PressTV (Iran) Zogby poll: 42% of Americans believe Washington knew

[JackRiddler]

Okay, somehow I missed this until today so if it's been done before, um, sue me.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=22746§ionid=3510203

Poll: US gov't knew about 9/11 attacks
Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:20:11


A new poll indicates that some 43 percent of Americans believe that Washington knew about the 9/11 attacks but did nothing to stop them.

According to the Press TV-Zogby International poll, 42.5 percent of the respondents believed that the Bush Administration knew about the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center but did nothing to prevent the attacks.

Only 37.5 percent of the respondents strongly disagreed with the idea and 4.5 percent neither agreed nor disagreed with it. Among the members of the armed forces who participated in the poll nearly 44 percent said that the US government had known about the plans for 9/11 attacks with 37.2 strongly disagreeing with it.

The poll also indicates that a majority of Americans (56.3 percent), including the members of US armed forces, support the idea that the Bush Administration used the September 11 attacks as an excuse to push ahead with its own agenda, particularly in the Middle East and only 27.1 percent of respondents disagreed with it.

Some 1006 people across the US were questioned by pollsters and the margin of error was +/- 3.2.

RE/RE

[nebula]

1. LI/MIHOP

for all intents and purposes, there really isn't any difference between the two; moral or otherwise.

[jberryhill]

2. "knew about the 9/11 attacks but did nothing to stop them"

Should I interpret that as 43% believing that these were "attacks" that "Washington" was in a position to stop? Because that statement does not seem consistent with the proposition that Washington conducted the attacks.

Truth is so confusing.

[JackRiddler]

5. Has nothing to do with "truth"

Has everything to do with eliminating the idea that 9/11 skepticism is "fringe."

Combine that 42 with the 57 who think 9/11 was exploited to put in an agenda, and you likely have tens of millions at least suspecting it was allowed or facilitated for that agenda.

[jberryhill]

7. Well duh

anyone who does not see that 9/11 was used to facilitate a pre-existing agenda is brain damaged.

That such furtherance required thermite is idiocy.

[JackRiddler]

8. Who was the first to mention thermite in this thread?

[greyl]

11. Look at the sig pic in reply numero uno. nt

[JackRiddler]

12. sig pic no count - also, read reply numero uno. nt

[jberryhill]

14. Oops..

Sorry, I made the mistake of following one of the links in your signature.

I forgot you don't actually believe the stuff about which the Google rank is important to you.

No, I don't expect the master of ambiguity to do much more than clear his throat and wink now and again.

(say, is that Shakespeare or Marlowe in your avatar?)

[CrawlingChaos]

3. surprised it's not higher

As high as that number is, I'd have guessed it to be more like 60% (maybe if it were conducted today, it would be higher). In everyday life, I'm finding it harder to find people who disagree with me. When I bring it up the subject these days, I instinctively brace myself for a round of Bill-Clinton-style "How dare you"s, but it just isn't happening much anymore. Even people who are initially loath to go beyond LIHOP (although I agree with the poster above who said LIHOP & MIHOP are equally heinous crimes), are usually willing to admit the extreme likelihood of MIHOP once the conversation comes around to WTC 7.

The really surprising figure in that poll is that only 56.3% of American believe the Bush Administration used the September 11 attacks as an excuse to push ahead with its own agenda. What the....? I would have expected that to be more like 95%!

[William Seger]

4. Another interesting poll

41% believe in ghosts, 35% believe in UFOs, 31% believe in witches, 29% believe in astrology, and 21% believe in reincarnation: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20071129005072&newsLang=en

About 42% believe in evolution, so according to the polls, evolution, ghosts and LIHOP are now equally credible theories.

[JackRiddler]

6. It does suggest one should be more circumspect about hurling the insults, no?

Also, consider those who try the "how dare you!" dodge, or who invoke the victims' families (of whom many now believe in inside job) as a reason not to question the official story. Shouldn't they abandon this kind of rhetoric?

Note that the U.S. media are not as averse in covering these other beliefs -- even in examining them as propositions, rather than only psychologizing about why peole think such things. So why not the idea of false flag attacks? A case of reincarnation has never been established by court standards. Gladio was, there were convictions. Or by the standards of historical scholarship, as is the case with many such incidents.

And as for UFOs: What, don't you don't believe there are unidentified flying objects? (There's one that needs a terminological clarification, no?)

[William Seger]

9. Not necessarily

Even though the majority of Americans believe in the Biblical story of creation, I'm not particularly "circumspect about hurling the insults" at the ones who want that taught in schools. Clinton didn't say "How dare you!" to someone asking "Was 9/11 an inside job?" It was directed at those yelling "9/11 was an inside job!" Perhaps the distinction is too subtle to you?

Yes, I've seen several "UFOs" myself, but I think the idiom has come to represent more than the literal meaning of the individual words, so I'd presume the poll is a reasonable measure of how many people believe that Earth is being visited by aliens.

And depending on how the question was phrased, you could put me in the column of those who believe that US intelligence knew that such an attack was being contemplated and was likely to happen sooner or later, but the government did nothing effective to prevent it. Put me in the column of those who would like to know the truth about that, too. Where we seem to disagree is that I think running around shouting "9/11 was an inside job!" and basing the assertion on total bullshit makes it much harder to get at the serious 9/11 questions.

[SDuderstadt]

10. Excellent post, B.S....er, W.S!

I couldn't agree more!

[JackRiddler]

13. Actually, we don't disagree about that.

"Where we seem to disagree is that I think running around shouting '9/11 was an inside job!' and basing the assertion on total bullshit makes it much harder to get at the serious 9/11 questions."

Nope. I agree.

But should they be the primary issue?

Aren't the open questions of September 11 that you yourself mention a much more important matter? Do we disagree, after the latest round of reports about the 9/11 Commission, that this transformative, agenda-driving event has yet to be subjected to a proper investigation empowered to examine the evidence withheld from us? My idea of "big tent" would not be to agree with everything said by self-proclaimed truthers, but a coalition of all who want full disclosure.