Can someone show me any plane debris in the WTC gashes?

[Blocked]

If two 767 crashed into the towers, surely there would be some plane debris still visible around the gash marks.

[LARED]

1. Are you a no planer? nt

[Sweet Pea]

2. Surely?

What aerodynamic principle are you invoking with your assertion that "surely" there would be some plane debris visible?

The 180,000 lb aircraft were traveling at many hundreds of miles per hour, had a thin facade of steel supports and glass to penetrate with nothing after that but cubicle walls and desks and such until it hit the core or exited out the opposite corner of the building.

Again, what principle are you thinking of where "surely" there would be plane debris visible?

[jberryhill]

3. If there were no planes, surely there would not be the gash marks...

...and stop calling me "Shirley".

[Flatulo]

4. Probably nothing that can be seen from the distances that pictures were shot.

However, the NIST report did contain this photo... scroll down to about page 32. It's an airplane wheel embedded in a section of perimeter column spandrel that fell into the street.

http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixh.pdf

[Bolo Boffin]

24. So evidently, this picture of an airplane wheel embedded in a perimeter column isn't good enough

"But it's on da ground!" :eyes:

[SDuderstadt]

5. Consider the irony of demanding pictures of aircraft debris in the gashes which....

were obviously caused by aircraft. Oy.

[vincent_vega_lives]

6. None in visible in the "gash marks"

You make it sound like somone stubbed their toe.

There was plenty of aircrft debris scattered on the NY streets.

There was also the gentlemen who just missed being hit by the plane.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

7. "There was plenty of aircrft debris scattered on the NY streets."

:rofl:

Whatever you say, Vince.

[vincent_vega_lives]

10. Huh, funny

I would've thought that somone of your intrest level in the subject would have seen the photos and wouldnt be making ignorant accusations.

But then Im not surprised.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

12. 19 Arabs with box cutters, right Vince?

[vincent_vega_lives]

14. Yes that is correct

why is that so hard to belive? Remember the boxcutters were backed up by "bombs" and flight training. Some also underwent H2H combat training. Exactly what more would you need?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

21. It's so hard to believe because the...

...evidence does not support it -- it's a fairytale.

[vincent_vega_lives]

27. Which evidence?

you refer to evidence that fits the world view of folks like yourself. That's the problem. THERE IS NONE.

The "evidence" is hatred of GWB. And an ability to fill in gaps with imaginary "evidence", or worse, make shit up.

[vincent_vega_lives]

17. callin me a liar?

Thats pretty pathetic.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/aircraftpartsnyc911

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

20. Pathetic, is what your trying to pass for...

...evidence of WTC plane debris.

[vincent_vega_lives]

28. WTF would you call it? (n/t)

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

31. Those pieces of wreckage were planted.

You tell me how an aluminum aircraft just melts into a steel and concrete building without any discernible crumbling, bending, or shearing of wings or stabilizer -- ONLY in a cartoon, Vince. That wreckage would've been all over the streets near the base of the towers. There was NONE.

[vincent_vega_lives]

33. What evidence do you have that they were planted?

No "melting" involved. The fucking plane was shredded.

You have divested from reality. Good luck.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

36. The placement of it was the most obvious giveaway.

[Realityhack]

43. What is wrong with that placement?

First off your image is only placing 4 pieces out of hundreds upon hundreds.

But what is your issue with their placement?

[Flatulo]

30. Vince, you'd have more luck trying to reason with a rock.

wait for it... wait for it... wait... any second now...

Mr_Jefferson_24: This is about what I'd expect from a founding member of the nuisance/distraction/spam brigade.

I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard this one.

[Ghost in the Machine]

8. No, but here's a *person* standing in the gash

Notice how small the fires are in the area?

[vincent_vega_lives]

15. I also noticed lots of *persons* NOT standing there

but choosing to jump to the street below.

BTW people don't jump to their death because of smoke.

[Ghost in the Machine]

32. Please point out one, just *ONE*, person jumping in that picture...

Also, please point out any heavy fire.. or smoke, for that matter. Thanks...

Although we may never know, I have a feeling that some people may have jumped because they had already been burned and were in horrible pain. Maybe they thought there was no chance of rescue for themselves, so they decided to end their pain. Again, that's just a feeling I have, no proof or anything else, but it makes sense. I can't imagine the horror of deciding to jump from a building like that, but I know if it was me, I'd probably be dead of a heart attack before I hit the ground.

[vincent_vega_lives]

34. There are plenty of photos not showing anyone jumping

what's your point. There are plenty of photos showing signicant fire too.

I doubt anyone would die from a heart attack from the jump.

[Ghost in the Machine]

35. "I doubt anyone would die from a heart attack from the jump."

Your personal incredulity doesn't matter here, vincent.

When I was a teenager, I had a friend who was riding a dirtbike. he couldn't stop while coming down a side gravel road and shot out into the highway in front of a car. Seeing the car coming at him, his heart stopped. The medical examiner said he had a heart attack and was dead before the car even hit him... I know, my personal anecdote doesn't really matter either, but it shows your assertion to be mistaken.

As for there being "plenty of photos not showing anyone jumping", do you NOT realize how utterly stupid that sounds? Hey, I can show you a million photos of with me not in them. Does that mean I don't exist?

I asked you, specifically, to point out someone jumpimg in the photo I provided.

Thanks...

Ghost

[vincent_vega_lives]

38. Ghost, ghost...

1. it's possible your friend had a bad heart. It's rare but teens have been known to drop dead on the sports pitch. The point being is most people die when they hit the ground.

2. There is no one jumping in the photo you provided. It is a still photo consisting of a fraction of a second of time. I mentioned the photos not showing jumping as how ridiculous your request is.

[Blocked]

9. Amazing that 2 giant 767's crashed into the Twin Towers and...

absolutely NO debris of themselves remain at the entry points of where they supposedly crashed. Amazing.

But not amazing if no planes crashed there. It would be EXPECTED.

[SDuderstadt]

13. Someone already linked to the picture of one of the building sections with...

an aircraft wheel imbeeded in it. Explain that.

[vincent_vega_lives]

19. Perhaps one of the executives working in the building

was an ex airline pilot and kept it on his desk as a moment-o?

[vincent_vega_lives]

16. Why in gods name would debris be haning out of the hole?

You have heard of physics right? That "debris" was still traveling at 600 feet per second.

[SDuderstadt]

37. This is one of the most illogical comments from a "truther" I've ever seen...

it actually defies belief.

[balantz]

11. Scroll about 1/3 down on this page

and you won't even see a gash, even though the "wing" had already "passed through".

http://www.nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=morgan_booted

[vincent_vega_lives]

18. Holy shit what a who's who of mental illness

A whole page of ranting self obsession. No-planers attacking planers.

The land of 9/11 is treacherous and the latest tremor was that Gerard Holmgren, a pioneer "no planer" and debater extraordinaire, broke the stunning news that I am "a plane hugger who is pretending to be a no plane proponent."

:wtf:

Here we have scientific equations at their finest:

Obviously the physics about plane break-up would apply to any airplane. Every argument and proof for NBB is identical for all planes (NPT) except the big plane/small hole argument need not apply to small planes. In terms of an equation we have:
NPT = NBB – UH
Or
NBB = NPT + UH
Where
NPT = proof for no plane theory
NBB = proof for no big Boeing
UH = undersized hole relative to airliner

This guy has himself throughly convinced in his physics model.

What about the belief that fragile objects with sufficient speed penetrate massive, hard objects, e.g., tornados allegedly driving straws into trees? This can happen because "intense winds can bend a tree or other objects, creating cracks in which debris (e.g., hay straw) becomes lodged before the tree straightens and the crack tightens shut again."

back to your clam. The hole is there. a video capture is not real life. People's skin doesnt blurr when they move in real life either.

[LARED]

22. Amazing, isn't it. - nt

[balantz]

23. I was wondering when you guys would get here.

Thanks for keeping this thread up so people can check this out for themselves.

[LARED]

25. Happy to oblige. It's important that people get to see

the lameness of CTism.

[vincent_vega_lives]

26. You are correct

Every "No Planer" should check out that site you posted.

[balantz]

29. I'm sure you have seen from that one "gash"

where the intact nose comes out the other side of the building.

[Sweet Pea]

40. If someone is dumb enough....

to think that is the "nose" coming through that building unscathed, there is no hope for them...none whatsoever.

[balantz]

41. Of course it didn't come through the building,

yet interestingly the pixels and shapes match up. the nose before the tower and nose after the tower match exactly. So evidently there is another logical explanation.

[Laurier]

39. Oh, my. Another "no planer" in the conspiracy fantasist crew.

Keep 'em coming.

[Name removed]

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