Poll: most Israeli Jews back proposed 'Jews-only' land law

[newyorican]

A public opinion poll released Thursday showed that a majority of Jewish Israelis supported a controversial proposed law that would allow Jews to bar Arabs from living in their communities, and that most Israeli Jews were unwilling to have Israeli Arabs live in their neighborhoods.

According to the Israel Radio poll, carried out by the Panorama opinion survey organization, most Israeli Jews support the proposed "Druckman Law", which would allow communities built on state land to pursue a "Jews-only" policy, barring Arabs and other non-Jews from living or buying property there.

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Eitam said the law's success in the cabinet showed how "a small party is influencing and molding the agenda of the society."

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=185730&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0

Lovely...

Meanwhile some want to point to the EU and scream bias...

There's an apropos saying about pointing out a mote in someones eye, while failing to notice the beam in your own.

[madrchsod]

1. so the jews want to rid themselves of the

arab israeli`s and the arab christians.i hope they build that wall high enough so no one can look at that country again.amazing how far a people can sink when they give into fear. it`s happening here for the same reason,no wonder sharon and bush are such good friends...

[newyorican]

2. actually...

The article states everyone, except Jews.

"...barring Arabs and other non-Jews from living or buying property there."

Why Arabs are called out specifically is open to debate. Perhaps it means to keep Arabs from living and non-Jews from buying property in that order.

Either way it's a sad statement that the majority of Israeli-Jews hold racist beliefs...and see nothing wrong with that. Some self-examination in front of a mirror is long overdue.

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[klook]

4. Maybe Israel could require the Arabs to wear some kind of insignia

to identify them, even children. And then they could close all the Arab shops, because after all, they could be fronts for the terrorists. And then they could seize the Arabs' private property and land, and maybe put them in internment camps. Heck, it might even be a good idea to start killing them just because they're Arabs, because that's a good enough reason, isn't it?

What's scary is I started writing that half-facetiously, but some of this is already happening, and the rest seems less far fetched all the time. Scary, tragic, and maddening.

[Djinn]

6. what gets me

is that the behaviour of a couple of named Europeans and some Muslims is supposed to be representative of the BILLIONS of people who fit either (or both) of those categorys but even when poll after poll (commissioned and carried out by israeli's themselves not those evil anti-semites elsewhere) demonstrates the MAJORITY of Israeli's hold discriminatory (ranging from "they should be transferred", they shouldn't be allowed to live here" and "they should be sterilised") views about Mulsims/Arabs it's oakily doakily.

[Muddleoftheroad]

9. Europe has 2,000 years of anti-Semitism

That includes pogroms, the Inquisition and the Holocaust. Understandably, Jewish people are a bit worried every time Europeans start destroying synagogues or desecrating Jewish cemetaries or beating up Jewish people.

[brainshrub]

47. I barley knew ye.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=122731

[sushi]

48. Are you saying

you agree with this proposed law?

[newyorican]

49. Muddle cannot answer...

and that is unfortunate.

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[sushi]

52. Give him time

Muddle is a great defender of democracy.

[Gimel]

59. Is there a link for that claim

I think that you have misstated the survey results. Nothing like sterilization was even proposed. Please provide a link when you make such claims about opinion polls.

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[Gimel]

58. Calling this Israel

Saying that "Israel marked Arab construction workers" is like calling Islamic Jihad acctivist a representative of Palestinians. Especially as the practice was discontinued immediately.

[tinnypriv]

60. The marking was done by a government agency

Hence, Israeli government, hence Israel.

And it was "discontinued", because of the outcry, nothing else.

[Gimel]

61. the "agency"

was the contractor, was it not?

[tinnypriv]

62. Actually not

The Security Dept of the Knesset ordered the spray-painting. Look it up.

[Gimel]

64. Security dept

Security is typically an outside agency hired to provide security. Look it up.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

80. Mom: did you steal these cookies?

Kid: No Mom, I didn't! (thinking: I stole the ones already in my belly, not these ones still in the jar, hehehe!)

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[7th_Sephiroth]

5. the true face revealed

how unbeleaveably racist

[no_hypocrisy]

7. How do you say "Apartheid" in Yiddish? And Hebrew?

[tinnypriv]

12. hafrada

"separation"

That's what Apartheid means.

[Gimel]

63. Actually

The word "apartheid" is also used in Hebrew, as it means more than "separation."

[tinnypriv]

65. Didn't know that

Only ever seen apartheid transliterated.

[Gimel]

66. It appears quite often

in news and is heard in news broadcasts.

[Gimel]

68. Are you using Babble Fish?

With the addition of the word "gezeit" ="racial" it would mean apartheid. Simply separation is not specific to apartheid.

[tinnypriv]

70. Don't understand the question

But to be specific, "hafradah" isn't literally apartheid, but apartheid itself means "separation" (in Afrikkan), therefore the words are parallel.

hafradah (heb) = separation (as in news broadcasts of the fence, referred to as "gadar hafradah" - separation fence).

apartheid (afrikkan) = separation.

Apartheid has come to have two meanings - one literal, the other social. It means seperation, but also racial segregation. If the context in say, a Hebrew Kol Yisrael broadcast is a Professer comparing Israel to South Africa, the announcer would just say "Apartheid".

If it was an article in a child's book, it would say "apartheid", followed by hafradah gizit, or describing the giz'an nature of it, etc.

In political columns in the Israeli press, this is a good example (all terms above used):

http://images.maariv.co.il/cache/ART666317.html (note the "Apartheid Wall" quote, which uses Hebrew and non-Hebrew - i.e. Heb for wall).

BTW, there is currently (has been for a long time) a discussion in Israeli left groups on whether to try and get "hafradah" the same kind of connotations as apartheid, hence my answer, which was correct.

I trust this clears up the confusion.

[Gimel]

71. Not a fact

BTW, there is currently (has been for a long time) a discussion in Israeli left groups on whether to try and get "hafradah" the same kind of connotations as apartheid, hence my answer, which was correct.

As your own words tell it, "separation" does not carry the same meaning as "apartheid". The English separation does not equal apartheid. It is an Afrikaner word which applied to the situation and oppression in South Africa.

whether to try and get "hafradah" the same kind of connotations apartheid is not a statement verifying that there is that accepted connotation in Hebrew. There most certainly is not. There are many instances in the Hebrew life style calling for separation, and it would be totally unjust to apply the apartheid type oppression to, for example, the separation of the women and men in religious ceremonies and worship.

The "discussions" you refer to do not apply. The separation fence is not "apartheid" except in EI and al Jezeera propaganda. If it were, the 1.3 million Arabs in Israel would be on the wrong side.

The Jews only neighborhoods favor a balance to the Arab only enclaves. With the lack of trust between the groups that exists at the present time, it is not at all surprising.

[newyorican]

72. Are you talking about overt racism...

with this statement?

With the lack of trust between the groups that exists at the present time, it is not at all surprising.

BTW, overt racism (evidenced in the poll) is the topic of the thread, not the worthless, parsing of translations.

[Gimel]

73. I am saying

that the American experience with racism is not that of the situation in Israel. Not only are the Arabs of the same "race" as Jews, they are not excluded from any aspect of life in Israel.

[tinnypriv]

74. Interesting

Jews have "neighbourhoods", but the Arabs only have "enclaves".

Should I read a lot into this?

[Gimel]

75. Gee

You could say that Jews have kibbutzim and Arabs have cities. Try and be more creative. Nothing derogatory about an enclave. Maybe something more bland like area or section would suit you better, just to make sure that I'm not adding any special weight to one side or the other, as I know some people are just straining at the bit, trying to find fault.

[Violet_Crumble]

76. Who cares what it's called?

It's going down the same path as South Africa did and it's racist and no-one should even try to defend it as far as I'm concerned...

Yr claiming there are 'Arab only enclaves' in Israel where Israeli Jews aren't allowed to live by law? Sorry, but it sounds like bullshit to me. But if you have some evidence to support yr claim, can you share it? If that did exist, it's every bit as racist as the racism displayed in the poll that started the thread. What should be important to Israelis is the fact that they're all Israeli citizens. It's unfortunate that this obsession over ethnicity fuels the fire of racism...

Violet...

[Jack Rabbit]

77. This has been posted before

From the website of BTselem:

Israel has created in the Occupied Territories a regime of separation based on discrimination, applying two separate systems of law in the same area and basing the rights of individuals on their nationality. This regime is the only one of its kind in the world, and is reminiscent of distasteful regimes from the past, such as the Apartheid regime in South Africa.
Under this regime, Israel has stolen hundreds of thousands of dunam of land from the Palestinians. Israel has used this land to establish dozens of settlements in the West Bank and to populate them with hundreds of thousands of Israeli citizens. Israel prohibits the Palestinians as a group from entering and using these lands, and uses the settlements to justify numerous violations of the Palestinians' human rights, such as the right to housing, to earn a livelihood, and the right to freedom of movement. The drastic change that Israel has made in the map of the West Bank prevents any real possibility for the establishment of an independent, viable Palestinian state as part of the Palestinians' right to self-determination.

This is exactly why the Fourth Geneva Convention (Article 49, paragraph 6) categorically prohibits an occupying power from transferring parts of its own population to occupied territory, as Israel is doing.

There are two aspects occupation, one legitimate and one illegitimate. Israel has every right to occupy the Palestinian territories until such time as a credible Palestinian leader signs a peace accord with the Israeli government establishing permanent borders and with each nation pledging to respect those borders. However, that in no way gives Israel the right to colonize the territories. Moreover, until permanent borders are established, the boundary must remain what has been used for all practical purposes as a border since 1949: the Green Line. That is the proper starting point for negotiations. Until then, anything beyond the Green Line is occupied territory; it is not and never has been part of the modern state of Israel.

Ms. Crumble is correct: there is and can be no such thing as a legal Israeli settlement in occupied territory. It is most likely that borders will be negotiated in a way to allow the largest settlements near the Green Line to remain as part of the state of Israel; all others will fall under the jurisdiction of the state of Palestine. If the state of Palestine wishes to prosecute any individual Israel settlers remaining behind for crimes committed against Palestinians, including vandalism, assault and even murder, it will be within its right to do so.

My personal hope is that any peace accord will establish a truth and reconciliation commission on the lines of the one that was established in post-Apartheid South Africa so that most crimes committed by Palestinian militants and Israeli settlers, bureaucrats and soldiers can be acknowledged with only the worst crimes prosecuted and punished.

[Gimel]

79. It was my impression

We were discussing the area within Israel's borders, that is on Israel's side of the Green Line.

However, you bring up an important pint about the territories, and despite B'tzalem's valiant efforts, there are no Jews allowed in the Palestinian areas, in fact those who have tried to make peace there have been murdered. No, legality to buy land there is not the issue, Jews can't even tread the ground.

As far as in Israel, I think that buying property from Arabs would be difficult, and renting may be possible, but as you know, currently it would be ill advised.

[Jack Rabbit]

83. You're absolutely right

I intended the post for a different thread. My bad.

[Violet_Crumble]

90. 'Jews can't even tread the ground'?

That's not true at all, Gimel. I just saw a documentary on SBS about the barrier being built and the crew filmed a bunch of Israeli peace activists in the West Bank who were protesting the barrier alongside Palestinians. The only people shooting at them were the IDF, btw...

And what about people like Amira Haas? She's lived in Ramallah and the Gaza Strip....

Violet...

[Gimel]

81. The Law

The Law of Israel prevents discrimination. You will notice that the article posted is discussing a a poll. In theory, such a law in unconstitutional. In practice there are many Arab only areas, where the land is owned exclusively by Arabs, and in fact if an Arab sells to a Jew, he would probably be murdered by some Arab activist.

There was a case that has been recently decided in favor of an Arab buying into a Jewish community, buying land from the Israel Land Authority, not from a private person. In practice, there is no law against a private person selling land to whomever he wishes, if that person is an Israeli citizen.

This is from a news article of a few days ago:

Jerusalem Post. Jerusalem: May 11, 2004. pg. 05

"I don't think this decision will spark a trend of Arab citizens trying to move into Jewish villages because such a life is not very convenient for Arabs themselves," said Jafar Farah, director of the Mossawa advocacy center for Arab citizens of Israel."Those who don't want mixed Jewish-Arab communities should make sure that development plans are approved and allocate land for housing in Arab ...

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There is a difference, in my mind, for an Israeli to make claims of discrimination in the country, one who lives in Israel and loves Israel, than for someone who has never set foot on Israel, but makes an intellectual decision from reading reports, say Electronic Intifada or whatever, that Israel is an Apartheid state like South Africa.

There are very complex issues in Israel, and I don't think such a comparison goes very deep. However, this is a very interesting and thoughtful article of an interview with an Israeli politician of the left, Avraham Burg. I think you might find it interesting.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=360539

Here is another article which might give you insight into the complexity of Israeli communities and political life:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=250560

Cultural cohesions are strong in Israel as elsewhere in the Middle East. Mixing communities and ethnic groups should not be something that is done forcefully.

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[newyorican]

84. same sentiment were espoused by racists in the US...

before they were forced to integrate...nice company you're keeping.

"Mixing communities and ethnic groups should not be something that is done forcefully."

Note to Mods: that's about as nice as it can be put, do as you will...

[Gimel]

86. Racists

Are you then calling this man a racist?

Jafar Farah, director of the Mossawa advocacy center for Arab citizens of Israel.

Or are you referring to the quote? I deny that flat out. I am in no way a racist, but I think it is the right of people to live in their own ethnic community. If someone wants to adapt to the standards of that community, fine.

Furthermore, your charge in comparing the situation in the US and that of Israel is again something I reject. As I stated before, the ethnic groups in this case are not racially distinguishable, and second in the US there was no religious difference. The observance of black Methodists and white Methodists were essentially the same.

[Classical_Liberal]

93. There are alot of people in the US who don't want Jews in their

neighborhood. Are you sympathetic with them? I'm not.

[Gimel]

94. Good.

(although that is a different situation).

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[Violet_Crumble]

91. No, the law isn't preventing discrimination...

How could it when the laws in Western states to ensure equality for all citizens don't stop discrimination and racism from happening?

You claimed that there were Arab-only enclaves and put it up as a parallel to the racism displayed in the poll by those who support the proposed Druckman Law. You haven't shown any evidence that it's the case at all. I very much got the impression it was a bit of a 'well they do it so what's wrong with us doing it back to them??' type of argument....

I've got one thing to say about excuses of 'complexity' that are used to excuse racism, and that is that yr argument could have been just as easily used by a white South African who supported Apartheid, or a white American prior to the civil rights movement. How effective do you think this argument would be if used by them?

There is a difference, in my mind, for a South African to make claims of discrimination in the country, one who lives in South Africa and loves South Africa, than for someone who has never set foot on South Africa, but makes an intellectual decision from reading reports, say the Guardian or whatever, that South Africa is an Apartheid state.

There are very complex issues in South Africa, and I don't think such a comparison goes very deep.

Heh, and the sheer beauty of yr line of argument is that in not being a South African, you already disqualified yrself from coming out with a reply along the lines of 'but that's different!!!' After all, how would you know? Yr not South African...

Racism is racism, and no matter where it is, it stinks just as badly as anywhere else...

Violet...

[Gimel]

92. I disagree with your definitions

But I know that there's no point in discussing it further with you.

[Gimel]

96. Racism

The most flagrant incidents of hatred are those which murder their victims, like the suicide bombers do. That is flat out hatred. Racism isn't the word for it. It encompasses all humanity in it's crime.

No thanks, I prefer a wall to living with hatred like that.

[Muddleoftheroad]

8. Those who are influencing the vote are Palestinian terrorists

It's amazing how much a few terror bombers killing your children every couple days can make you hate.

[thebigidea]

10. Its amazing that you'll defend even this

oh wait, "amazing" isn't quite the right word - amusing.

[Forkboy]

22. doesn't suprise me in the least

:shrug:

[Gimel]

69. Perhaps

if you lack any feeling for children, the idea leaves no impression.

[Vladimir]

13. Really? Would you accept the

excuse going the other way? No, of course you wouldn't Muddle. Racism is disguisting, whoever is the perpetrator.

[Jack Rabbit]

14. Gee, Muddle, are Israeli Arabs all of a sudden Palestinians?

I thought the whole point was that, at least inside the Green Line, Israel is a democracy and Israeli Arabs have the same rights as Israeli Jews.

Generally, I agree. There are problems, but they are not insurmountable.

However, something like this ought to raise a concern. Racism is rearing its ugly head in proposed legislation. This isn't just a case of some right wing kook spitting on an Israeli Arab for what a Palestinian did. This is a proposal to write racial discrimination into the law. This is the Knesset talking about spitting on all Israeli Arabs for what a few Palestinians do. This is a proposal to make write racism into the law.

When Palestinians in the occupied territories see their homes destroyed to make way for housing in which they cannot live that is accessed on roads on which they cannot travel, you rationalize such injustices by saying that they aren't Israeli citizens, conveniently overlooking the fact that these injustices are happening outside Israel.

Well, this time we are talking about a proposal for the Israeli state to do injustice to Israeli citizens living inside Israel.

Suicide bombings today and a past history of pogroms and even the Holocaust do not excuse it.

[The Magistrate]

15. In This Case, My Friend

It is to be hoped that, as Eitam complains, "a small party" will continue to influence and mould the agenda of society, and that the law will fail in the Knesset. A well-regulated democracy, after all, safeguards against majoritarian tyranny, as well as authoritarian tyranny.

Though it is unfortunate, it does not much surprise me that most Israeli Jews, if asked secretly, say they do not want Arabs for neighbors. It would surprise me if, asked to answer secretly, most Europeans indicated a desire for Arab neighbors, or if most whites in our country indicated a desire for non-white neighbors. This sort of affiliational bigotry is a universal human trait, that requires some concious struggle against by every individual.

[Jack Rabbit]

16. Agreed, objectively

Yes, we may hope that the legislation fails. At this point, that is the best for which we can hope.

This sort of affiliational bigotry is a universal human trait, that requires some concious struggle against by every individual.

That is also true. We certainly see too much of that kind of bigotry on both sides of this conflict. A conscious struggle against it must be waged. However, such a struggle is aided by public discussion giving that bigotry its proper name. Politicians like Eitam attempt to validate that bigotry. Those who validate and rationalize racism deserve censure.

[The Magistrate]

18. Indeed, Sir

Eitam and his National Religious Party are tremendous retrograde elements in the polity of Israel, fairly analogous to the Christian Right in our own country, and not too dissimilar to Hamas in the polity of Arab Palestine.

[tinnypriv]

20. Him and his kooks

Are the guys who control Jewish settlement policy.

One of Eitam's buddies is the member of "Towards the City of David", an ultra-loon settlement organisation - he actually heads the Housing Ministry (director-general I think).

These guys are so extreme even the Israeli AG had to rebuke 'em the other day. :eyes:

All this is kinda like Arafat putting the PA security services in the hands of Rantissi.

I think you're wrong to compare them to the Christian Right though - they are far more "mainstream" in Israel than that, as the demo in Gush Katif indicated.

[The Magistrate]

21. The Christian Right, Sir

Is too damned mainstream by half in this country....

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

32. it seems your opinion of the influence of the christian right

in the US has changed with time

yes?

[The Magistrate]

34. Hard To Say, Sir

Your meaning is unclear.

That movement has for at least two decades exerted such an influence on one of the two major parties here that it has been impossible for me to support any Republican for any office, whatever my opinion of that figure as a person, because any support for a Republican does in some degree register as support for the Christian Right. A conservative estimate would be that about a sixth of votes cast in national elections are committed to that movement, and a claque that size is quite sufficient to distort a democratic process.

You are probably refering to my occassional statements that Islamic fundamentalism is the most virulently reactionary movement with a mass following on the planet, and attempting to suggest that this is somehow contradicted in the comments above. It does not seem so to me.

[Lithos]

19. Case in point

Those who validate and rationalize racism deserve censure.

The Bell Curve here.

And yes, Racism is a trait that results from a competitive and fearful view of the world where physical or cultural traits become a "team jersey". Very much related to the "you're either with us (because you wear the right 'team jersey', or against us" type of mentality.

L-

[Gimel]

67. To some extent it's true

The Arabs inside Israel are actually calling themselves Palestinians. It has become fashionable.

[Jack Rabbit]

78. I was addressing another poster directly

That individual made it point to say that there are no Palestinians in Israel and that all Arabs living in Israel are Israelis (i.e., Israeli citizens) with equal rights.

Frankly, I don't give two bits for what the Arab minority in Israel calls itself as long as Israeli Arabs have equal rights with Jews in a democratic Israel in fact as well as on paper. That includes the right to purchase property and to not have their homes demolished to make way for housing where they cannot live.

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[Forkboy]

23. Yesterday you claimed it wasn't hate but survival

which excuse is the one you're gonna stick with?

[Classical_Liberal]

24. Then I guess I can rightly blame Mr Sharon for antisemitism

and you won't bitch.

[newyorican]

25. Did you read the article?

It is not about Palestinians. Some advise, strap down your knee, open your eyes and read before you embarrass yourself further.

[newyorican]

35. Maybe I missed the response...

Did you *read* the article muddle?

[wuushew]

36. We are gathered here today to pay final respects to our honored dead....

[newyorican]

37. oh...

n/t

[The Magistrate]

44. Indeed, Sir...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=115392

"To a bloody war and a sickly season!"

[brainshrub]

46. Oh, we hardly knew thee

[Violet_Crumble]

29. Are you justifying this racism??

I certainly hope not. There is NO justification for racism, and no matter who it's aimed at, it's an ugly and damaging thing that causes discrimination and persecution of people based on nothing more than what colour or ethnicity they are...

On the other side of yr argument, I'm sure everyone will now see you popping up patiently explaining how for Palestinians the IDF killing yr children on a daily basis can make them hate?

Violet...

[neverborn]

33. You actually defend this?

You claim that this is justified, yet reference the Holocaust so often....?

[sushi]

50. I agree

It's also amazing how being denied a state for decades can make you hate.

[number6]

26. Religious discrimination period

eom :(

[newyorican]

28. seems to be...

more all-encompassing than just religion...more like a superiority complex, an acute case at that.

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[newyorican]

39. interesting...

completely off-topic, but interesting...

The topic is about a poll revealing that the majority of Israeli Jews hold racist beliefs and, apparently, see nothing wrong with it.

Are you in the correct thread?

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[newyorican]

41. even more interesting...

You place the word Bigoted in quotes, even though neither the article nor I have used that term. You then conclude that the term, no one but yourself has used in this discussion, is not the appropriate term because it applies to everyone. It does not.

You also mention "Palestinians" when the article clearly states this is about Israeli citizens (Israeli Arabs in this case).

While your response appears to spring from some intelligence, it also appears to be rather confused and unfocused.

[Classic_Liberal712]

42. well i assumed people thought it was bigoted for israelis

to hold what racist beliefs. though i may be confused and unfocused i just finished my spring term of college everything i learned is beginning to slip away, thank god for summer

[newyorican]

43. something we agree on...

thank whomever for summer. My fav of all 4 seasons.

[Classical_Liberal]

53. Please don't confuse me with this poster.

.

[newyorican]

54. not for a moment...

n/t

[Karmadillo]

30. Not particularly surprising. When one's country has engaged in ethnic

cleansing, when one's country continues to steal land in order to expand its boundaries, when one's country openly discriminates against the victims of those actions, most people would prefer to have the victims out of sight. Perhaps the excerpt below gives some insight into what is happening.

http://www.yellowtimes.org/article.php?sid=1750

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<Benny Morris'> sickness is of the mental-political kind. He lives in a world populated not by fellow human beings, but by racist abstractions and stereotypes. There is an over-abundance of quasi-poetic images in the interview, as if the mind is haunted by the task of grasping what ails it: "The Palestinian citizens of Israel are a time bomb," not fellow citizens. Islam is "a world in which human lives don't have the same value as in the West." Arabs are "barbarians" at the gate of the Roman Empire. Palestinian society is "a serial killer" that ought to be executed, and "a wild animal" that must be caged.

Morris' disease was diagnosed over forty years ago, by Frantz Fanon. Based on his experience in subjugated Africa, Fanon observed that "the colonial world is a Manichean world. It is not enough for the settler to delimit physically, that is to say, with the help of the army and the police, the place of the native. As if to show the totalitarian character of colonial exploitation, the settler paints the native as a sort of quintessence of evil … The native is declared insensitive to ethics … the enemy of values. … He is a corrosive element, destroying all that comes near it … the unconscious and irretrievable instrument of blind forces" (from "The Wretched of the Earth"). And further down, "the terms the settler uses when he mentions the native are zoological terms" (let's not forget to place Morris' metaphors in the context of so many other Israeli appellations for Palestinians: Begin's "two-legged beasts", Eitan's "drugged cockroaches" and Barak's ultra-delicate "salmon"). Morris is a case history in the psychopathology of colonialism.

more...

[Aussie_Hillbilly]

31. That is one chilling article. Thanks for posting

If Morris is a member of the 'Left', why does Israel have a Right-wing?

He is advocating the exact same policies as a certain European regime did sixty years ago. He even uses the same imagery...

Gives me goosebumps.

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[newyorican]

55. The usual suspects are AWOL...

from this thread. Odd. Must be too damn, damning to do a damn thing other than ignore the damn poll.

[newyorican]

56. Is someone...

accusing the EU of bias?

"There's an apropos saying about pointing out a mote in someones eye, while failing to notice the beam in your own."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x68550

[newyorican]

57. kick for racists on the rise...

you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him do the backstroke...

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[Forkboy]

87. It can become so

so,no,not "end of story".

[Jim Sagle]

88. Of course it can. But I feel confident in saying that by and large

it hasn't.

[Name removed]

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[geek tragedy]

95. Old freaking news.

Do people realize that this article was from 2002, and that the legislation was defeated?

Not to excuse the racism, mind you. I wonder what percentage of people living in Boston, London, or Paris would welcome Arabs as neighbors. Racism speaks many languages.

[Gimel]

98. Thanks, Geek

The bill was defeated on July 14, 2002 according to JPost archives. This thread should have been shelved long ago also.

[Lithos]

99. Hmm, good catch

I missed that piece when I read it...

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