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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:08 PM
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2 more boy bombers nabbed in W. Bank
In the fourth attempt in recent months to use children or teenagers to perpetrate terror attacks, two Palestinian 'boy bombers', aged 15 and 16, were arrested at the Jalama checkpoint near Jenin in the West Bank on Wednesday.

In their possession, IDF troops found 11 explosive devices, including several pipe bombs. A homemade gun was also discovered.

A local military commander told The Jerusalem Post that the two had been paid NIS 100 each to detonate the bombs near soldiers manning the checkpoint.

The youths said they were asked to bring the weapons into Israel and were intending to make another trip with more weapons.

Also Wednesday, Jerusalem police went on a heightened state of alert following intelligence warnings which indicated that a Palestinian terrorist may try to carry out a suicide bombing in the center of the city, police said.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1114568594963

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Just super.....i guess that hudna doesnt cover 15 and 16 year olds.

Well there is a bright side, they didnt use a 12 or 13 yo this time.

Taking terrorism to new lows....again.

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:11 PM
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1. I almost am for the death penalty when I see people using kids as bombs.
I hope Sharon nails the people responsible.

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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:19 PM
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2. I guess you didnt hear......the terrorists agreed to a ceasefire.
:eyes:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:02 PM
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8. So why are they recruiting kids? They should never be recruiting kids.
That is as bad or worse than child abuse. That is procuring children for murder and suicide.

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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:01 PM
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17. You wouldn't believe what's being taught in P.A. schools and
on the Hamas website, as well as throughout the M.E.

I wouldn't have had any idea myself except that there was a thread recently that got my attention, so I did some research, including a lot of cross-checking to make sure my docs were solid.

People teach their children that this is GOOD, it is good to blow up innocent people and Become A Martyr, along with the most godawful bullshit about Jews, stuff straight out of the Dark Ages.

HOW can we make peace in this environment?

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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:00 AM
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19. Schools that teach all kinds of vile shit.....
and dont get me started on PA medis that calls jews "pigs and monkeys".

"HOW can we make peace in this environment? "

You cant....and this generation of palestinians will be there a long time.

Can anyone honestly believe after a "peace" is established that there will be peace ?


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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:19 PM
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3. AAARRRGGGHHHH. This is why that awful fence is being
built.

But, if the Israelis go after the people who sent the bombers, they will be in trouble again and the UN will pass another Resolution.

Abbas has to try and get a grip but it doesn't seem that he has control of the hamasniks.

Therefore, we will send The British Academic Union. No doubt, they will fix it.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:34 PM
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4. Thats a good point......
not one word for the continuing attempted and successful TERRORIST attacks by them but if Israel tries to protect itself , the Useless Nations will explode with more anti-semitic israel resolutions.

Abbas has the spine of a wet noodle.

But dont worry, i'm soooo sure the head of PA security, the so-called "collaborator hunter", the one suspected of carrying out terrorist attacks himself, is on the case as we speak.:eyes::eyes:
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mseltzer Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:40 PM
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5. Great
post, thanks. I didn't know that defending Israel's right to defend itself was allowed here. I've been attacked when I've tried. I'm glad to see it.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:45 PM
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6. Oh......no one here criticizes Israel's right to defend itself......
its only when they DO they are criticized.
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mseltzer Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:54 PM
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7. You put
it better than I did. Israel is one subject that seems to bring out a certain closed-mindedness from some.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:04 PM
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10. THEN SEE THIS......
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mseltzer Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:33 PM
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18. You've got
balls. Posting that here is like asking people to shit on you. It just shows how some people will automatically jump on the "progressive" bandwagon with no sense of justice and little, if any, sense of history.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:31 PM
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:39 PM
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14. Aussies, Brits and Sue Blackwell......
nothing much more you can say after that.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:03 PM
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9. From a few weeks ago...
Fear of escalation after IDF troops kill 3 in Gaza

Tension increased in the Gaza Strip on Saturday as Israel Defense Forces troops shot dead three Palestinian teens in Rafah. Palestinian militants retaliated by firing at least 25 mortar shells at Gush Katif. There were no injuries.

The IDF fears an escalation in the hostilities following the incident.

Meanwhile, the right-wing Revava movement is planning a large demonstration at the Temple Mount on Sunday and security sources voiced fears that this may also inflame the situation.

Over 3,000 police officers will deploy in the Old City of Jerusalem on Sunday in order to prevent Jews from entering the Temple Mount, Israel Radio reported.

A senior Southern Command source told Haaretz that the teens who were killed were arms smugglers.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/562862.html
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:13 PM
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11. Yeah....you're right....
the palestinians have made EVERY SINGLE teenager a potential terrorist.

Sadly, by using children as disposible pawns the IDF now looks at every teenager as a potential murderer. AND THE TERRORISTS ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE.

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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:14 PM
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12. They are NOT. The article spoke of a blatant act of MURDER...
Edited on Wed Apr-27-05 07:15 PM by Darranar
There is NEVER ANY EXCUSE AT ALL for shooting unarmed teenagers.

NEVER.

Especially not during a supposed "truce."

Those responsible are those who shot the teenagers.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:43 PM
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15. Am I mis-reading something
Hardly "unarmed" and the act of carrying bombs and a home made gun was a violation of the truce, and they were not shot.


The linked article - 2 More Boy Bombers Nabbed in W. Bank Jerusalem Post, August 27, 2005, said

    Because of the general closure , only those with special permits or in need of urgent medical assistance are permitted through," said Major Yariv, a commander of the armored corps deployed at the crossing, told The Jerusalem Post.

    "Therefore the presence of the two youths at the crossing without any adults accompanying them was suspicious," he said.

    A soldier called them over for inspection.

    "
    The soldier saw wires protruding, and eleven different types of bombs, including pipe bombs ready for use as well as a homemade gun," said Yariv. Soldiers ordered them to strip, fearing they were wearing explosive belts.

    The two were then handed over to the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) for questioning and
    sappers defused the bombs.

    Yariv said the two had been instructed to approach soldiers at the crossing and ask for a drink of water and then detonate the bombs near them.


I guess if it's not Al-Jazeera it has no credibility?

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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:46 PM
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16. I was talking about the article I posted...
Edited on Wed Apr-27-05 07:46 PM by Darranar
in reply to drdon's statement about the article I posted.

Violations of the truce are hardly one-sided.
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 04:21 PM
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20. They would have never been thrust into
such a horrible position if Israel had not pursued such disgusting policies and actions. It shows you have desperate Palestinians are when teenagers are taking up arms against their oppressors. If Israel would stop stealing their land, this would not occur.

FYI: Boys of this age took (quite a large) part in the resistance against the Nazis.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 07:09 PM
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 08:24 PM
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22. Hello? People have been attacking Jews in this region for
AGES, long before the establishment of the state of Israel. Arabs in North Africa participated in pogroms related to the Nazi war. The Arab riots in the '30's resulted in the British reducing both land sales and immigration to Jews, and helped seal the fate of people in Hitler's Europe. The Mufti of Jerusalem spent most of the war years in Berlin, where he broadcast horrifically antisemitic garbage to the Middle East, recruited Muslim troops to serve under Hitler, who participated directly in the persecution of Gypsies, Jews and the Serbians who were fighting for the Allies. I'm including a link to an ISLAMIC website below, where you can verify this information. It is, however, widely documented. You can cross-reference this in the transcripts of the Nuremburg Trials.

Oh, there has been a LOT for a very long time, even before the first Zionist settlers appeared. Even in the best of times Jews in this region - and there were large populations - have been at best second-class citizens - by which I mean they had to pay annual taxes to be allowed to practice their religion, wore special clothes, lived in separate quarters, performed "unclean" jobs, rode asses instead of horses, and so forth. This did not prevent some from rising in the esteem of powerful men but for the population as a whole, it would now be considered "apartheid."

Compared to the murderous antisemitism of Europe, this wasn't a bad deal. The Jewish population of Iraq, for example, became well-educated and well-off.

However, that entire population was evicted after 1948, like the other Jewish communities across the Middle East.

In the worst of times, people were beaten and murdered and their homes destroyed.

There's a link to the coup that overthrew the government in Iraq in 1941, in which the Mufti of Jerusalem was involved, and which resulted also in the deaths of many Jews.

A little perspective on this matter is requested, please.

Here are links, the first of which discusses the JEWISH refugees of the Middle East and the second, the history of Jewish Morocco. Morocco has traditionally been one of the MOST tolerant places for Jews. Yet, you can see by reading through this, all has not been roses. And, of course, that population was expelled also.

Included as well is information about the fate of Jewish North Africa, excluding British-held Egypt, during WWII. The last link is the website of the Sunni Imam, Sheikh Abdul Hadi Palazzi, who is a Ph.D. and professor of Islamic history.

All of this information has been thoroughly researched and documented and can be cross-checked. This is NOT the revisionist history which is becoming so popular today, and which seeks to completely wipe out these stories.

http://www.jcpa.org/jl/jl102.htm
http://rickgold.home.mindspring.com/page10.html
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~shaked/Holocaust/lectures/lec10b.html
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/farhud.html
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/

Those poor babies are hardly the first, nor is this conflict of recent vintage. And it is HARDLY a one-sided affair, based on the nastiness of those evil Israelis.

If you have links to the resistance of young people like this against the Nazis, I would like to see them. Many Palestinians did enter the British army, but many others signed with Hitler, and his philosophy, unfortunately, was very popular throughout the Middle East.

As to the settlers, however wrong they might be, their "stealing" has thus far amounted to 2% of the land in the OT. In the cases of the close-in settlements, that help protect the narrow neck of Israel, those will probably stay. The others, I doubt they'll be there forever, they are absolutely not helping the cause of peace.

You should be aware, however, that ancient Jewish communities, that date back to Biblical times, were present on the West Bank. They fell prey to riots and pogroms in the early 20th century.











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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 11:09 PM
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23. A little perspective?
Jews have been persecuted throughout the Middle East before Israel? Not quite a revelation to me, sorry. Jews have been persecuted for a pretty long time. However, the Middle East had been tolerant of Jews throughout history, and it was nothing like you have said. The Islamic world was very tolerant of different religions (many exceptions, but this is relative), for instance, it was the Muslims who fought against the Jew-murdering Crusaders. For all intensive purposes, Palestine was ruled by the Ottoman Empire until WWI.

You are incorrect in much of what you say. Jews and Muslims lived alongside each other in Palestine, with little conflict until the Zionist programs started in about 1897. When Jews began to flood into their lands, Arabs began to grow resentful of them. This is when the conflict started, and so the situation is nothing like you say.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/world/2001/israel_and_palestinians/timeline/1897.stm

Also, the main reason the Jews were evicted was because of Israel. Try to think a little: what happened around 1948??? Oh yeah, Zionists kicked Palestinians off of their land while killing and displacing thousands through brutal means. What would you expect the reaction to be?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/world/2001/israel_and_palestinians/timeline/1948.stm

Israel has occupied and unjustly stolen a tremendous amount of land.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/world/2001/israel_and_palestinians/key_maps/jewish_sett_west.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/world/2001/israel_and_palestinians/key_maps/2.stm

If you think for one second that these settlements are for security, you are out of your mind. What a way to security: put citizens on other people's land. Brilliant! Even with this so-called withdrawal, the settlers are pouting and will probably stay as long as possible.

Those ancient Jewish communities fell prey to riots because of Zionist aggression. There would be a great chance for continued harmony if Israel was never created.

I was talking about young kids who joined the resistances of France and Poland, for instance. I did not necessarily mean Arabs. There were many young people who fought against oppression, and I was making an idealogical connection between the two conflicts, not a literal one.
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