A year of silence since Rachel Corrie died

[Scurrilous]

http://www.iht.com/articles/508556.html

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"Only a year ago, the month of March would have held the same positive associations for me as it has for many - the beginning of the end of winter, the promise of springtime and even summer. This year, and for every year for the rest of my life, the approach of March will mean something else entirely - the anniversary of the brutal death of my cousin, Rachel Corrie.
.
On March 16, 2003, an Israeli soldier and his commander ran over Rachel with a nine-ton Caterpillar bulldozer while she stood - unarmed, clearly visible in her orange fluorescent jacket - protecting a Palestinian home slated for demolition by the Israeli army.

The death of Rachel Corrie, and the response that her case has - and has not - received, reveal several disturbing, indeed immoral and criminal, truths."

<snip>

"As we approach March 16, residents and citizens of the United States should ask themselves how it is that an unarmed U.S. citizen can be killed with impunity by a soldier from an allied nation receiving massive U.S. aid, using a product manufactured in the United States by a U.S. corporation and paid for with U.S. tax dollars. When three Americans were killed, presumably by Palestinians, in an explosion on Oct. 15, 2003, as they traveled through Gaza, the FBI came within 24 hours to investigate the deaths. After one year, neither the FBI nor any other U.S.-led team has done anything to investigate the death of an American killed by an Israeli.

Why the double standard? Perhaps this reveals the most disturbing truth of all."

[Resistance]

1. it's absolutely intolerable

that Israel could get away with killing her, while the United States looks away in silence.

It was a murder.

[DenverDem]

2. If we aren't going to investigate 3000 deaths of citizens

killed by Israel why would we investigate one more.

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11. I don't understand how it can be murder

She could of stepped out of the way. But she chose not to. Sounds more like suicide to me.

[Evil_Dewers]

16. She could of stepped out of the way. But she chose not to.

"Sounds more like suicide to me."

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The IDF soldier driving the bulldozer could have stopped. He probably just thought she was another expendable (crazy) Palestinian who deserved it. Imagine his surprise when he found out he murdered an American!

[meti57b]

18. Obviously, the driver could not and did not see her.

[Evil_Dewers]

19. Obviously, the driver could not and did not see her.

I think she was wearing an orange vest in an open field.

Obviously, the driver was blind.

[Evil_Dewers]

20. Obviously, the driver could not and did not see her

Click on this link:

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Statement_Rachel_Corrie_031703.htm

Though I cannot vouch for the veracity of the site, the pictures are too gruesome to post here.

[GabysPoppy]

21. You are aware that these pictures have been debunked.

Especially the one of Rachel with the bull horn.

1) Different vehicle

2) Totally different time of the day

Maybe you would like to tell us why you chose these pictures.

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[GabysPoppy]

26. Seeing as I gave you the reason

you can find them yourself. If you care.

BTW - helpful hint: Lose the picture (strange web site for one who doesn't care) also considering your final statement about spreading the hatred from "anti-Semite wack job sites"

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38. Mr. Smith says otherwise here (note Saffold's comment too)

"It's possible they were not as disciplined as we would have liked," Thom Saffold, a founder and organizer of the International Solidarity Movement, said in a telephone interview from the group's base in Ann Arbor, Mich. "But we're like a peace army. Generals send young men and women off to operations, and some die."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A35126-2003Mar16¬Found=true

There wasn't enough action for Corrie. According to a fellow Evergreen State College student, Joseph Smith, 21, who was at the site, Corrie dropped her bullhorn and sat down in front of one of the bulldozers. She fully expected that the driver would stop just in front of her. "We were horribly surprised," Smith told me by phone from Rafah the day after the incident. "They had been careful not to hurt us. They'd always stopped before," he said.
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The strange thing about this part of the story is the discrepancy over the photos given to the press and posted on several pro-Arab websites.

As Smith describes to me his version of events, I ask about the series of photos printed in an Arab newspaper I picked up the morning after the incident, in Jerusalem's Old City. "They aren't of the actual incident," he states firmly. "We'd been there for three hours already, we were tired, we already had a lot of pictures."
Yet these are the pictures used on the ISM website,
"http://www.palsolidarity.org"
www.palsolidarity.org to document the before and after of Rachel's interaction with the bulldozer. The same pictures are featured as a photo-essay on the site of Electronic Intifada, (http://electronicIntifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml) where they're even attributed to Joseph Smith.

There are several shots of the back of a woman with a blond ponytail facing a bulldozer. She's standing in an open field, wearing an orange fluorescent jacket, holding a megaphone.

Even Michael Shaik, the ISM media coordinator, won't confirm that these are pictures of Corrie taken the day she died. "I'm fairly sure they're of the incident," he tells me by phone from his Bethlehem office. In the same conversation, Shaikh asks me not to contact Joe, Greg or Tom, the Rafah ISM eyewitnesses again directly: "They're still in trauma."

The pictures should have raised all kinds of questions to photo editors, but all the major newspapers and wire services chose to run the photos regardless. If there are pictures of Rachel before and after, why didn't the same photographer consider it important to document the act of the bulldozer running her down?

Where is the mound of earth Rachel clambered up and was buried in? The woman shown lying bleeding from her nose and mouth is lying on a flat piece of ground, and she's not covered in sand.

http://www.jerusalemdiaries.com/article/83

[Evil_Dewers]

41. Mr. Smith says otherwise here...

According to a fellow Evergreen State College student, Joseph Smith, 21, who was at the site, Corrie dropped her bullhorn and sat down in front of one of the bulldozers. She fully expected that the driver would stop just in front of her. "We were horribly surprised," Smith told me by phone from Rafah the day after the incident. "They had been careful not to hurt us. They'd always stopped before," he said.

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"They'd always stopped before."

Until they ran over Rachel.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,961025,00.html

...snip...

Corrie did not go to Gaza to engage in combat: she went to try to thwart it. Along with her fellow members of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM), she believed that the Israeli military's incursions could be slowed by the presence of highly visible "internationals". The killing of Palestinian civilians may have become commonplace, the thinking went, but Israel doesn't want the diplomatic or media scandals that would come if it killed a US student.

In a way, Corrie was harnessing the very thing that she disliked most about her country: the belief that American lives are worth more than any others - and trying to use it to save a few Palestinian homes from demolition.

Believing her fluorescent orange jacket would serve as armour, Corrie stood in front of bulldozers, slept beside wells and escorted children to school. If suicide bombers turn their bodies into weapons of death, Corrie turned hers into the opposite - a weapon of life, a "human shield".

When that Israeli bulldozer driver looked at Corrie's orange jacket and pressed the accelerator, her strategy failed. It turns out that the lives of some US citizens - even beautiful, young, white women - are valued more than others.

...snip...



Ouch!

[GabysPoppy]

43. Read some more here

Where is the mound of earth Rachel clambered up and was buried in? The woman shown lying bleeding from her nose and mouth is lying on a flat piece of ground, and she's not covered in sand.

So, Corrie was either knocked down by the dozer, or fell in front of it. ISM ers assume that she was intentionally run over, but there's no proof that was the driver's intent.

The real issue is was Rachel alive when she was taken by Palestinian Red Crescent ambulance to Martyr Mohammed Yousef An Najar Hospital? In other words, where did she die? Were adequate efforts made to save her in the hospital?

Again, there are conflicting stories. Joseph Smith tells me in a telephone interview the day after the tragedy, "She died in the hospital or on the way to the hospital." CNN also reported that Rachel died there. (Israeli bulldozer runs over 23-year-old woman. CNN, Monday, March 17, 2003)

In his account posted on www.arabia.com, ISMer Tom Dale has a slightly different story. On March 17 he writes: "I ran for an ambulance, she was gasping and her face was covered in blood from a gash cutting her face from lip to cheek. She was showing signs of brain hemorrhaging. She died in the ambulance a few minutes later of massive internal injuries."

But Dr. Ali Mussa, director of Martyr Mohammed Yousef An Najar Hospital where Corrie was taken isn't so clear. On the day of the event, Dr. Mussa tells AP Gaza reporter Ibrahim Barzak that Rachel died in the hospital. (American Killed in Gaza. AP. March 16, 2003)

One week later, in a telephone interview with me, Dr. Mussa states definitively that Rachel died at the scene, "in the soil," as he puts it. The main cause of death was suffocation, Mussa asserts. There were no signs of life, no heartbeat or pulse when she arrived at the hospital, he says. Mussa states that Rachel's ribs were fractured, a fact determined by X-rays. (Is it normal procedure to X-ray a dead body?)

Doesn't quite jive with the photo essay on the pages of the Electronic Intifada website for March 16, 2003. (Photo story: Israeli bulldozer driver murders American peace activist by Nigel Parry and Arjan El Fassed, The Electronic Intifada, 16 March 2003.
http://electronicIntifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml"


A caption under one photo of doctors leaning over a female patient reads: Rachel arrived in the Emergency Room at 5:05 p.m and doctors scrambled to save her. By 5:20 p.m, she was gone. Ha'aretz newspaper reported that Dr. Ali Mussa, a doctor at Al Najar, stated that the cause of death was skull and chest fractures. Dr. Mussa told me he was one of the treating physicians, yet he alone maintains that Rachel was dead before she was put into the ambulance.

To further complicate matters, on that same website, a report from the Palestine Monitor is cited. Here, the writer says that Rachel fractured her arms, legs and skull. She was transferred to hospital, where she later died.

Just who is Dr. Ali Mussa? Clearly a man in favor with the Palestine Authority hierarchy. Dr. Mussa's views are aired on the official website of the PA's Ministry of Planning and International Cooperation: (January 27, 2003)

There, Dr. Mussa accuses Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's "terrorist government" of deliberately killing Palestinian children in Rafah.

A few days after the incident, ISM Media Coordinator Shaik tells me by phone from Rafah that three ISMers, Tom, Alice and Greg were in the ambulance with Rachel. She died in the ambulance on the way to the hospital, says Michael. But Greg Schnabel, 28, who is quoted in numerous wire service and newspaper stories, never says he witnessed the death of his comrade in the ambulance. In his account published a few days later on the ISM website, he carefully states that she died twenty minutes after arriving at the hospital.

What happened to Rachel's body after her death? Depends who you ask. Dr. Mussa says it was kept for 24 hours at the hospital before a Red Crescent ambulance transported it to the US Embassy in Tel Aviv, via the border where an Israeli ambulance took over. l Shaik says "we lost track of it (her body) after she died." Three ISMers tried to escort the body, but only one was permitted on the ambulance on the Israeli side. According to his account, the ambulance drove straight to the Israeli Forensic Institute at Abu Kabir, where an autopsy was performed. The Israelis are trying to say she died from a blow to the head by a rock, Shaikh recounts.

Speaking about the autopsy, one of Rachel's ISM trainers, Iowa native LeAnne Clausen, a fieldworker for the Christian Peacemaker Team based in Beit Sahour, tells me: "The general sentiment within ISM is that the Israelis are trying to suggest perhaps Rachel was on drugs."

In reality, IDF spokesperson Dellal says that initial Israeli investigation results indicate that the cause of death was most likely a blow to the head and chest by a blunt object, possibly a chunk of cement dug up by the bulldozer.

In keeping with ISM sympathies, Rachel received a shaheed (martyr) procession in Rafah, the day after her death. But here again, there's confusion between reality and photo op. Some accounts noted that her coffin draped in an American flag was paraded through the streets. Yet a picture on the site of her college towns peace movement, the Olympia Movement for Justice and Peace ( http://www.omjp.org/rachelphotos.html"
www.omjp.org/rachelphotos.html) shows Arab women holding a coffin covered by a Palestinian flag with the caption: Palestinian funeral for Rachel.


You might also supply the answer to why there were not more photos taken at the time if the picture of Rachel standing with the bull horn preceded the accident. While your at it, explain to me why there is sunshine in one picture and dusk (indicating hours between the photos) in the other.

[Evil_Dewers]

44. Read some more here

I'd post Rachel's autopsy photos here, but you'd probably claim they were faked and/or they'd be deleted by a mod for being too gross.

[GabysPoppy]

45. Thanks for not answering

BTW - where did she die?

a) In the field

b) In the ambulence

c) In the hospital

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[GabysPoppy]

47. Trying to pick a version is a bitch.

A caption under one photo of doctors leaning over a female patient reads: Rachel arrived in the Emergency Room at 5:05 p.m and doctors scrambled to save her. By 5:20 p.m, she was gone. Ha'aretz newspaper reported that Dr. Ali Mussa, a doctor at Al Najar, stated that the cause of death was skull and chest fractures. Dr. Mussa told me he was one of the treating physicians, yet he alone maintains that Rachel was dead before she was put into the ambulance.

snip

To further complicate matters, on that same website, a report from the Palestine Monitor is cited. Here, the writer says that Rachel fractured her arms, legs and skull. She was transferred to hospital, where she later died.

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A few days after the incident, ISM Media Coordinator Shaik tells me by phone from Rafah that three ISMers, Tom, Alice and Greg were in the ambulance with Rachel. She died in the ambulance on the way to the hospital, says Michael. But Greg Schnabel, 28, who is quoted in numerous wire service and newspaper stories, never says he witnessed the death of his comrade in the ambulance. In his account published a few days later on the ISM website, he carefully states that she died twenty minutes after arriving at the hospital.

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So many choices to choose from!!! Even money says I can probably find some more however your choice of (Jooos) with or without your (sic) tells me more than I want to know.

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42. I wouldn't want to have to defend this...

http://www.realnews247.com/bbc_rachel_corrie_report.htm

BBC documentary proves Israeli army murdered Rachel Corrie

by Christopher Bollyn

The BBC has released a remarkable film about the killing of three international peace activists by the Israeli army in the occupied Gaza Strip. Documentary evidence provided in the film strongly suggests that the American Rachel Corrie - and two British activists -were murdered.

Last spring, within a period of seven weeks, one British and one American peace activist were killed by the Israeli army in Rafah, a Palestinian town at the southern end of the occupied Gaza Strip. A second Briton was shot in the head leaving him brain-dead. In two of the cases the Israeli army is being blamed for murder; the third is considered "attempted murder."

An Israeli military bulldozer crushed the 23-year-old American peace activist Rachel Corrie, who was the first to die on March 16, as she tried to prevent it from demolishing a Palestinian doctor's home.

British photographer Tom Hurndall, 22, was left brain dead after being shot in the head by an Israeli soldier on April 11. British cameraman James Miller, 34, was shot by an Israeli sniper as he left a house with two other journalists on May 2.

A recently released 50-minute "hard-hitting" program produced by the British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC) investigated the three killings and provides crucial video evidence. "That's murder," an Israeli soldier said after viewing footage from the film, When Killing is Easy.

When Killing is Easy was shown 4 times to a worldwide audience on the commercial BBC World television network on November 22 and 23. Some cable television viewers in the United States would have been able to view the program.

*Snip*

The three international observers died, or nearly died, at the hands of the Israeli military between the middle of March and the first week of May. Hurndall was shot in the head as he took a Palestinian toddler, who had frozen under Israeli fire, into his arms. Today, Hurndall is brain-dead and is kept alive on life-support equipment.

Tom's father, Anthony, is a lawyer in the City of London. After six weeks of investigation, Hurndall has come to the conclusion that the shooting of his son by Israeli forces is "a case of attempted murder. If Tom dies, and that is a likelihood, then it will be murder," he said.

Jocelyn Hurndall wrote to The Guardian after an Israeli government check for about $12,000, sent to the Hurndall family to pay for "a fraction of the expenses incurred," bounced. When the check finally arrived after five months of negotiations with the Hurndall family, the Israeli government check was not "honored" by the Bank of Israel, Hurndall wrote. "Insufficient funds' was the reason given.

According to evidence provided in Sweeney's film, the IDF report on the shooting of Hurndall is completely wrong about where he was, what he was wearing, and what he was doing when an Israeli soldier shot him in the head.

"It is a mind-numbing task to understand the morality and to use the logic of the Israeli government," Hurndall wrote. "What hope do Palestinians have when such profound disregard and disrespect is shown to humanity, collectively and individually?"

*snip*

Rachel Corrie, the first of the three to die, was using her body to defend the home of Dr. Samir Nasser Allah from an American-made bulldozer used by the Israeli army to demolish the homes of Palestinians. Corrie was a member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM). ISM members stand between the Israeli bulldozers and the homes that the IDF wants to flatten.

Israeli bulldozers have razed thousands of Palestinian homes in the occupied Gaza Strip and the West Bank. The bulldozers are primarily made by the Illinois-based Caterpillar company.

Tom Dale, an ISM eyewitness, had a clear view of the incident: "He knew absolutely she was there. The bulldozer waited for a few seconds over her body and it then reversed, leaving its scoop down so that if she had been under the bulldozer, it would have crushed her a second time. Only later when it was much more clear of her body did it raise its scoop."


"MY BACK IS BROKEN"
"My back is broken," Rachel told Alice Coy, a fellow ISM activist who was with her.

An Israeli pathologist, Dr. Yehudah Hiss, noted that Rachel appeared to have been run over by the bulldozer, Sweeney wrote. Hiss found the cause of death to be "pressure to the chest." Her shoulder blades had been crushed; her spine was broken in five places and six ribs broken. Her face was apparently slashed by the bulldozer blade.

The IDF produced a report that says, "Corrie was not run over by an engineering vehicle." It added, "for good measure" Sweeney says, that Corrie was "hidden from view of the vehicle's operator."

The footage seen in the BBC film proves these statements to be false. The family of Rachel Corrie believes the IDF report to "be a blatant fabrication," Sweeney wrote.

The British cameraman James Miller was shot dead by an Israeli sniper as he left a house in Rafah with two other journalists on the night of May 2. An Associated Press TV News (APTN) cameraman filmed the entire scene.

One of the three journalists held a white flag; Miller was shining a light on the flag and a third journalist held up her British passport. There was no shooting and the area was quiet as the audio track of the film clearly proves.

The three had walked about 60 feet toward an Israeli armed personnel carrier to request safe passage to leave the area when the first shot was fired. "We are British journalists," Saira Shah cried out into the darkness.

"Then comes the second shot, which killed James," Sweeney wrote. "He was shot in the front of his neck. The bullet was Israeli issue, fired, according to a forensic expert, from less than 200 meters <600 feet> away."

The IDF maintains that Miller was shot during crossfire, although no shooting is heard on the APTN tape apart from the two shots fired from the Israeli military vehicle.

When the APTN tape was shown to an Israeli soldier, who is shown in the film, he said the television team did not look like Islamic terrorists and concluded: "That's murder."

[Forkboy]

32. Translation

you can't provide them (unless of course you want to link to LGF).

helpful hint,dont make charges you wont back up.

[Evil_Dewers]

35. FYI

I found a geocities site claiming the pictures were fake, but it contained so much Zionist claptrap and paranoia that I had to dismiss it.

Also, the first page of my google search contained this from freerepublic.com:


FAKE "2nd photo" of Kerry-Fonda at rally
Vanity | Feb. 11, 2002 | Self


Posted on 02/12/2004 2:47:30 PM PST by Madstrider


Hey, Freepers: I don't know who PhotoShopped that fake "2nd photo" of Kerry and Fonda at the antiwar rally, but you should know that you came within AN EYELASH of causing a huge embarassment.

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To: Madstrider
So why didn't anyone care when all those Rachel Corrie/ Bulldozer photos were faked?

46 posted on 02/12/2004 3:10:19 PM PST by TaxRelief

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To: TaxRelief
Right. No one cares about that.

At least there are other pictures of Kerry with Fonda that are real, and no one can do a thing about it.

372 posted on 02/22/2004 6:48:54 PM PST by timduncan
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[Forkboy]

36. Great,now we'll see links to FR here to support their position

:D

[Evil_Dewers]

27. Is the picture of Rachel Corrie wearing an orange vest with a bloody

face and a broken back real or fake?

I'd respect the state of Israel if they actually admitted their mistakes every once in a blue moon. They are almost as bad as the Bush administration.

I'd also respect the backers of Israel if they admitted that Israel's shit does stink--at least sometimes.

Hell, even the Palestinian backers admit that Arafat is a thug terrorist.

[Resistance]

29. hey Evil Dewers

you're debating someone who thinks that the non-violent group who Rachel worked for, the ISM, is no different from Hamas.

(thought you might want to know)

[Evil_Dewers]

31. Thanks.

I love the "true believers."

[Violet_Crumble]

49. They haven't been debunked here...

If they have been, and not in the manner that 'because I say so!' translates as debunking, feel free to share this debunking with me. I've been reading these threads pretty closely and might have missed a credible attempt at debunking, but I'm bored right now and would be interested in finding out if there's anything to the claims...

I'm curious about why some people seem to think that in order to support Israel they must constantly vilify anything to do with the ISM and anyone killed by the IDF. To me, support of Israel doesn't have to come with baggage like that, which in my opinion, actually does a lot more harm to the cause than anyone who really is opposed to the existance of Israel as a state...

Violet...

[Resistance]

51. ideology, for one thing

[GabysPoppy]

53. Let's see where your "Idealogy" really is

Here is your chance to help the Kerry campaign for President.

Answer the the obvious differences listed in post #31 – That earns Kerry a $25 donation.

Then answer why Michael Shaik, the ISM media coordinator, won't confirm that these are pictures of Corrie taken the day she died. In post #38.

Post #38 also raises this question. The pictures should have raised all kinds of questions to photo editors, but all the major newspapers and wire services chose to run the photos regardless. If there are pictures of Rachel before and after, why didn't the same photographer consider it important to document the act of the bulldozer running her down?

Finally in post #38, answer this question.
Where is the mound of earth Rachel clambered up and was buried in? The woman shown lying bleeding from her nose and mouth is lying on a flat piece of ground, and she's not covered in sand.

These answers will raise another $50 for John Kerry.

Now go to post #38 please. Tell us the real location and time of death for this girl.

This answer will raise another $25 for John Kerry for President. All told you have the opportunity to raise $100 to help defeat george bush in November.

[Resistance]

54. Israel murdered Rachel Corrie

All four eyewitnesses to the killing are in complete agreement that it was an intentional act, and I trust them.

You yourself say that the ISM is no different from Hamas, so what could be so troublesome about murdering a terror-loving hatemonger like the little Leftist ISM workers?

[GabysPoppy]

55. That's your answer?

Why won't you help support the overthrow of king george and his thugs? There is a $100 for John Kerry just for your answering the questions posed.

on edit: That's an EXTRA $100 besides the contribution I have already made

[drdon326]

56. (cue in Jeopardy theme song)

Alex...I'll take ISM PROPAGANDA AND LIES FOR 1000 please

[drdon326]

57. And for a bonus question:

Given the clear events of the incident...

Was Saint Rachel standing, sitting, on a mound of dirt or on the bulldozer`s plow when she became a martyr....er....i'm mean killed.

[GabysPoppy]

58. Don, let him/her answer the question

It means another $100 for John Kerry. Any true progressive member of DU who wanted to Unselect the idiot in the WH would jump at the chance.

[Violet_Crumble]

59. A question for you, Gabyspoppy...

Why would you only donate money if someone answers yr question? Shouldn't you be willing to donate regardless of anything? If not, thanks for the heads-up, and I'll up you and donate $200 for John Kerry if you answer the questions I've asked you and/or provide the evidence that you've been asked to provide. Any true progressive member of DU who wanted to Unselect the idiot in the WH would jump at the chance ;)



Maybe it's just me, but wouldn't getting Bush beaten be many times more important than any posts at DU, and if donations can help do that, then people shouldn't be saying they'll donate to Kerry only if someone answers their questions?

Violet...

[Resistance]

60. The questions are utter nonsense

sorry, I won't waste my time with this.

I mean, who knows - maybe Rachel Corrie never really existed and this is just a huge conspiracy plotted out by evil anti-semites and Hamas-loving terror supporters??

Ya just never know, eh???

:crazy:

Have you ever seen pictures of Corrie's parents actually with her when she was alive? Hmmmmmm I wonder why! It's an Evil conspiracy!!!

:crazy:

[GabysPoppy]

61. Enough time was "wasted" with her canonization

You just can't answer the questions.

Embarrassing questions often elicit embarrassing answers.

[Resistance]

62. LOL

Right.

And you can't answer if you've ever seen pictures of her with her family - maybe she never really existed then eh? Hmmmm makes you wonder how big this conspiracy of Hamas-lovers really is!!

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

65. this has turned into a bad stereotype

next we'll be calling for gifts to be given to mods...

after second though...it's been done.

B

[lefty_mcduff]

6. "good-bye pancake queen"

Ahm yes, one would hope you feel sorry for anyone who died needlessly as a result of this fucked-up conflict.

However, your closing line would seem to indicate a lack of compassion that I find, to be honest, remarkable for someone posting to a supposed 'progressive' web site.

Pitiful comment.

[DenverDem]

9. If you want to know what the good dr really thinks

surf over to this abomination.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=57316&mesg_id=57316>

[lefty_mcduff]

12. Yep.

Read it. Reveals a lot...

[Scurrilous]

14. It's laughable...

..how some try to say Rachel died protecting smuggling tunnels. She died protecting the home of a Palestinian physician named Dr. Samir Nasrallah. Dr. Nasrallah was never charged with any type of smuggling activity. His home was scheduled for demolition because it lay within the security strip that Israel was creating along it's border with Egypt. It, along with dozens of other homes in that area of the refugee camp, were bulldozed for merely being in the way. Much like Rachel.

[Evil_Dewers]

17. Right on.

:yourock:

Glad to know somebody else knows the facts.

[Forkboy]

10. It is a sad statement on the poster

Yet they will turn around and wail about a lack of sympathy towards the dead they liked.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

13. THIS IS BEYOND FUCKED UP....

[DenverDem]

7. Israel isn't innocent.

Terrorism is in the eye of the beholder.

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[GabysPoppy]

4. A year of silence?

Certainly not in here.

[Forkboy]

8. I'd like to see both sides

let the dead lie.

[Herschel]

22. I would propose

we observe a year of silence regarding Rachel Corrie in this forum. Unfortunate that a disturbed woman does herself harm and is used by extreme leftists for political gain.

[Resistance]

23. rather touchy subject isn't it

but I wouldn't expect the blatant murder of a peace activist by Israel to be a comfy thing to talk about.

[Herschel]

25. Please!

She stands in front of a bulldozer and is murdered? Oh, my.

[Evil_Dewers]

34. Hey!

If I stand in the street and you purposely run me over with your vehicle when you could have easily avoided me, is that murder?

Probably. But I guess you could claim that since I didn't get out of the way--I deserved to die, especially if you were in such a hurry that you were on your way to bulldoze an innocent doctor's house in order to make way for a "security zone."

Corrie stood her ground in a peaceful protest, putting her trust in that IDF soldier and hoping he wouldn't run her over.

She was mistaken to trust that IDF soldier to have a conscience.

I did see a picture of Corrie burning a fake (paper) American flag, so I guess that she deserved to die.

[lefty_mcduff]

39. Generally

I someone stands in front of a bulldozer, the bulldozer driver stops. Not really a difficult concept.

Seems like non-violent protest brings the same response, and outcome, as violent protest.

[Herschel]

48. You two

There is no conclusive evidence the driver knew she was being crushed. Given this, we can assign responsibility for her death only to her.

[lefty_mcduff]

52. Well of course.

Blaiming the victim is SOP.

[DenverDem]

28. Unfortunate that a whole religion is used by extreme rightists

for political gain.

[Forkboy]

33. FUCKIN CHA CHING!

:thumbsup:

[newyorican]

50. ...

:D

[dudeness]

37. a lot is made of rachels supposed naivety and idealism

i cannot comment on her naivety , but i can comment on her idealism..regardless of the intentional or accidental nature of this incident ..rachel in a way reflected the type of idealism and commitment i can only admire..i consider myself to be an idealist leftist and have for many years aligned my thoughts with those that have resisted tryanny and oppression peacefully..she may be (as claimed by many) misguided and misinformed, however, she had intention and backed it with non-violent action to support those she saw as unfairly treated..this does not make her a terrorist supporter or sympathiser..this makes her a great model for humanity..never before in my 45 years on this planet have i seen the world so divided along religious or economic grounds..people like rachel have made the ultimate sacrifice to bring to our collective attention that powerful states and powerful interests are shaping the future of human existance in their own form..rachel opposed this view and so do I..

[Resistance]

40. wow

excellent commentary! Thanks.

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

64. dude

ness!

wonderful post