In latest ceasefire move, Hamas threatens kidnappings

[drdon326]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull%26cid=1058069120983

Hamas threatened to begin a campaign of kidnapping soldiers in order to exchange them for Israeli-held Palestinians, Israel Radio reported.

The Hamas announcement comes while a hunt continues for missing taxi driver Eliyahu Goral, who disappeared Friday night.

Prime Minister Sharon has stated that Israel will continue to release more Palestinian security prisoners.

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ok....so then they would be

lying,extorting,kidnapping murderous terrorists.

didnt someone here call them "heroes" a couple of
days ago??

[Herschel]

1. Kidnappings are a ceasefire move?

Oh, my.

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[Aaron]

3. Is that a picture of MLK next to your post? (n/t)

[Muddleoftheroad]

6. Yes

And he never had to deal with Hamas...

I grew up with stories of what the KKK did to family and friends and they were rank amateurs in many ways by comparison.

[Aaron]

8. I grew up with stories of what the Nazi's did to part of my family

and heard of immigration by other family members to avoid starvation in Ireland. So much suffering. Sometimes I wonder if there is anyone who doesn't have such in some part of their family.

[Jackie97]

13. Hamas understands alright.

Everytime a member is killed, they normally "retaliate" by killing an Israeli civilian.

[wellst0nev0ter]

4. I Think The FACT That HAMAS Don't Exactly Fear Death

And that with every violent incursion HAMAS only grows in strength your idea is likely to be a fool's errand.

[NoSurrender]

5. Reprisals?

That is, ironicaly, almost word for word the exact method the SS put into use against the French Resistance early in the war.

Are you really insinuating that a nation with even the slightest moral conscience drop to that level?

Will stooping to the same level as an extremist group of terrorists win any significant battle, either militarily or politicaly?

Wouldn't that be more or less the same as carrying out reprisal executions at Guantanamo for every Al Quaeda linked attack?

[Muddleoftheroad]

7. Notice

I said reprisals exclusively against Hamas, not against a civilian population or anyone else. There is a HUGE difference. Hamas is a terror group. Israel could easily make it a crime resulting in death to belong to such a group.

[The Magistrate]

10. Your Proposal, Mr. Muddle

While understandable on an emotional level, cannot be seriously meant as a suggestion for policy. Things have passed on beyond the methods of frightfulness, and on balance that must be considered to the good of all. Frightfulness, after all, works only when applied wholesale over great periods of time: to attempt half-measures in that line combines the worst elements of crime and futility into a truely nauseous stew. You could not yourself, in good conscience, my friend, support either the policy or the result. Remember that to act in such a manner debases the man who gives or executes such an order profoundly: Israel could not be the state we support for long if that were the conduct of its government and soldiery.

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[CitizenDick]

16. Question

"Israel could easily make it a crime resulting in death to belong to such a group."

Do you advocate that?

[Gimel]

23. Not so easily

As there is no death penalty in the judicial system in Israel, I think membership in such a group would draw a long sentence. Actually, of the prisoners that Israel holds now, about half of them are charged with membership in Hamas or Islamic Jihad, or other terror group. Some might be released in the near future, although the dismantlement of the groups might be a prerequisite.

[CitizenDick]

15. I'd like to hear more on your proposal

"Israel should make it clear that such an action will result in 100 DEAD Hamas members for every kidnapping. Israel should start with the Hamas members in captivity, but if it runs out, there appear to be more elsewhere."

Would the Hamas members executed need to be guilty of a violent crime, or any crime, for that matter?

Apparently, executing them for a crime they were not involved in is what you call for. Why wait for another crime to be commited if being members of Hamas is punishable by death? Why wouldn't you propose simply executing all Hamas members that could be found, regardless? Wouldn't that send a powerful message?

Anyone referring to humans in prison as being "in captivity" has some real issues. There are criminals in this country in prison for good reasons, but I hope I never sink to the point I refer to them as "in captivity". Sick.

[Aidoneus]

17. so, 1 Jewish life being inconvenienced = 100 dead Palestinians

That formula sounds so familiar..............

When Israel kidnaps a Palestinian (and there are thousands who have been abducted, something like 8,000 currently being held), does that mean they have the right to kill 100 Jews by your plan too? What strange things people say when hyperbole is the language of choice.

[CitizenDick]

18. Had that been proposed

I suspect the author would have been admonished.

[Jackie97]

9. It's the Hamas version of having POW'S.

I understand it, but I have to say that I think that they're about to make a huge mistake. Israel's releasing prisoners, and this might look Hama's have a lack of sincerity for keeping the ceasefire. Everything might go right back to square one if Hamas does that.

[Herschel]

11. Each time I read this title

I shake my head. Oh, my.

[Aidoneus]

14. a flock of hypocrites

So when parts of the Israeli army stroll into a Palestinian town/camp and drag people away (thousands in all), that's not "kidnapping" because..?

[Gimel]

19. Vaguely

But the resemblance stops there. Does Israel threaten to kill them, show videos of them being tortured and demand compliance to their dictates? Does Sharon select one of the terrorists imprisoned by Israel to get this treatment before he is shot dead? Or perhaps the children of a few select families chosen to die, by shooting them in their parents arms, inside their home? These are the choice methods of terrorists.

[Herschel]

20. Yes

Israel apprehends to try to bring criminals to justice, releasing innocents. Terrorists kidnap innocents with no intention of releasing them. This is the same? Oh, my.

[Darranar]

21. I agree completely...

The people who accuse us of always believing Israel's point of you should see that many of them always take Israel's enemies' point of view.

[bemildred]

22. A flock of parrots would be more like it.

It's not kidnapping because we don't want to call it that.
:puke:

[Gimel]

24. If it were simple

The world might be divided into two categories - free and not free. However, in reality there are no absolutes. Prisoners have more hope to continue a free life than victims of Palestinian kidnappings.

[bemildred]

25. Eh.

Moral relativism.
Tsk.
Next thing sometimes "terrorism" will be understandable.

[Gimel]

26. especially

with an expanded definition, and a victim's mentality. Like the "political prisoners" in the US who have their own hit list.

[bemildred]

27. Sorry, you lost me there.

Or maybe I lost you.
Let's just leave it.