slavemasters worship the devil, just as your hero Cooper does??

And for that matter. As someone else noted, Alex Jones plagiarized the "prediction" - why isn't he dead? By your logic - which can be summed up in the follwoing way - post hoc ergo propter hoc - Alex should be dead by now.

[Make7]

10. kick ( n/t )

[defendandprotect]

14. Thanks . . . I'd heard this and read briefly the oddity of his arrest, was it???

Over the years, I'd read a considerable part of his book --

He was right there on this prediction . . .

Agree with his main thesis in his book -- but some of the stuff is slightly

off. As President Carter and President Clinton found out, information about

ET's/UFO requires higher security classification than either one of them had!!!

It's classified higher than the atomic bomb!!!

[Democracyinkind]

18. It was SO top secret even Clinton didn't know about. But the NAVINT clerk Cooper KNEW EVERYTHING?LOL

[defendandprotect]

19. Cooper predicted 9/11 and Bin Laden . . .

obviously, you missed that bit of info which is the subject of the thread!

And, evidently you have evidence counter to what President Clinton and President

Carter have told us? They were both denied access to info on UFO's ...

Carter was told by Poppy Bush, head of CIA at the time that he didn't have a

"need to know" - wasn't cleared to see the info. Clinton the same.

In other words, the CIA is running the show.

However Cooper has gotten information -- and no one said he knew "everything" about

anything -- but 9/11 OBL is just another indication he obviously has a large part of it.

[Democracyinkind]

20. FOR FUCKS SAKE! He didn't predict 9/11 he reported on an interview Peter Arnett did with Bin Laden

Come on, please. The fact still stands that in your version of reality President Clinton and Carter (who weren't allowed to know anything) knew les as presidents about UFO's than Bill Cooper who was a low level SIGINT clerk? Look, I know Cooper pretty well, I got his books so I know that all he does is peddle bullshit - illuminati, protocols of the elders of zion, iron mountain - he is a promoter of the dumbest hoaxes .. yet you are telling me he learned more about UFOS while handling communications than the president would have ? lol..yeah right..

Mystery Babylon - religious right fringe batshit stuff. By the way, he doesn't even know ancient history, he just pulled stuff out of his ass about "priests and kings" .... - and do you remember how he peddled the zapruder film and told us that it is clearly visible that the driver shot Kennedy?

Come on. I'm always baffled by Lefties who believe in right wing shit.

I heard of those stories about Carter and Clinton too, but they are just that, stories. I think with Clinton it wasn't even him who said it - didn't he ask someone to investigate and the guy came back saying something along the lines of we'll never know? Well anyway - this is off thread.

BILL COOPER DID NOT PREDICT 9/11. He reported on an interview Peter Arnett did with Bin Laden and b/c he had no clue who Arnett was he just supposed that Arnett "walked around Afghanistan with a Camera and walked in on Bin Laden" -... Cooper was too ignorant to know that Arnett was the first Western Journalist to interview BIn Laden in the 90's and that he had contacts to OBL ever since that time, he was often given AQ comminuqués and stuff, and in 2001 went for the famous interview. SO IT WAS NOT LIKE COOPER PUT IT: ARNETT DIDN'T SEARCH AND FIND BIN LADEN; ARNETT HAD AQ CONTACTS WHO PUT HIM IN TOUCH WITH OBL..... So stop confusing things.
Cooper found it so fishy that a western journalist could "find/locate" OBL that he went off on some kind of unspecific, "now with that, ladies and gentleman, prepare yourself for an attack, somewhere, in the next few months, that will be blamed on OBL while it is our government whose going to do it."

yeah right. The funny thing with you guys - in your reality everything is "COOPER PREDICTED 9/11" - but you never care to look at what's behind those catch phrases.

And again, off topic: I have no problem believing that there are tons of things that presidents aren't told about - but to believe that the knowledge is kept from them is freely available to Navy SIGINT clerks is so stupid I can't even make up an adjective for it.

[Democracyinkind]

23. Democracyinkind, you STUPID fuck . You mixxed up some stuff there.

SO, answering your UFO stuff got me all worked up and I mixed up some stuff. The Peter Arnett interview was in 1997, I got all confused - it was Alex Jones who cited the 1997 as "evidence" that OBL was a CIA stooge. So forget what I posted above.

On the other hand - the story is pretty much the same. I was writing a paper in 2001 on logical fallacies and their importance for conspirational views of history, and I remember using Cooper/OBL as a prominent example. But I am at work now, so I don't have the links to show you that "finding bin laden" in 2001 wasn't all that difficult for someone who had connections to AQ's PR bureau. Actually, you can just switch "Peter Arnett" for the other journalists name in the above post - nothing sinister about finding bin laden when he wants to make an announcement.

And this is from memory just now, but I believe that the journalist who did the interview did a pretty good job in explaining how he made contact with AQ and how they met him and drove him out to OBL - so Cooper was lying when he said they "walked in on OBL". If you're truly interested in the details and in the nonnefarious character of the whole thing, mail me and I'll mine my links for the relevant information once I got the time. And, if memory serves me right, they were talking about a timeframe of weeks, not months. I seem to remember the "2 week" timeline with the june 23 interview.
Anyway, that's the correction to my above post. It wasn't Arnett. Still, the story stays the same, no accurate prediction or accurate depiction on what he was reporting or on what was supposedly going to happen.


How come the dungeon is filled mainly with right wing memes or Liberatarian/Larougian batshit never fails to baffle me. One would think that as an independent political branch we should have our own CT's by now.