Palestinians Fight Each Other Amid Israel Offensive

[Herschel]

Fighting between Palestinians erupted in the Gaza Strip Wednesday, killing a civilian, as Israel pursued an offensive against Palestinian militants in the region, witnesses and medics said.


A Palestinian security force statement said 17 people were wounded in a gunfight in Gaza City that began when Palestinian military intelligence officers stopped a car with blacked-out windows carrying Hamas militants outside their headquarters.


Medics said the man who was killed was wearing civilian clothes. The force statement said all casualties were caused by grenades thrown by Islamist militants from the car. Hamas blamed security force gunfire for the casualties.


After the clash, Palestinian troops deployed in force outside the main military complex headquarters and the situation was tense.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040317/wl_nm/mideast_palestinians_clash_dc_2

Under IDF attack and with crime exploding, Palestinians are turning their guns on one another. Fascinating.

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[Herschel]

2. Indeed

suffering of innocents is unfortunate. Yet, watching them turn their arms on one another rather than their traditional victim, Israel, is interesting.

[redqueen]

4. You say 'unfortunate'. I say 'tragic'.

Bush says us killing all those Iraqi children is 'unfortunate' as well.

There is a hardness of the soul I think that has to take place in order to view the murder of innocents as anything less than tragic. Just MHO.

[Muddleoftheroad]

3. Terror groups fighting one another

Is indeed fascinating. That the Palestinian people don't rise up and demand something better is amazing.

No to UN troops who would simply serve as guardians of the terror bases.

[redqueen]

5. We just disagree

It's not just terror groups getting killed.

That Palestinian people don't rise up is no surprise to me. I imagine they don't get much outside information either. Why don't we 'rise up' against bush? He's already led and overseen the murder of thousands of innocents in Iraq, right? So what are we waiting for?

Why do you think the UN would guard terror bases?

[Muddleoftheroad]

7. Rising up

The status of the Palestinians has fallen by leaps and bounds since I was in Israel prior to Intifada II. There is no one to blame but Arafat and the terrorists for that. Yet they still support him and terror.

If you think there is a comparison between the U.S. and the PA, you are indeed bad off.

Yes, it's not just terror groups getting killed. It never is when groups fight. But that the Palestinian people do nothing is indeed strange.

The UN would block Israeli access to the Palestinian territory. That would serve to safeguard the home bases of these monsters.

[_Jumper_]

9. What do you expect the Palestinian people to do?

How can they rebel against a regime like the PA, especially since the PA controls the media?

Do you blame Israelis for supporting the occupation despite all the trouble it has caused them?

[Muddleoftheroad]

15. How can they rebel?

Pretty easily. Get together and fight back.

I don't blame Israelis for defending their state from terror.

[_Jumper_]

21. Pretty easy?

How often have people just got up and overthrown dictatorships?

[Muddleoftheroad]

31. Often enough

That if they cared they would try.

[drdon326]

32. And isn't that the basic question...

There have been posted multiple studies posted here of the support
of terrorism by the palestinian population and sadly(very sadly)
the support ranges from 52% to 65%.

It appears, based on these studies , the palestinian people
SEEM to have no desire to eliminate them.

If someone has contradictory studies ,I would be elated to
read them.

[Fight_n_back]

29. Three questions there

What do you expect the Palestinian people to do?"
surrender and sue for peace

How can they rebel against a regime like the PA, especially since the PA controls the media?

The same way anyone ever rebels against anyone else, by rebelling.

Do you blame Israelis for supporting the occupation despite all the trouble it has caused them?

I blame Clinton's penis

[_Jumper_]

30. How many veritable rebellions are there against dictatorships?

n/t

[Fight_n_back]

34. "veritable"?

Hmmm...ours was against a king.

Lets list some others

Cuba
El Salvador
Bolivia
Mexico
Nicaragua

...thats our hemisphere

France
Russia
Phillipines


gosh...seems like most of them actually. It would be easier if you listed the ones that weren't.

[redqueen]

16. The only comparison is the lack of fighting back

We're not, they're not.

On the UN issue -- they would stop the occupation, you mean?

[Muddleoftheroad]

17. They would limit Israel's ability to defend itself

and give the terrorists a safe haven to build bombs and organize.

[Gimel]

28. They deserve better

The lousy leadership, which kowtows to terror groups using the population as a base, and refusing to round up the terrorists as the first step of the Road Map directed, is doing nothing for the protection and human rights of the Palestinian population.

[Darranar]

6. How...

are the Palestinian security forces a terrorist group?

I thought you wanted them to fight the terrorists. They did, and all you can say is that they are terrorists.

[Muddleoftheroad]

8. If they were trying to shut down the terror groups

I would be all for them. Instead, it is much more like a battle between rival gangs -- like Chicago in the 1920s.

[drdon326]

10. Interesting....

I suspect this type of fighting will increase in the
future. And I certainly hope no innocents get hurt,but
there is a certain irony about the fact that the PA
SECURITY FORCES did next to nothing and gave a "wink
and a nod" to the terrorist scum.....and now that they
let the genie-out-of-the-bottle , they have to deal with
it.

Can't wait for the blubbering of "cycle of violence"

Can't wait for the moaning of " irresponsible" PA security
forces actions.

Cant wait for the whimpering about the "rights" of
the terrorists.


Should be fun to watch.

[GabysPoppy]

11. What we are going to see

is a circular firing squad

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[GabysPoppy]

13. Which weekly casualty report will this fall under

Do you know the cut off day?

[Herschel]

14. I am beginning to doubt

there is one.

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

18. damned if you do

The article is about PA forces against Hamas.

And for some, somehow this is 'now' a bad thing.

But of course Israel will continue it's murderous campaign against it's true targets, civilians. All the while rationalizing any situation into justification for cleansing ...all in the name of poor little israel and her big cowardly sister.

the blind leading the blind

next, stopping a suicide bombing will be bad.

wear it well

B

[Muddleoftheroad]

19. Motive

If I thought the Palestinians actually wanted to stop terror instead of just pull a beatdown on a political opponent, then I would be all for this.

However, you must also remember that Fatah is part of Arafat's little army.

[GabysPoppy]

20. Your post is grossly inaccurate and rather slanderous

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[GabysPoppy]

24. Your post is beyond a rational response

Aside from it being against facts on the ground your generalizations and conclusions are beyond belief.

[_Jumper_]

25. If you say so it must be true

n/t

[_Jumper_]

26. How so?

:)

[GabysPoppy]

27. You have all the answers

you hardly need me to explain it to you

[Violet_Crumble]

33. Yr the one who claimed the post was slanderous...

I hardly think it's fair to assume Jumper can read yr mind, so how's about you explain it? Just be aware that just because opinions may not gel with yr own, that doesn't make those opinions slander...

Violet...

[Aussie_Hillbilly]

22. Great post

Keep it up, Noon_Blue_Apples