Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77

[Emillereid]

I posted this on general discussion, but it probably belongs here:

A friend of mine sent me this link. I was going to post at the 9/11 discussion board but I can't find it. I haven't seen or heard this before. Has anyone?
This is the link to part 1. The link to part 2 is below:

By Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D

I am an ex Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private practice in New Orleans, a Christian and homeschool dad. It troubled me a great deal that we rushed off to war on the flimsiest of evidence. I considered various ways to provide a smoking gun of who and why Sept 11th happened. Astute observers noticed right away that there were no Arabic sounding names on any of the flight manifests of the planes that “crashed” on that day.


A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence, but an autopsy by a pathologist, is. I undertook by FOIA request, to obtain that autopsy list and you are invited to view it below. Guess what? Still no Arabs on the list. It is my opinion that the monsters who planned this crime made a mistake by not including Arabic names on the original list to make the ruse seem more believable.

When airline disasters occur, airlines will routinely provide a manifest list for anxious families. You may have noticed that even before Sep 11th, that airlines are pretty meticulous about getting an accurate headcount before takeoff. It seems very unlikely to me, that five Arabs sneaked onto a flight with weapons.
This is the list provided by American of the 56 passengers:



On September 27th, the FBI published photos of the “hijackers” of Flight 77:


Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), does a miraculous job and identified nearly all the bodies on November 16th 2001.


The AFIP suggest these numbers; 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were “passengers” on the plane. The AA list only had 56 and the list just obtained has 58. They did not explain how they were able to tell “victims” bodies from “hijacker” bodies. In fact, from the beginning NO explanation has been given for the extra five suggested in news reports except that the FBI showed us the pictures to make up the difference, and that makes it so. ......
http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm

No Arabs on Flight 77:
Part II -The Passengers





By Thomas R Olmsted, M.D.




<snip>


In part I of No Arabs on Flight 77, I presented evidence from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), that there were no Arabs on American Airlines Flight 77. This doesn’t really jibe with the official story, so someone isn’t telling the truth. This list itself is suspect because there is a special group of “bone guys” that are called in whenever the government needs an “adjustment” to their story.



About "bone guys": No, we're not talking folks that hang around secret Ivy League fraternaties. On May 31, 2002, the Washington Post had this to say about 'bone guys':



"...When remains of the Waco dead or 9/11 Pentagon victims or Desert Storm casualties -- or most recently Chandra Levy -- need to be studied, the bone guys at the Smithsonian are called in. The bone guys read skeletons like intricate topological maps. Sometimes they can make identification from a skull fragment the size of a quarter. They can read race in the teeth and gender in the brow. They can tell you who had an asymmetric nose. They can tell you who may have been a factory worker, because bones grow more pronounced to accommodate certain muscles, and who may have been a weaver or a tailor, based on grooves in the teeth where thread was held...."



In other words, these were the fellows who helped tidy up the government’s story at Waco and are “studying” the Sept 11th remains as well.

http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/07/article_tro_flight77.htm

[punpirate]

1. For the record, the story originated...

... from Sierra Times, and there's been no independent verification of this person's existence or expertise. I wish someone would investigate, because this would be valuable, if he'd actually been involved in analyzing autopsy info or doing autopsies (something I doubt since a psychiatrist would be unlikely to have been trained in forensics).

Think this one is a red herring, guys. Unnecessary mention of Waco sort of puts me on edge on this.

Cheers.

[Emillereid]

2. The only mention of Waco was in discussing what 'Bones' do

The guy also clearly doesn't like our invasion of Iraq. He's a psychiatrist yes, which is an MD but more importantly he's an ex-Naval officer. Email the guy and query him on his credentials.

[punpirate]

3. No, I don't need to email him....

The press needs to do that.

If he has no relationship to 9/11 or directly to the autopsy data of Flight 77, then he's another speculator, whether he's an MD or not. There are standards here which, if followed, would induce some sense of the person's credibility, which have not been met.

What counts these days is evidence. I see no evidence here. No autopsy results or analysis of those results. I've seen all the airline passenger lists, and everyone of them have been scrubbed of Arabic names before release, not just that of Flight 77. That does not mean there weren't Arabs on those lists initially and certainly does not mean there were no Arabs on the aircraft at all.

Hard evidence walks. The rest is just talk.

Don't mean to be severe here, but everyone with a tin foil hat gloms onto this sort of thing without ever asking, "where's the real evidence, like copies of the actual autopsy reports?"

Saying there were no Arabs on the planes plays into the current wild-assed theory that all the planes were remote-controlled to their targets. Not impossible, but not likely.

Sometimes, the most cogent explanation is the most obvious (i.e., that the Arabic names were removed from the manifests for "security reasons" before release).

On edit, I should add that this same group does autopsies on, for example, unidentifiable remains of US troops killed in combat. Why not use that as an example of what the group does? The fact that Waco is included, rather than some other more mainstream example of what the forensics people do, tells me there's an agenda behind this story. That's all. It makes me suspicious, because of the mention.

Cheers.

[papau]

4. No bones of folks born in the mid-east? - a talk show idea only

I can not see this as advancing any arguement - it only raises questions in those that do not see a conspiracy behind all the government does.

I'll stick with greed and stupid and greed as the Bush motivators - and not enough smarts to set up a blame Arabs who really were not there game (besides why make the game so hard).

[RH]

5. Do not be fooled.

:eyes:

The list that Olmsted has is clearly enough not "the people o­n Flight 77", as he falsely purports.

He himself supplies a facsimile of the covering letter to him:




It refers to "bodies identified", not to any total of people o­n Flight 77.

Please also note that the list provided to Olmsted does
not include three year old Dana Falkenburg, known to have been aboard
the B757 but whose remains were not positively identified.

It could not possibly therefore pretend to be a complete list of all aboard the plane.

He also falsely puports that "The new names are: Robert Ploger, Zandra Ploger, and Sandra Teague."

These names were indeed absent from some of the earlier versions of passenger lists but that would presumably be because their next of kin had not yet been informed, which would also be the reason why hijackers' names also failed thus to appear.

However, anybody with some time to spend on google.com may easily enough ascertain that the same names were published o­n later lists thus already visible in September 2001.

[Dancing_Dave]

6. Critics need to read the whole articles, not just the quotes here.

I've seen these two articles in their entirety at Rense.com and elsewhere (Rense maily mirrors things to bring them to a much larger audience than more specialized or academic sites) Sierra Times is another general interest site, but it is just now begining to publish some real 9/11 investigative pieces. Actually, Olmsted has good answers to all the criticims here, even noting the point about little Dana Falkner. He actually brings forward a lot of strong evidence, and it matches up with many other peoples strong arguments that the FBI did not have any evidence that would stand up in court, to show that the 19 men accused even got on the planes! It's no wonder the Bush Administration has needed to effectively change the constitution, replacing fair open trials with closed military "tribunals". If they had to make their arguments in real court cases, we'd all see they do not have the evidence to legally prove that the people they accuse causing all the disasters on 9/11, even hijacked any planes that day!

How well has the Bush Administration really done at bringing anyone involved in causing the 9/11 disaster to Justice? They claim that Osama Bin Ladin masterminded it all, but it seems that they just can't find him. After several decades of the Bush and Bin Ladin families doing buisness together, you would think they would get enough of a clue that they wouldn't have to kill thousands of people in Afghanistan and poison the evironment for many generations to come, and really come up with nothing to solve the 9/11 case. But of course, they really had entirely different personal buisness reasons for invading Afghanistan, and they had it all planned before 9/11. It's even more obvious that the Bush Regime's disasterous hidden agenda in invading Iraq, had nothing to do with their stated war propaganda. If they did find Osama Bin Ladin, and were somehow compelled to give him an open trial, the Bush Administration would have just enough rope to hang themselves with.

[Zuni]

7. good detective work

even if they found all the bodies, it would be utterly impossible to tell if the person was an Arab or not.

These conspiracy theories are getting loonier and loonier.

[Dancing_Dave]

8. You can indentify an alleged hijacker as well as anyone else

The question here is whether there is any forensic evidence for the FBI's quick accusation about who took control of the planes. No such evidence turned up here. Indeed, no evidence showed up to prove they got on the planes at all, and there isn't any such evidence in security camera videos of all the passengers who got on the planes. Arabs, like anyone else legally presumed innocent until proven guilty. People who's minds are open and unprejudiced enough to uphold the Constitution and the civil right to a fair open trial, don't have a problem with that.

Dr. Olmsted also did some interesting research about who WAS identified as being on that plane. This is all good criminology.