Israel army kills Palestinian teenager in Gaza Strip

[Resistance]

Channel News Asia

GAZA CITY : Israeli troops shot dead a Palestinian teenager near a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip, Palestinian medical sources said.

Khaled Madi, 16, was shot in the back by soldiers as he was working in a field belonging to his family near the settlement of Morag in the southern Gaza Strip, the sources and witnesses said Monday.

[Resistance]

1. My what bravery

How courageous to shoot a field worker in the back.

[Gimel]

20. Do you really think

that you know what the situation there was? No way to know what someone actually was doing when "working in his field" is reported. When events happen in this context, one really wonders if it isn't an excellent idea to separate the Palestinians from their fields.

[lefty_mcduff]

21. Huh?

"When events happen in this context, *one really wonders if it isn't an excellent idea to separate the Palestinians from their fields.* "

I'm at a loss with this statement. Please explain...

[Resistance]

25. Hard to stomach isn't it

Frankly, I don't think I want an explanation. I got the meaning loud and clear.

[lefty_mcduff]

2. Oh goodie.

More humane treatment.
More restraint by the glorious IDF.

And I quote - "The loss of life you see now is insignificant compared to what would be if the IDF were as vindictive as you say. "

Word.

[Aidoneus]

3. he was working in a field?!

What was he thinking?! Such offensive behavior as that is practically begging to be shot in the back for.

[lefty_mcduff]

4. Here - let me sum up the responses.

1) The source is not reliable.
2) The kid was probably engaged in suspicious activity
2a) Did you see the photographs of the kids with guns
3) If the terrorists did not operate in this area, this would not happen
4) Sometimes kids are trained as terrorists
5) Collateral damage
6) If the IDF rally let loose, there would be more people dead
7) WHo remembers X___________ (insert terrorist victim here)
8) If the wall was finished, this wouldn't happen (stop resisting the wall)
9) Rachel Corrie was a terrorist sympathizer.
10) Here's a more reliable source (IDF monthly)
11) repeat

[Resistance]

5. yep.

maybe DU could make a form which accompanies articles where one can just come in and check off the excuse they feel works best?

[Gimel]

24. A lot must have been said

in the previous 3 responses that I couldn't read. Maybe it's invisible ink.

[Herschel]

6. "the sources and witnesses said "

Oh, my. Perhaps we should know who these are before diminishing our supply of tissues.

[drewb]

7. LOL...

Be a damn shame to waste good tissues...

:loveya:

[thebigidea]

8. Every one knows that the ONLY reliable source is the IDF

Herschel, is there a single case of a Palestinian civilian being killed that you condemned or even just felt bad about? Just curious.

[Herschel]

16. Of course

the death of innocent civilians is unfortunate. Sadly, we are often led to believe they are innocent when they are not.

[Djinn]

19. of course

to paraphrase "often they're not innocent"...if you never beleive any Palestinian or Palstinian supporters word then this is an easy fallacy to mainatain

Palestinian civilian deaths are "unfortunate" can you imagine how fast I'd be alerted on if I wrote that Israeli civilian deaths were simply "unfortunate"

I think some people in I/P should really just use lefty_mcduff's handy all purpose I/P debate answer matrix for brevity and to save bandwidth

[lefty_mcduff]

22. "lefty_mcduff's handy all purpose I/P debate answer matrix"

I like that...

[Djinn]

64. I'm trying the "laugh

cause it's better than crying" approach here in I/P - although I think I might take a wee break from this forum, I really find it kinda depressing

[Herschel]

23. Regarding Mr. mcduff

I would suggest such a matrix could be developed for all participants. There are many themes repeated by all. I will leave it at that.

[Evil_Dewers]

26. Sadly, we are often led to believe they are innocent when they are not.

Remember that the next time a "homicide bomber" immolates himself and a bunch of "innocent" gun-toting Israeli settlers on a bus. I don't wanna hear you cry me a river about the loss of "innocent life."

[Herschel]

27. Are you suggesting

homicide bombings against settlers are justified? Please!

[Evil_Dewers]

28. I'm suggesting that there are no innocents

according to you, that is.

[Herschel]

29. How dare you

That is untrue.

[Name removed]

30. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Herschel]

31. "You know would would bring peace to the Middle East?100 nuclear missiles"

Oh, my.

[Evil_Dewers]

32. Why isn't Israel a signatory to the NNPT?

How many illegal nukes do they have?

Israeli nukes = good

Iranian nukes = bad

Regardless of party, don't worry about Israel. The K Street Israeli lobby will protect Israel no matter what they do (spy on us with Pollard, attacking the USS Liberty, violate UN resolutions, human rights abuses, robbing Palestinian banks, apartheid rule of occupied territories, etc...)

Israel is governed by right wing terrorists. Alert me for speaking the truth.

[Herschel]

33. We will agree

on the first part of your message.

"Israeli nukes = good

Iranian nukes = bad"

The simple fact is Israel is a stable ally and beacon of democracy in their region. This is the reason for our support. Israel commits no terror. They fight for justice.

[Evil_Dewers]

34. Ariel Sharon is a right winger

and former (or current) terrorist, depending upon your perspective.

[Herschel]

35. Indeed he has many conservative views

However, your claim he is a terrorist is misguided.

[Evil_Dewers]

37. your claim he is a terrorist is misguided

Really?

google Sharon+terrorist

[Herschel]

38. Those two words appearing together

prove nothing.

[Evil_Dewers]

42. From Qibya to Beirut: Ariel Sharon's Bloody Record

THE TERRORIST'S RETURN: THE CRIMES OF SHARON.

Some incorrigible optimists have suggested that only a right-wing extremist of the notoriety of Likud leader Ariel Sharon will have the credentials to broker any sort of lasting settlement with the Palestinians. Maybe so. History is not devoid of such examples. But Sharon?

Sharon's history offers a monochromatic record of moral corruption, with a documented record of war crimes going back to the early 1950s. He was born in 1928 and as a young man joined the Haganah, the underground military organization of Israel in its pre-state days. In 1953 he was given command of Unit 101, whose mission is often described as that of retaliation against Arab attacks on Jewish villages. In fact, as can be seen from two terrible onslaughts, one of them very well known, Unit 101's purpose was that of instilling terror by the infliction of discriminate, murderous violence not only on able bodied fighters but on the young, the old, the helpless.

*more*

http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.counterpunch.org/sharon.html&e=912

[Djinn]

65. Sabra and Chatilla

even the Israeli government found him unfit for political office - too bad they didn't stick with that

[Evil_Dewers]

36. Israel commits no terror. They fight for justice

LOL! If you were unfortunate to be born into poverty as a Palestinian, I'm sure you'd have a quite different perspective on Israel.

[Herschel]

39. Hopefully impoverished Palestinians

will direct their ire toward their leadership. Any fantasies about revenge on Israel will lead to their doom.

[Evil_Dewers]

40. Speaking of fantasies

It seems you have decided to overlook Mr. Sharon's past as a terrorist.

I'll admit Arafat was a terrorist. But you are in denial about Sharon.

[Herschel]

41. Please feel free

to provide us with links. We are all open minded and progressive.

[Evil_Dewers]

43. links

http://www.google.com/search?client=lgtech-tb&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Sharon+terrorist&btnG=Google+Search

[Herschel]

47. Gibberish

This is search encompassing two words. Direct me to a reputable link.

[drewb]

44. I like chicken, I like liver...

meow mix, meow mix, please deliver...

:loveya:

[Evil_Dewers]

45. links

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j020501.html

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2002/480/480p16b.htm&e=912

[Herschel]

46. A reliable source

would be appreciated.

[Evil_Dewers]

48. A reliable source would be appreciated

Like JPost? Or Little Green Footballs?

Those "sources" seem to be where you get your Rachel Corrie smears.

[Herschel]

52. The Jerusalem Post

would do nicely.

[Evil_Dewers]

54. Why on earth would you consider JP to be a reliable source?

JP is Fox News Channel's rah rah reich wing counterpart.

[Herschel]

56. Reliable and comprehensive

-

[Name removed]

57. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Herschel]

58. Mr. Hyperbole?

Please!

[Evil_Dewers]

59. It was deleted

call me Mr. Incredulous.

[Djinn]

66. Is the Israeli Government a reliable source for you

A 1983 Israeli investigation found that Mr Sharon - as defence minister of the Israeli forces - was indirectly though personally responsible for the massacres.

I think if an Israeli investigation showed a patricular Palestinian as "indirectly although PERSONALLY responsible for suicide bombings that would be enough to consider him a terrorist don't you?

I don't really know what else to call someone who orchestrated the slaughter of men women and children, I'm funny that way

[lefty_mcduff]

61. Yeah.

Fucking typical. The most impoverished, down-trodden, powerless, disenfranchised, uneducated, poorly organized are expected by the 'powers that be' to exact change, while Israel and her all-powerful IDF cannot - regardless of how much money and arms the USA pours in.

Ridiculous notion.

[lefty_mcduff]

62. Two words.

Rogue State.

[drewb]

63. Two words are ok, apparently repeating it 100 times is not...

Chalk it up to another lesson learned...

:loveya:

[lefty_mcduff]

9. Right on cue.

#1

[Herschel]

10. Begging your pardon

Anticipating a response does not invalidate it.

[thebigidea]

11. no, but it makes the response that much funnier.

Mind answering #8 up there?

[lefty_mcduff]

12. Maybe not.

But it's still frikkin' hilarious...

[Forkboy]

13. Butterflies

[_Jumper_]

15. Herschel

Why won't you answer post #8?

[Herschel]

17. Very well

-

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

55. Here, have a burger

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x58179

[Evil_Dewers]

60. Your answer is

-

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

49. You guys should start with something easier

Like this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x58179

[Scurrilous]

14. Israeli Soldiers Kill 2 Palestinians with Same Name

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=4522486

<snip>

"Israeli troops shot and killed a Palestinian grocer and a teenage student -- both carrying the same name -- in separate incidents in the West Bank and Gaza Strip on Monday."

<snip>

"Palestinian security sources said Khaled Madi, 16, was helping his father in the family fields in southern Gaza during a school holiday when Israeli soldiers opened fire on them killing the boy. Medics said Madi was shot in the head."

<snip>

"Later on Monday, Israeli undercover soldiers shot dead a 30-year-old Palestinian grocer in the West Bank town of Salfit while trying to arrest a man suspected of being a member of a militant group linked to Palestinian President Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement.

Medics said the grocer, also named Khaled Madi, was one of three people wounded in the incident, including the suspected militant, and that he died of a critical gunshot wound to the abdomen while on the way to hospital."

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

50. Sarah Connor? (nt)

[Evil_Dewers]

51. LOL

Finally, some humor. I thought that humor was against the rules in the I/P topic.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

53. I'm a tourist. I come from... THE LOUNGE! (The horror, the horror!) (nt)

[dArKeR]

18. Israelis shoot teen in the head

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=3&art_id=qw1078788062652B253&set_id=1