Air America's Sheldon Drobny sees 9/11 "inside help"

[reprehensor]

Dear Al Franken, Rachel Maddow, Sam Seder, etc...

You don't have to leave Randi and Malloy hanging out on a limb anymore. Even the co-founder of your network "gets it";

I really enjoy Countdown with Keith Olbermann. However, yesterday he had Gerald Posner as a guest to evaluate the recently released NORAD tapes on 9/11. Posner's conclusion was that the audio communications with NORAD proves that this was all about massive incompetence and had nothing to do with any conspiracy. The tapes clearly showed that everyone was confused and tardy in their responses to the 4 hijackings and that Bush did not give the "shoot down" order until all the airplanes had crashed...

...I am a forensic accountant who is trained to "connect dots." Forensic work is always part science and part instinct. The ones with the good instincts evaluating empirical data are the best forensic professionals. People who are in forensic work can only be good if they can be objective about the failure of apparent human instincts such as the perception that the earth is flat. Proving the earth was round was counterintuitive to our instincts, but proven by science.

All you have to do is read PNAC, The Project For The New American Century. The writings of the neo-cons in the late 90s conform to the events on 9/11 and the necessity of a second "Pearl Harbor" to rally the American people to support the PNAC plan. Having reviewed the inconsistencies and contradictions of reports on 9/11, I have concluded that the 19 hijackers were really part of what they believed to be an Al-Qaeda funded operation. All 19 sincerely believed in what they were doing and the operation probably was funded by a real terrorist group. However, given the remarkable incompetence of the intelligence agencies and our air defense system, I have concluded that the 19 hijackers had inside help...

...The portrayal of the people on the hijacked planes making cellular phone calls is also a lie. It is impossible to make a private cell phone call when in flight. Try it some time if you don't believe me. And there is a myriad of evidence that leads a sensible conclusion that the hijackers had help from the inside and the trail of those who helped should be those who would have benefited...

"Wake up." - Randi Rhodes.

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1. "So yeah we made the decision to pull em"

"Somebody better shut this guy up".

[chimpymustgo]

2. Posner is a TOOL - wrote a book confirming the JFK"single-bullet" bullshit

Also, blamed Clinton for 9-11.

[orwell]

10. I went to High School with him...

...and yes he is a tool, was then, is now.

The fact that he has any cred now is laughable to those who knew him then. The guy was a self-important pro at arguing any side of any issue. That's why he was president of the debate society.

[Bjornsdotter]

12. I'm so sorry

That you actually know the putz, my condolences.

Cheers

[jimshoes]

3. Posner has sold even more

doorstops and couch levelers than even Ann Coulter. Nobody takes him seriously do they?

[davidwparker]

4. I've moved to the conclusion that it was an all inside job and the

pictures of the 19 are dupes like Oswald was a dupe. (How many of them have been interviewed by the BBC since 9/11?) The scheduling of the war-game and 9/11 were not a coincidence, but to create the level of confusion that it did. It was smoke screen to allow it to happen.

It was used to get to the Middle East the same way the missing Israelis were used for Israel/USA to get to Lebanon.

[SeattleGirl]

5. One thing I have a problem with is that the cell phone calls

"are a lie." Well, there are many, many things that bother me about that day. Was it LIHOP? MIHOP? Gross incompetency? I don't know, and because so much has been covered up, we human beings are going to do our damned best to fill in the blank. But to pick just one of the many things that people have said about that day, this is the second time in just a few day that someone has made the pronouncement that the cell phone calls were a lie. So, in order for that to be true, that means that there had to be a room full of actors somewhere, making calls to people's friends and relatives. Which means that they had to have copies of the flight manifests, plus home and office phone numbers, and know some very personal information about the people calling and the people being called. (And yes, with the spying capabilities of the government, no doubt they could get a lot of info). But it just stretches things too much for me to believe that the calls were fake. I hear the pronouncement that the calls were a lie, that it is imposible to make calls from the air on a cell phone, but no one so far has explained why that is so. (If someone knows, I'd appreciate the information).

I do believe there were many, many things that went wrong that way. And based on the August 6th PDB, of COURSE Bush and Co. knew that something was likely going to happen. And of course, they didn't do anything to prevent it. I am not one to take everything (or much of anything) the government says at face value -- especially THIS government -- but I'm also not so gullible that I will take anything anyone say from the other side of the coin without also questioning that. As I said, there was so much coverup -- and there is STILL so much coverup -- that people are going to fill in the blanks, because we have a need to make sense of the senseless. We have a need for order, and 9/11 was so fucked up that we still can't get our minds around it.

Theories -- conspiratorial or otherwise -- are interesting, and all may contain a grain or more of truth. But again, I cannot just take something as gospel, regardless of the source. I have to keep questioning, and if someone is going to make some type of pronouncement regarding that day, they'd better be able to back it up with objective information. Much as I hate this administration, and much as I do think there was at least SOME degree of incompetence (if not outright neglect) that day, hate is not a basis for accepting something someone says.

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6. I buy the cell phone calls in that they were at low altitude.

At that point cell phones must have been out.

[reprehensor]

7. I think Drobny could have skipped that.

But he obviously believes it, so he wrote it.

Please consider that some of the "war games" going on that day involved "injects" to simulate hijacking. There is no doubt that when conducting these "terror drills", the military goes to great lengths to simulate a "real world" situation.

I don't think it's impossible that some of the calls could have been complete fabrications... however, because the 9/11 Commission was so useless, we just don't know. In the 5 years since 9/11, it's likely that hoards of data has been destroyed (like the Terabytes of ABLE DANGER info) and therefore much incriminating evidence.

I've always found Mark Bingham's call to his mom strange, "Mom, this is Mark Bingham..." Also, on alleged Passenger Lists recently posted on the internet, his name is missing off the list.

I think the 9/11 Commission is a bigger Whitewash than the Warren Commission.

Thanks to Cynthia McKinney, we have got some great criticism in the Congressional Record about it;
http://www.gnn.tv/B12001

[SeattleGirl]

11. So it might be possible that the cell phone calls may have

been done as part of the military exercise going on that day? Hmmm, interesting.

I hope I was clear that I was not dismissing Drobney's assertion out of hand; as I said, I am not going to swallow whole something someone says if they cannot back it up. That is what I find most disturbing and doubtful about Drobney's proclimation: no backup to support what he says. Having said that though, you are correct, the 9/11 Commission was useless. Instead of clearing things up, all it did was muddy the water even further, which may have been the goal, but the more things are muddied, the more they are covered up, the more people are going to come up with theories, well-based or not. This really is no different than the Warren Commission and the mess that was the Kennedy assisination. To much mud in the water, to many unanswered questions, and over 40 years after it happened, the conspiracy theories are alive and well and going strong.

Regarding Bingham's call, I agree with you. It was a bit strange that he would call his mother and identify himself by his first AND his last name. The only thing I can think of that could explain that (if indeed he made the call) was extreme stress. Otherwise, I can't think of why he would identify himself the way he did. When I call my mom, I don't even say, "Hey, this is _____". I just say "Hi, mom". She knows my voice; I don't have to identify myself.

And thank for the link for the gnn site. I'll have to check that out.

[John Q. Citizen]

14. Yes, the "mom" part is a huge tip off to the person receiving the call.

Have you seen loose change 2nd edition? Their hypothesis is that voice/computer technology can now recreated speech/voice patterns and tones of anyone from a small sample of the persons actual voice.

Also, some calls were made on air phone apparently which doesn't have the problems of cell phone communications in flight.

If you haven't seen Loose Change, I highly recommend it. It's a riveting and very informative video.

Most of it is documentary footage of MSM news casts and interviews.

[Ice4Clark]

8. I found this some time ago regarding cell phones on planes.

Given the prevailing technology in September 2001, it was extremely difficult, if not impossible, to place a wireless cell call from an aircraft traveling at high speed above 8000 feet:

"Wireless communications networks weren't designed for ground-to-air communication. Cellular experts privately admit that they're surprised the calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they lasted as long as they did. They speculate that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground.

Expert opinion within the wireless telecom industry casts serious doubt on "the findings" of the 9/11 Commission.

Alexa Graf, AT&T spokesperson, said systems are not designed for calls from high altitudes, suggesting it was almost a fluke that the calls reached their destinations.

“On land, we have antenna sectors that point in three directions — say north, southwest, and southeast,” she explained. “Those signals are radiating across the land, and those signals do go up, too, due to leakage.”

"it was almost a fluke that the <9/11> calls reached their destinations... From high altitudes, the call quality is not very good, and most callers will experience drops. Although calls are not reliable, callers can pick up and hold calls for a little while below a certain altitude"

[LSK]

9. I dream of Chairman Conyers subpeaning those Cell records in a hearing

Just another reason that we need back the house.

Oh what those hearings can really be!!!

[SeattleGirl]

13. Thank you so much for this information.

That's all I wanted Drobney to do. Yes, it may indeed have been possible for the calls to have gone through, or maybe the plane was flying lower than reported (or assumed). I know that sometimes I can't get service here on the ground because a cell tower may be blocked by a hill or mountain or building.

Well, again, all the 9/11 Commission and the US Gov't did was muddy the waters further. If they think that doing that was going to make everything go away, make people shut up and stop questioning, they really do not understand human nature, do they?

Thanks again for the info.