‘Sharon inspires Al Qaeda’

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http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/theworld/2005/March/theworld_March208.xml§ion=theworld

JERUSALEM - London mayor Ken Livingstone accused the Israeli government of inspiring terrorist network Al Qaeda in comments to Israel’s right-wing Jerusalem Post newspaper published on Tuesday.


The maverick mayor, a member of Britain’s governing Labour Party, stood by his claim that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Shaorn is a war criminal, carried in an article on Friday in Britain’s Guardian newspaper.

In a written response to questions from Israel’s English-language daily, Livingstone said the Israeli government threatens the entire Western world by inspiring terrorist groups such as Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda.

“The threat is from the policies of the current Israeli government, which in its abuse of the human rights of the Palestinians... raises the temperature of the Middle East to a boiling point -- thereby creating threats to all of us,” the Post quoted him as saying.

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[MARALE]

1. I am glad someone said it.

Sharon does have a lot to answer for in the treatment of the Palestines.

[Mari333]

2. Truth is a lovely thing to hear, and is in short supply these days

Kudos to Livingstone.

[slackmaster]

3. Sharon Stone?

Oops, never mind.

:freak:

[leftynyc]

4. Yes - it's all Israel's fault

No matter that that pig Bin Laden never even mentioned the Palestinians before 9/11. All the Arab governments have used them to control their own people (anyone who knows anything about the mid-east knows what I'm speaking of). I'm sick to death of every problem in the mid-east being laid at Israel's door. Those governments treat their citizens like shit - Israel's fault, they butcher their women in the name of purity - Israel's fault, they teach their children there is glory in suicide and virgins will welcome them - Israel's fault. As far as I'm concerned, they act just like the chimps administration - never responsible for anything and everything is someone else's fault.

[Colorado Blue]

29. Right on. I totally agree with your post. I do not agree with

everything Mr. Sharon has done but this is ridiculous. The problems of the M.E. are far deeper than the I/P situation - indeed that problem shows signs of improvement. People are conveniently forgetting that Arafat, among others, had more than one opportunity to make a state and do something good for the Palestinian people, but chose to follow the path of terror and war.

IMO, Israel is an excuse for people in the M.E. not to deal with their problems - problems such as their local economies, the creation of jobs, the role of the Arab world in the greater world of the 21st century, the future of governments in nation-states that were created by fiat, the need for reform and modernization, the pressing need for a balance to the expansion of fundamentalist Islam. And the Palestinian people have been used as pawns by these cynical "leaders" for more than 50 years.

Enough!

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[pie]

6. very good

[drdon326]

14. .....

:argh:

[centristo]

7. what about the other promoters of terrorism?

Like Rabin, Barak, Peres, and Netanyahu?

By this logic these guys are all guilty too, right?

Its a jackass statement to say its Sharon's or Israel's fault that mass murders like Bin Laden exist. If Israel wasn't their main target it would be America. If not America than Britain, or Germany, or Turkey, or India, or Japan. They would find someone to hate that doesn't match their fanatical ideas about how society should exist.

[leftynyc]

8. Well put (eom)

[MrPrax]

9. Old Red Ken...

Good to see he still has fire in the belly...

[drdon326]

10. Thaaaats right.....fire in his belly ....

and shit for brains.

[Darranar]

11. This is a very convenient way to absolve the US and Britain of blame. n/t

[Coastie for Truth]

12. PESACH MATZOHS, WELLS, BUBONIC PLAGUE

Has Mayor Livingstone had anything to say about the Blood of Gentile Children in Pesach Matzohs, poisoning the wells, or spreading Bubonic Plague, or the Secret Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

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[Yosie]

16. Thanks for the Aljeezera link

I knew if anyone could find such a link that you would.

Can you find one about using the blood of freshly slaughtered Christian or Muslim children in Pesach Matzohs.

Pesach is coming soon - and I would like a recipe.

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[newyorican]

22. feh...

scrub the news

who needs it

But disinfo....it RRAAAWWWKKKS!

[newyorican]

21. Quite a history to this "Well poisoning"...

I can understand why some would prefer to engage in disinformation tactics to relegate it to the status of urban legend. It is not compatible with clarity (or truth), however.

THE JEWS OF IRAQ

Uri Mileshtin, an official historian for the Israeli Defense Force, has written and spoken about the use of bacteriological agents<1>. According to Mileshtin, Moshe Dayan, a division commander at the time, gave orders in 1948 to remove Arabs from their villages, bulldoze their homes, and render water wells unusable with typhus and dysentery bacteria.


<1> Mileshtin was quoted by the Israeli daily, Hadashot, in an article published August 13, 1993. The writer, Sarah Laybobis-Dar, interviewed a number of Israelis who had knowledge of the use of bacteriological weapons in the 1948 war. Mileshtin said bacteria was used to poison the wells of every village emptied of its Arab inhabitants.

[Coastie for Truth]

27. Typhus from "poisoning the wells"

Suggest you read a good bacteriology book (I actually took two 3 credit courses in Sewage Treatment Engineering - and Water Treatment Engineering)--

BTW- "The typhus group of illnesses are caused by rickettsiae, gram-negative obligate intracellular bacteria transmitted by bites of infected arthropods or exposure to their feces. The typhus group of illnesses are one of several rickettsioses or febrile exanthematous illnesses that include (in addition to the typhus group of illnesses), the spotted fever group of illnesses (Rocky Mountain spotted fever, Boutonneuse fever, North Asian tick typhus, and rickettsial pox), Q fever, trench fever, and erlichiosis." - right out of my Sewage Treatment text book.

[Yosie]

18. No response to

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=87758&mesg_id=87788

[newyorican]

20. Quite true...

if you look at my post, you will see I was responding to #12. Though why that fact would interest you is beyond me at this juncture.

[dameocrat]

33. Probably, how do they relate?

? If you throw those comparisons around too much they backfire after a while. Israel itself held Sharon responsible for Sabra and Shatilla. He had to quit politics over the scandal. I see no reason to penalize Livingston for stating the obvious.

[Yosie]

13. Much of the hostility is due to British tampering

and it wasn't the Balfour Declaration or the White Paper.

Mayor Livingston needs to look at the history of his own Foreign Office and Colonial Office and Admiralty. The Brits created hositility and acrimony to preserve and protect the trade routes of an Empire.

Let's go back to Sir Mark Sykes and the Sykes-Picot Agreement (which preceded the Balfour Declaration) and see the pre-Balfour policy of a British, non-Muslim client state on the Eastern Littoral of the Mediterranean.

The idea was to protect British trade routes to India (they thought they would own India forever) by having non-Muslim clients (Christian Lebanon and Jewish Palestine) on that Eastern Littoral.

Don't take my word - I am an advocate. Google "Sir Mark Sykes" and "Sykes-Picot."

[newyorican]

23. Gotcha...

It's the Brits fault that Sharon is a "terrorist-inspiring" sack of shit.

So much for the era of personal responsibilty.

[Yosie]

24. Nobel Prizes for Sir Mark Sykes and Sir Phillip Wall

Nobel Peace Prize for Sir Mark Sykes for screwing the Maronites, the Jews, the Lebanese Shiias, the Palestinians, and the Arabian Peninsula Bedouins.

Nobel Prize in Economics for the thoroughly disgraced (resigned amid fraud charges) Sir Phillip Wall, former Chairman of Royal Dutch Shell, for fraudulently overstating "proven" (bit non-existent) reserves to defraud shareholders and regulators, and for diverting corporate funds to Filipino and Indonesian terror groups.

Is the WCC or the Anglican community or the Presbyterian Church going to divest Shell? Definitely more morally culpable then Caterpillar or Astra-Zeneca or IBM or Microsoft or Intel or ADM. Definitely.

So much for the era of personal responsibility.

Sykes and Wall - as innocent as the driven snow? Yes sir.

[newyorican]

25. Tell you what..

start a thread about Sykes and Wall and we'll all play "dog pile on the rabbit". The topic of this thread is about the human excrement that is currently in the residence of the Israeli PM.

[Yosie]

26. I just sent a credit card contribution to Hamas

I filled up my tank with self serve regular at 2.29/gal -- and I know some of that is going to the terrorists. See, I am even handed. Actually, Shell - and ExxonMobil, and BP-Amoco, and Unocal have me by the proverbial "short hairs."

So, I just say, ten gallons (I drive a Prius to minimize my contributions to Hamas) -- and figure $2.30 for madrasas and homicide bombs.

BTW - I would rank Dave O'Reilly (CEO of Texaco-Chevron) and Lee Raymond (CEO of Exxon-Mobil) at least as low as Sharon - if not lower. REal scum o the earth - and golf buddies of Bush.

[newyorican]

28. Try Citgo

I think that's the name. A nice portion of your dollar will go to Chavez in Venezuela (I think). That's where I feed my beast.

[Coastie for Truth]

31. Citgo doesn't market in my region

Otherwise I would buy CITGO.

When the company was sold they pulled out of most markets. Actually - in the old days CITGO and OXY had the best HR policies (relatively minority friendly, female friendly, etc. compared to industry norms).

They "sold" more then they "drilled" and bought a lot of fuel - and some crude - on the "spot" market.

Their first "minority" VP was a friend of mine.

[Colorado Blue]

30. Right on. nt

[Behind the Aegis]

32. That is just silly!

It is almost as stupid as the claim that al-Qaeda attacked us because "they hate our freedoms." As if al-Qaeda would be funding charity balls, if the state of Israel didn't exist! :eyes: Please, they would find SOMETHING to pissed off about. The real issue is the "entire Western World inspires terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda" because they don't support the destruction of the nation of Israel!

It probably doesn't help that the US has invaded a sovereign nation without provocation in violation of just about EVERY international law, but that SOB doesn't dare say that because it might risk an invasion on the Dover shores!

Face it, Israel is NOT the sole reason for ALL problems in the ME! The propagandists just want us and them to believe that!