Why can't US politicians just say NO to Israel?

[Comadreja]

Why is Senator John Kerry kowtowing to Israel?:

Why can't any US politician say to Israel: "ENOUGH! There's no threat
to your sovereignty! Your problems with the Palestinians are of your own
making! You're the only country in the Middle East with weapons of mass
destruction. With 84 nuclear warheads, you could eliminate any
offending Arab country within minutes." What more do you want?
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[kalian]

1. Shhhh.....

You should know better than asking such questions... :eyes:

[Comadreja]

3. Next post

Will no doubt mention TERRORISM. It's the great mind-stopper that Sharon apologists repeat over and over to blind themselves and hopefully others.

Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles: Ralph Waldo Emerson

[DuctapeFatwa]

2. Israel has the important job of guarding America's oil in the region

It's a key player in helping to keep US defense and energy industries strong!

[Darranar]

5. Exactly, DTF...

It really has little to do with any sort of "Zionist conspiracy".

[ex_jew]

7. Could you please expand on this ?

I've never understood how our support for Israel helps in some way to secure oil supplies. After all, Israel has no oil itself, and we don't use it as a base for our troops. So what is the connection ? I've heard we do it to foment chaos in the region and keep Arab states off balance, but I've never seen any evidence for this. Am I overlooking someting ?

[DuctapeFatwa]

8. The US uses it as a base for weapons. A certain level of conflict is

necessary.

Just imagine for a minute that you wave a magic wand and poof!

Suddenly Israel is transformed into a small, peaceful little country, with friendly, productive relations with its neighbors - all its neighbors, and everybody has about the same amount of minimal weaponry.

The countries with the oil work out agreements with other countries that provide oil to those countries, and give revenue to the people of those countries. The countries themselves have evolved over the years to constitutional monarchies kind of like Western Europe.

People in the oil countries have food, jobs, schools, and doctors. They have freedom of expression, and the power to change their government.

People in the oil business make money, and some are very rich, but laws in the oil countries make sure that both unchecked greed and foreign involvement are limited, and that the bulk of the oil revenue goes to build more schools, and roads, and hospitals.

The reguion is prosperous and peaceful.

Now if I'm in the business of making Apache helicopters, or tanks, or ballistic missiles, lots of anything that kills people and blows stuff up and runs on petroleum-based fuel, how the hell does that pretty little picture fill my wallet?

Why the hell should those Arabs be using that oil money to build schools when I could be using it to buy myself something nice - like a big chunk of Raytheon?

[Fight_n_back]

9. Thats a shallow analysis

you are ignoring that other nations in the world exist beside the US and Israel. Your view is a little arrogant.

If you look at WHEN US aid to Israel began then it will help you understand why she still recieves support.

How many Jews are allowed to LIVE in an Arab nation? How many Arabs are allowed to SERVE in the Isralei government? A better question...how many Arabs are allowed to serve in most Arab goevernments?


It can't be all polemics all the time. Sometimes things really ARE like they seem...

[DuctapeFatwa]

11. I'm not sure those other nations feel the need to use Israel as a weapons

dump. US aid to Israel began even before Israel was created, in a way. If you read the history of Anglo-American activities in the region, way on back to the days of Lawrence and Gertrude and Balfour Oh My! and consider the effects of WWII, not just geopolitically, but industrially as well, look into things that were happening in Arab governments in the 50s - the western Europe model of constitutional monarchy was taking hold, maybe not as much with the monarchs :)

Branch out a little, even. goole mossadeq.

Yes, my illustration above is oversimplified, and I can oversimplify it even further: rich men want more money.

[ex_jew]

12. Thanks for your reply - I will ponder it !

But I still can't understand Israel strictly (or mainly) as a way for weapons dealers to get rich. Surely oil has something to do with it, but our support for Israel would seem (at least to the simple-minded) as likely to antagonize those who have the oil. Was the theory that forcing Arab states to confront a permanent enemy made them easier to manipulate (needing money for weapons which they could only raise through oil sales ) ?

You often refer to U.S. activities as a Crusade, which seems like a good description, and yet of course the previous Crusaders were hardly an industrial or post-industrial society. Is crusading just a hard habit to break ?

[salinen]

4. Isreal is the

51st State.

[madrchsod]

6. because the arabs

are being backed by the soviet union. they recieve aid in the form of money and military weapons. the soviets also have an eye on the oil fields. it is rumored that they are seeking a outlet to the indian ocean that`s why we are backing the nation of israel,they are the last free country in a sea of soviet puppet states.

[plurality]

10. have you been frozen in a cave for the last 15 years?

Soviet puppet states? Those went out with the hair bands.

[Lithos]

13. Locking

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