Israeli troops besiege Arafat's HQ

[Herschel]

Dozens of Israeli troops, backed by at least 10 military jeeps, besieged Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's headquarters at night of March 5 in the West Bank town of Ramallah, Palestinian security sources and witnesses said.The Israeli soldiers prevented any Palestinians from entering in or going out of the headquarters and began to check the residents' IDs and search their cars, they said.

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http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200403/06/eng20040306_136667.shtml

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Always fascinating when little Israel places her hand at the weasel's throat. I suspect he has nothing to fear, yet we can imagime his sqirming and apprehension.

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[Herschel]

2. How dare you

This is a needless attack on a fellow progressive. I will leave it at that.

[Name removed]

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[Herschel]

45. How dare you

Apologize.

[Evil_Dewers]

47. First, apologize for calling yourself a "progressive."

BTW, I don't believe Eichman's final solution for a better Germany was progressive, either.

[Forkboy]

50. *snarf*

[Herschel]

51. I would thank you

to not question my status as a progressive. I will return the favor.

[drdon326]

3. "You are the energizer bunny of racist condescension...." ??

nice mike_c.....reeeeeal nice


"You have nothing to contribute to any debate other than bile and hatred. Go away, Herschel. Take your "little Israel" with you. Please find some other discussion board to defecate upon."

wow..........thats quite a statement.

exactly how is Hershel engaged in "racial condescension"??

[Herschel]

19. I am puzzled, my friend

by these charges.

[lefty_mcduff]

22. Perhaps if you avoided such comments as

"Sadly, this so called torture of *Arab* suspects is necessary." folks would be less likely to hurl such unfounded charges.

[Herschel]

25. Hopefully I am free to express more pragmatic views

without being attacked.

[lefty_mcduff]

27. Oh that's rich...

'Pragmatic'.
That's what we're calling these days? Well, okay....

[Resistance]

34. it's just not as "extreme Leftist"

as, y'know, putting human rights first, or things like calling on terrorism from both sides to end, denouncing killings of all civilians, not just those from one side, criticizing theft of land and murders of peace activists etc.

Get the point?

:party:

[Herschel]

46. Well said

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[Forkboy]

48. heh

:silly:

[lefty_mcduff]

4. The IDF feeling a little put upon?

A little chest-thumping to regain their macho, tough-guy image? Maybe their self-esteem has been knocked around a little with all the bad press they've been getting.

Pushing around Arafat in his demolished HQ always seems to make these 'crack' troops feel a little better about themselves.

But other than that, what exactly do you think this goofball action will accomplish?

[Chicago Democrat]

5. Israel acts like thugs and gangsters.

Sharon is a corrupt fat jerk. In this assymetrical conflict, the US is generally on the wrong side. Honest Broker? Feh!

Pro-Israeli/Pro-Sharon lobby can bite me and vote Republican (which they will anyway)

[GabysPoppy]

6. You are incorrect

about the Jewish vote. Both in the past, present and future.

[Chicago Democrat]

7. We shall see.

I have faith in Jews and the Jewish vote; I really really like and love them. Most are liberal and extremely progressive and cute, sexy, wise, intelligent and handsome. I think large noses are quite attractive and enjoy hearing Yiddish.

No I said and meant the Pro-Sharon/Pro-Israel lobby which must be thrilled with Bush who has given Sharon carte blanche to engage in collective punishment and other gross human rights violation. Israel's actions since 9/11 have exacerbated an already untenable situation and the US has done jack squat to stop it.

One must really ask why and the most likely explanation is the NEOCONs desire to court the Israeli lobby by appearing as rabidly anti-Palestinian as Sharon is.

[Gimel]

23. How could the PM

support the Palestinians in this? Are suicide attacks what you call legitimate?

Sharon is supporting a two-state solution, or maybe you are unaware of the latest developments.

[Herschel]

18. You two

Arafat is a killer. Keeping him caged and occasionally prodded in his crumbling compound is a good thing.

[Darranar]

20. How exactly is it constructive?

[lefty_mcduff]

21. Yeah, makes the goons in the IDF

feel all tough and stuff...

[Herschel]

24. A slur

against the brave IDF is unwarranted. All but a handful are courageous and humane. Be glad.

[lefty_mcduff]

26. Glad of what?

That the 'brave' IDF, financed by billions of $US, spend half their time pushing around a feeble old man in a bombed out husk of a building? All so that they feel macho and stuff?

Between that, they''re blowing away kids, shooting into civilian areas from armor-plated Apache helicopters and T1 tanks. As a side gig, they freelance at holding up banks, ripping up olive trees and the usual testosterone crap. Sometimes they even stop terrorist attacks, but generally that's because the terrorist is stupider than they are, and manages to blow him/herself up without harming any innocent civilians.

Whatever. They're punks. Well armed, well financed. But punks non-the-less. If it's two legs, a zipper, pockets and belt loops pretty safe bet it's a pair of pants. You can call it a fire truck, but it's still pants.

The only that I'm glad about is that they're not 'my' army.

[Herschel]

28. Begging your pardon

Be glad of their humane treatment of the Palestinian population. Their intention is to engage and defeat terrorists. They bring justice. If there were true malice against the Palestinians, the carnage would be remarkable.

[lefty_mcduff]

29. I guess that's were we part ways...

I think the carnage *is* remarkable. And I think the Palestinians have had about as much 'humane treatment' as they can stomach, don't you?

And if their intention is to 'engage and defeat terrorists' we can add incompetent cluster-fucks to my previous description. It's not often they manage to do that without blowing some innocent away. While phrasing it in a much more sophisticated manner, the former head of the Shin Bet agrees with me, not you.

"It seems that in the past few years Israel has lost its ability to hurt armed Palestinians without also hurting innocent civilians, including children," former Shin Bet chief Ami Ayalon said in a harsh reaction to the IDF operation in two Gaza Strip refugee camps Sunday, in which 15 Palestinians were killed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x58318

Word.

[Herschel]

30. Innocents are often taken down

when killers hide amongst them. The loss of life you see now is insignificant compared to what would be if the IDF were as vindictive as you say.

[lefty_mcduff]

31. "Loss of life is *insignificant*"

Noted.

[GabysPoppy]

32. That wasn't what was said

[lefty_mcduff]

33. Really?

Let's quote *exactly* what was said -

"The loss of life you see now is insignificant compared to what would be if the IDF were as vindictive as you say. "

That better?

[Herschel]

37. An accurate quote

of a valid point. Well done.

[lefty_mcduff]

38. Why - thank you.

Your dismissive attitude towards uneccessary deaths still shines through - loud and clear.

BTW - the truncated quote was because the original quote was too long to post in the Subject Line.

Gloating was probably a tad premature...

[Herschel]

39. Quite welcome

I stand by my statement, when quoted correctly.

[Resistance]

35. Yes it was

[donsu]

8. I was just over at debka and noted this:

"Debka file reports: Three US officials returning to Jerusalem are coming to ascertain Israel does not act without Washington's assent."

(this was the 5th paragraph down)

www.debka.com


I was wondering who the returning 3 US officials were and just what "act" Washington wants to approve or not?

[Lithos]

42. Dekba is not a particularly valid source

I think they are less accurate than a stopped clock and definitely out there when making claims.

L-

[Forkboy]

9. Again?

[drdon326]

10. Yeah.....i'm shocked too

hopefully they'll get this one right.

Hi Forkboy....how are you??

[Forkboy]

11. uh,tough night last night

my head hurts :)

Southern Comfort is really no comfort at all,at least on an empty stomach :puke:

[drdon326]

12. Thats why I stick to Stoly's.

lol

[drdon326]

13. BTW...In light of the current climate....

in no way should my post be construed as a personal attack.

[Forkboy]

14. lol,I'm not alerting it

but we can barely post anything other than "Hi,how are you" apparently without it getting yanked.It's really fucking sad down here right now.

And this will get 2 weeks banning at least.

[drdon326]

15. Thats it !!

we'll change I/P to...

INTOXICATION/PLASTERED.

and presto....no problem.

[Forkboy]

16. lol

I'm just posting the word "butterflies" from now on.

That will probably get deleted as an insult to catepillars though :shrug:

[drdon326]

17. LOL

SORRY...I HAD TO HIT THE ALERT BUTTON.

[drewb]

36. Yeah.... Yeah... Yeah...

Grab that fucking weasel by his fucking throat and squeeze the fucking life out of him... Make an example of him.

They're born terrorists so let's fucking choke the fuck out of them.

:loveya:

[Herschel]

40. Well said

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[drdon326]

41. I love when you talk that way....

"Grab that fucking weasel by his fucking throat and squeeze the fucking life out of him... Make an example of him."

I got a WOODY that won't quit.

[Evil_Dewers]

44. three inches ain't really a woody.

[drdon326]

49. lol

thats cute.....i guess when youve seen 3 inches your entire life,

you tend to project that to everyone else.

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[drdon326]

53. pbbbbbbt

nice try.

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