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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 01:40 PM
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A 'tribute' to Rachel Corrie
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1078113575924&p=1006953079865



March 16 is the first anniversary of Rachel Corrie's death. I want to thank Corrie for the explosives that flow freely from Egypt to Gaza, via the smuggling tunnels under the Gaza homes that she died defending.

Perhaps it was these explosives that in the year since her martyrdom – oops, death – have been strapped around suicide bombers to blow up city buses and restaurants in Israeli cities, particularly in Jerusalem, killing men, women, and schoolchildren (two of them classmates of my daughter and her friend in the February 22, 2004 bombing), and leaving hundreds more widows, orphans, and bereaved parents.

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ON THE first anniversary of her death, I wanted to thank Rachel Corrie for providing her organization, the Palestinian-sponsored International Solidarity Movement, with the opportunity to release a manipulated photo sequence "showing" an Israeli military bulldozer deliberately crushing her. (I would also like to thank AP and The Christian Science Monitor for taking up the baton and immortalizing this cynical ISM stunt.)

On the first anniversary of her death, I want to thank Rachel Corrie for showing the way to all those who seek peace in the Middle East. Unfortunately, Corrie's peace, as anyone familiar with the PLO, Fatah, Hamas, and Hizbullah organizations that she defended with her life knows – or as anyone familiar with the weekly rants of the Friday preachers in the Palestinian mosques is aware – means not peaceful coexistence but the elimination of the State of Israel, and death to those they call "the usurping Jews, the sons of apes and pigs."

Thank you, Rachel Corrie, of Evergreen State University, where the profs wear khakis and keffiyehs at graduation ceremonies, for showing us what peace really means.

......................................................................

yeah...thanks Saint Rachel.



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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 01:42 PM
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1. defending Hamas with her life
You believe this fucking total shit, eh doc?
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 01:44 PM
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2. The real funny thing.....
I thought of YOU when I posted it.

I know how much you appreciated her.
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 01:47 PM
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3. I couldn't give a fuck to be honest
She's one death out of thousands, and no more important than one Israeli or Palestinian killed.

I've said this before. Try reading what I say - that'd be a start.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:06 PM
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10. Oh I read what you said...
and i believe EVERY SINGLE WORD ABOUT IT.
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lynx rufus Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:57 PM
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29. what?
It sounds like you are saying that you thought of
another poster while posting a message you knew would
infuriate that poster. Is this what you are getting at?
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 09:15 AM
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76. What explosives?
I've never read anything directly linking Rachel Corrie to the smuggling of explosives. Perhaps you have some evidence of this you'd like to share. You know, links and stuff.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:57 AM
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lynx rufus Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:57 PM
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30. what?
It sounds like you are saying that you thought of
another poster while posting a message you knew would
infuriate that poster. Is this what you are getting at?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 01:57 PM
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6. I like when JPost speaks truth to power.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:01 PM
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7. this is obscene...
...and beneath the dignity of civilized persons.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 04:37 PM
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89. Interesting...
What specifically do you feel is obscene??
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HiramAbiff Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:02 PM
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8. Your logic is flawed
Edited on Wed Mar-03-04 02:04 PM by HiramAbiff
According to your logic, Gandhi is at fault for the violence between India and Pakistan: Because he used non violent techniques to combat injustice, he enabled radicals to emerge and kill innocents.

Your argument places blame on the indigenous Arab population of the Israeli occupied territories collectively and therefore can be dismissed outright the same way collective guilt of the Jews for the death of Christ can be dismissed outright.

Rachel Corrie used non-violence to prevent a demolition illegal under international law. She died because of it. That is fact. Spin how you will, but don't expect me to stand by and listen to it without calling it what it is.

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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:04 PM
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9. From the New Jersey ISM website
"We are opposed to the existence of the apartheid colonial settler state of Israel"




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HiramAbiff Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:07 PM
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11. Did you oppose the apartheid regime of South Africa?
Do you know that Desmond Tutu has made the same comparison?

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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:11 PM
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14. Did you oppose the trade of Rodriguez to the Yankees?
Did you know that Derek Jeter wasn't overjoyed with that transaction?
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:31 PM
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21. what in the world does that mean?
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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:36 PM
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24. I didn't expect you to understand it
and seeing as it wasn't directed to you.........
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:00 PM
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60. HiramAbiff has been tombstoned.
:toast:
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:05 PM
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64. So he must be an anti-Semite
What would he know about apartheid anyway? ;)
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:12 PM
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15. I'm sure the NJ - ISM
Edited on Wed Mar-03-04 02:13 PM by drdon326


probably has some memorial to the "Patron SAINT of Terrorist
Supporters".



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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:12 PM
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16. thanks for the the ism website
never knew this website existed
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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 09:55 AM
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77. More from the ISM website in New Jersey
You can buy buttons with the following phrases:

Person wearing keffiyeh with text: "Victory to the Intifada!"
(The keffiyeh is masking his face as a terrorist would)


Palestinian political poster with text: "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!"
(Do I hear Tel Aviv and Haifa?)


http://www.njsolidarity.org/

Now tell me this is a "peaceful" organization.

Plain and simple, support ISM and you are supporting the elimination of the State of Israel. Support ISM and you are de facto violating the rules of DU. Support ISM and you are supporting HATE.

"If you feel great affinity to groups who are promoting hate in the Middle East such as Kahane, or Hamas; feel there is a Jewish conspiracy governing US foreign policy or control of the media; or believe supporters of Islam or Palestinian Nationalism are terrorists, then you are probably likely to be banned."

If ISM is not supporting hate then the word "hate" needs a new definition.

Spin ISM all you want. Spin it like a top. Spin it like a wheel. Spin it like a loom. ISM = HATE


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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:08 PM
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12. thanks for linking to a site
where you have to register. i refuse to give my e-mail to any right wing website no matter who they are. funny how the guy who stood in front of the tank in china was a hero,yet Rachel was squished by a dozer and she is a terrorist. oh well.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:11 PM
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13. Sigh
Another little screed from the 'How to make friends and influence people - right wing israeli style' school of thinking.
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Aries Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:16 PM
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18. Useful Information on Paranoia
http://www.hoptechno.com/paranoia.htm

(...)

Suspicious

An unmistakable sign of paranoia is continual mistrust. People with paranoid personality disorder are constantly on their guard because they see the world as a threatening place. They tend to confirm their expectations by latching on to any speck of evidence that supports their suspicions and ignore or misinterpret any evidence to the contrary. They are ever watchful and may look around for signs of a threat.

Anyone in a new situation--beginning a job or starting a relationship, for example--is cautious and somewhat guarded until he or she learns that the fears are groundless. People suffering from paranoia cannot abandon their fears. They continue to expect trickery and to doubt the loyalty of others. In a personal relationship or marriage, this suspiciousness may take the form of pathological, unrealistic jealousy.

Hypersensitive

Because persons with paranoid personality disorder are hyperalert, they notice any slight and may take offense where none is intended. As a result, they tend to be defensive and antagonistic. When they are at fault, they cannot accept blame, not even mild criticism. Yet they are highly critical of others. Other people may say that these individuals make "mountains out of molehills."

Cold and Aloof

In addition to being argumentative and uncompromising, the people with paranoid personality disorder are often emotionally cut off from other people. They appear cold and, in fact, often avoid becoming intimate with others. They pride themselves on their rationality and objectivity. People with a paranoid outlook on life rarely come to the attention of clinicians--it is not in their nature to seek help. Many presumably function competently in society. They may seek out social niches in which a moralistic and punitive style is acceptable, or at least tolerated to a certain degree.
...
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Noon_Blue_Apples Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:35 PM
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22. Yup, them damn liberal arts colleges

"Thank you, Rachel Corrie, of Evergreen State University, where the profs wear khakis and keffiyehs at graduation ceremonies, for showing us what peace really means."

more right wing propaganda. The tactic of propagating stereotypes does a people facing similarly dreadful tactics no good.

the statement is in line with ZOG garbage - them liberals - they are out to get us!!!



B
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:35 PM
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23. At the very least
Her death is a tragedy. Just one of one many tragedies as a result of this pointless conflict, but a tragedy nonetheless. To heap scorn on this idealistic, and arguably naive woman, is shameful and disgusting.

Unfortunately, I have come to expect nothing less from RW rags like the JPost,
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:40 PM
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25. Every early death is a tragedy
But she brought hers on herself.
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Noon_Blue_Apples Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:43 PM
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27. yup, and Israeli's do the same

by just 'being there'

So did King I guess

(sarcasm off)
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 03:00 PM
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31. Not anywhere true
She went out of her way to put herself in jeopardy. Israelis are in jeopardy just because they exist. In fact, thanks to fun folks like Hamas, Jews in general are in the same jeopardy, just because they exist.
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 03:11 PM
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35. You must get all your Israel/Palestine news from American sources. n/t
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 03:42 PM
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41. Nope
I even read some of the tripe posted from EI and WSWS.
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Noon_Blue_Apples Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 03:18 PM
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37. No

Some people go out of their way to put themselves in jeopardy by later moving to Israel and becoming a citizen.

and the difference is?

Some decide to face Hamas

Others decide to face Likud


again, like King, some people put their body where their mouths are. She was one of them.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:16 AM
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70. The occupation has nothing to with it?
n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:44 PM
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 03:01 PM
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32. I said it was a tragedy
But when an adult chooses to aid terror groups, my sympathy goes out the window.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 03:56 PM
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43. All it takes is for one person to be offended
It doesn't seem as if context is taken into account.For the alert happy people it's a boon.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:50 PM
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48. Dont I know it...
.
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 05:06 PM
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49. It doesn't seem as if context is taken into account
Yeah, but I thought you were supposed to get a message from the mod telling you why you were deleted. I didn't get a message.

I just want to know what I did wrong so that I can be a better poster/person.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 05:10 PM
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50. Down here they are just yanked
Off to never never land!
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:37 AM
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72. I've been alerted too. So cheer up!
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 05:18 PM
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53. Then you should feel sympathy for Rachel Corrie...
Because unless someone is defining aiding 'terror groups' as anyone who is sympathetic towards the plight of the Palestinians, there is absolutely no evidence that she was aiding terrorist groups. All that exists is clumsy smear jobs by those who seem to think that shrieking accusations with zero evidence at the top of their lungs is *proof*. Personally, when someone has no sympathy for civilian victims in this conflict because the victim isn't part of their chosen group that has to be the ONLY victims acknowledged, I think that person has lost their perspective and what they say doesn't harm the individual they're showing zero sympathy over, but harms themselves and makes others wonder why some people think it's necessary to show a marked lack of compassion in order to be 'pro-Israel'....

Violet...
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:28 PM
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68. The ISM supports terrorism.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:33 PM
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69. Repeating it doesn't make it true.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 02:41 PM
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26. I'd like to see both sides
let the dead lie.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 03:01 PM
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 03:17 PM
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36. The people here in I/P who defend Israel
do her more harm than good all too often.When I arrived down here I was pretty nuetral,in fact I probably leaned more towards sympathy for the Israelis under attack from terrorist.

However,after seeing the coldness,the bloodthirstiness and the hatred from one pro-Israel poster after another has shown me that neither side can even begin to claim a moral high ground.Both sides are like little children with big toys.Ugliness reigns supreme,and all too many revel in thier hate.
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Noon_Blue_Apples Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 03:37 PM
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40. there certainly is no moral high ground
Edited on Wed Mar-03-04 03:41 PM by Noon_Blue_Apples
and a hand full of posters here don't represent Israel or the views of its citizens.

The same with palestinians.

How do you know posters are not purposely taking names, avatars and positions for the sole purpose of discrediting the group they 'supposedly' represent.

I understand the point you are making, I have felt the same...but it's all made up BS...I have leaned not to take them too seriously, although its hard sometimes - we are tired of the shit, that's why we came to DU - B
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Noon_Blue_Apples Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:07 PM
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45. It's a tough issue

If I were Israeli or Jewish I would be offended that any and all topics are placed down here.

Others see it as a win, taking the relaxed position by the admin on the tone and sources used as some form of vindication. All the while not seeing that the rub truly is against them.


B

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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:44 PM
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61. So then
Edited on Wed Mar-03-04 08:45 PM by Herschel
Posts on a discussion board have changed your mind about Israelis. And you were quite pro-Israel? How interesting for you.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:10 PM
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66. Yes,posts down here have changed my mind
Yours included.Israel appreciates your help.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:18 AM
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71. They certainly do alter one's viewpoint
There are things posted here that are never given any attention in the American media.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:49 PM
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62. uhhh....right
"after seeing the coldness,the bloodthirstiness and the hatred from one pro-Israel poster after another has shown me that neither side can even begin to claim a moral high ground.Both sides are like little children with big toys.Ugliness reigns supreme,and all too many revel in thier hate."

whatever
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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:57 PM
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63. Anybody want to buy a bridge?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:11 PM
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67. that would be a step up
from what many here usually peddle.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:08 PM
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65. yes,because "pancake queen" is the hight of kindness
whatever right back at you Don.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:06 PM
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44. And i'm sure...
all the dead jews appreciated her tunnel protecting and
terrorist support.

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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 05:17 PM
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51. appreciated her tunnel protecting
What tunnel protecting?

The UK Guardian mentions no tunnels:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,961025,00.html

On rescuing Private Lynch and forgetting Rachel Corrie

The Israeli army got away with murder - and now all activists are at risk

Naomi Klein
Thursday May 22, 2003
The Guardian

Jessica Lynch and Rachel Corrie could have passed for sisters. Two all-American blondes, two destinies for ever changed in a Middle East war zone. Private Jessica Lynch, the soldier, was born in Palestine, West Virginia. Rachel Corrie, the activist, died in Israeli-occupied Palestine.

Corrie was four years older than 19-year-old Lynch. Her body was crushed by an Israeli bulldozer in Gaza seven days before Lynch was taken into Iraqi custody on March 23. Before she went to Iraq, Lynch organised a pen-pal programme with a local kindergarten. Before Corrie left for Gaza, she organised a pen-pal programme between kids in her hometown of Olympia, Washington, and children in Rafah.

Lynch went to Iraq as a soldier loyal to her government. Corrie went to Gaza to oppose the actions of her government. As a US citizen, she believed she had a special responsibility to defend Palestinians against US-built weapons, purchased with US aid to Israel. In letters home, she described how fresh water was being diverted from Gaza to Israeli settlements, how death was more normal than life. "This is what we pay for here," she wrote.

Unlike Lynch, Corrie did not go to Gaza to engage in combat: she went to try to thwart it. Along with her fellow members of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM), she believed that the Israeli military's incursions could be slowed by the presence of highly visible "internationals". The killing of Palestinian civilians may have become commonplace, the thinking went, but Israel doesn't want the diplomatic or media scandals that would come if it killed a US student.

In a way, Corrie was harnessing the very thing that she disliked most about her country: the belief that American lives are worth more than any others - and trying to use it to save a few Palestinian homes from demolition.

Believing her fluorescent orange jacket would serve as armour, Corrie stood in front of bulldozers, slept beside wells and escorted children to school. If suicide bombers turn their bodies into weapons of death, Corrie turned hers into the opposite - a weapon of life, a "human shield".

When that Israeli bulldozer driver looked at Corrie's orange jacket and pressed the accelerator, her strategy failed. It turns out that the lives of some US citizens - even beautiful, young, white women - are valued more than others. And nothing demonstrates this more starkly than the opposing responses to Rachel Corrie and Pte Jessica Lynch.

...snip...

Naomi Klein 's most recent book is 'Fences and Windows'

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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 10:25 AM
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85. What?........ Protecting tunnels?!?!
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 10:28 AM by drdon326
Gaza tunnels fuel terrorist activity


http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/031003/gaza.shtml

"For decades the tunnels were lucrative black-market trading routes. Since Israeli-Palestinian peace talks deteriorated into violence in 2000, they have served as the main arms conduit into Gaza.

"We are the beating heart of the intifada," said Abed, a stallholder in the Rafah market. He refused to discuss the gunrunning, pausing only to reminisce about the times he dabbled in contraband cigarettes from Egypt during the relative quiet of the 1990s.

"I was rich," he said.

A crack Israeli garrison secures the Gaza side of the Egypt border, which, in accordance with the 1978 Camp David pact, bisects Rafah. As the bloodshed of the intifada has deepened, Israel has broadened its frontier buffer zone, razing scores of crude Palestinian homes to create a tense no-man's land some 100 yards wide.

Gunmen who regularly snipe at Israeli outposts and patrols mask the deeper threat - local Arab clans that, though divided by the border, are united in their drive to keep digging the tunnels to fuel the fight against Israel.

"Rafah is a strategic point for the terrorists, as Gaza is otherwise penned in by the sea and by the boundary with Israel," a senior Israeli security source told JTA. "They do all they can to keep going, and we'll try almost anything to stop them."

Israeli armored columns scour the buffer zone by day as Palestinians in the bullet-pocked buildings facing the border watch balefully. Tipped off by informers inside Rafah, the military also mounts regular raids deeper into the town, provoking pitched battles with local militia members sworn to protect the tunnels.

..............................:eyes:...................................

those tunnels!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 05:18 PM
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52. Question:
How many smuggling tunnels were unearthed under the home Rachel Corrie died protecting?
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 05:20 PM
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54. How many smuggling tunnels were unearthed
Edited on Thu Mar-04-04 10:06 AM by Skinner
None.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,961025,00.html

...snip...

Corrie's death, which made the papers for two days and then virtually disappeared, has met with almost total official silence, despite the fact that eyewitnesses claim it was a deliberate act. President Bush has said nothing about a US citizen killed by a US-made bulldozer bought with US tax dollars. A US congressional resolution demanding an independent inquiry has been buried in committee, leaving the Israeli military's investigation - which cleared itself of any wrongdoing - as the only official investigation.

The ISM says that this non-response has sent a clear, and dangerous, signal. According to Olivia Jackson, a 25-year-old British citizen in Rafah: "After Rachel was killed, waited for the response from the American government and the response was pathetic. They know they can get away with it, and it has encouraged them to keep on going."

First there was Brian Avery, a 24-year-old US citizen shot in the face on April 5. Then Tom Hurndall, a British ISM activist shot in the head and left brain dead on April 11. Next was James Miller, the British cameraman shot dead while wearing a vest that said "TV". In all of these cases, eyewitnesses say the shooters were Israeli soldiers.

There is something else that Jessica Lynch and Rachel Corrie have in common: both of their stories have been distorted by the military for its own purposes. According to the official story, Lynch was captured in a bloody gun battle, mistreated by sadistic Iraqi doctors, then rescued in another storm of bullets by heroic Navy Seals. In the past weeks, another version has emerged. The doctors who treated Lynch found no evidence of battle wounds, and donated their own blood to save her life. Most embarrassing of all, witnesses have told the BBC that those daring Navy Seals already knew there were no Iraqi fighters left in the area when they stormed the hospital.

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:20 PM
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46. Great article...
Edited on Wed Mar-03-04 04:20 PM by drdon326
glad everyone enjoyed it as much as I did.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 04:34 PM
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47. Yep,many here learned a lot
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #46
55. Great article...
Yep, I've read crap like that at WorldNutDaily, Newsschmucks and at Wasting away again in Rim Job's Freeperville, but I never thought I'd see that shit here.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. And i've read....
more bullshit articles from al-jezeera, pal-sol + jihad-unspun
all kissing the ass of the terrorist supporting princess.

Shes a terrorist supporter who has the blood of innocents
on her legacy.


(mods-this post is totally within the rules-there is no reason to
delete this)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 05:47 PM
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57. ok don
:eyes:
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 06:10 PM
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58. We all have the blood of innocents on our hands.
If you pay taxes, that is. Taxes pay for US bombs and missiles and mortars and bullets and artillery shells used to murder innocents in Afghanistan and Iraq. Oh, and in Palestine, too, since some of our taxes go to Israel--and they kill Palestinians, and shock!--some of them actually are innocents.

But if you don't pay your taxes, you go to prison.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 06:19 PM
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 04:11 AM
Response to Reply #56
73. "terrorist supporting princess"
Like your previous comments and labels, is that really neccessary?

There are people around here who may not share your, ahm, opinion and may wish to mourn the young woman.

Perhaps you could show more respect for the dead?
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #73
75. Show respect for the INNOCENT dead
The guilty can piss off.
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 10:40 AM
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78. Hmmm. Innocent?
Not sure what crime you're attributing to Rachel. I'm unaware of her *conviction* (usually how we determine innocence or guilt) of a crime for which a death penalty is the punishment .

If not, then she *IS* innocent and your 'Piss Off' comment doesn't apply to her or my point.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #78
79. Not innocent
As has been discussed endlessly here, the group she was fronting for is a terror and hate group. That makes her part of the problem. Her inability to get out of the way of heavy machinery is her fault.
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:21 AM
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81. Well
Edited on Thu Mar-04-04 11:23 AM by lefty_mcduff
As I like to be a little more definitive than 'discussed endlessly here' I'm asking you again - what crime was she tried and convicted for? I didn't ask if she was 'part of a problem' - which depends on your point of view. I asked for facts on whether she had been tried and convicted - usually the barometer of guilt of innocence (except of course when it comes to I/P). You're choosing to avoid that. The truth is, we both know the answer.

Generally, bulldozer drivers stop when people are in front of their machines. Generally, bulldozer drivers utilize extreme caution when working around pedestrians. I do know that 'they didn't get out of my way' is not an accepted defence of running down someone. Even with a motor vehicle. But once again, a different standard applies as we're talking about the I//P conflict.

Is non-violent protest *not* what you'd encourage? Or or there more restrictions you'd like to see applied?

Having said all this, I guess the dismissive nature of the discussion revolving around a woman who's only real failing was that she was too naive and/or idealistic is troubling. I tend to have sympathy for people who get harmed unnecessarily in the use of non-violent means to express their outrage - whether or not I agree with their cause.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #79
88. Lot's of things are discussed here
that doesn't make them true.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:17 AM
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80. Abigail Litle was innocent.
Mar 5, 2003 - Seventeen people were killed and 53 wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus #37 on Moriah Blvd. in the Carmel section of Haifa, en route to Haifa University. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
The victims: Maryam Atar, 27, of Haifa; Smadar Firstater, 16, of Haifa; Kamar Abu Hamed, 12, of Daliat al-Carmel; Daniel Haroush, 16, of Safed; Mordechai Hershko, 41, of Haifa; Tom Hershko, 15, of Haifa; Meital Katav, 20, of Haifa; Elizabeth Katzman, 17, of Haifa; Tal Kehrmann, 17, of Haifa; St.-Sgt. Eliyahu Laham, 22, of Haifa; Abigail Litle, 14, of Haifa; Yuval Mendellevich, 13, of Haifa; St.-Sgt. Be'eri Oved, 21, of Rosh Pina; Mark Takash, 54, of Haifa; Asaf Zur (Zollinger), 17, of Haifa.
Anatoly Biryakov, 20, of Haifa, died of his injuries on March 8. Moran Shushan, 20, of Haifa, died of her injuries on March 11.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0ia50


funny how no one canonizes her.
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #80
82. Nor do I heap scorn on them with
Edited on Thu Mar-04-04 11:38 AM by lefty_mcduff
names like "pancake princess" and "terrorist princess".

I do not canonzie Rachel Corrie. I see her, and Abigail Litle as victims of a fucked-up conflict driven (and supported) by extremists. One was guilty of nothing more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The other was guilty only of trying to protest *non-violently* what she viewed as uneccessary suffering.

I don't understand why both instances cannot be mourned, and proferred as vivid illustrations of why this conflict must be stopped. I don't understand why one life is judged as being worth more than the other. But then again, that's the very reason I grow weary of these moebius strip discusssions in the I/P forum.

As usual in the I/P conflict neither side views or tries to understand the suffering of the other. All the while more innocents are destined to die.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #82
84. Well...
Edited on Thu Mar-04-04 12:07 PM by drdon326


sorry....I have a right to my opinion.....Saint Rachel deserves
every bit of scorn and contempt I can muster.

She was in her 3D days part of front group that advocated the destruction of Israel and as far as I'm concerned actively worked to that stated aim.She was in Rafah for a damn good reason...
Rafah is/was a hotbed of terrorist tunnels that brought death to
people like Abigail Litle and all the other people in my previous
post.

I'll be damned if bow to the alter of " I love Rachel" memorial.
I don't view ISM as "non-violent"...they have a stated purpose
that GP has clearly delineated in previous posts.To me ,she and the
ISM are nothing but Terror-supporting thugs and I REFUSE to mourn
the accidental death of her when there are innocents and people of
peace (like that ER doctor who was butchered) who deserve respect.

(mods- it may not be politically correct-but i have a right
to my opinion)

edit for spelling
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #84
90. Lefty...fyi
Remembering Dr David Applebaum

http://www.ourjerusalem.com/series/story/series20031117.html

TOP DOCTOR-RABBI AND DAUGHTER-BRIDE MURDERED IN ATTACK

The tragedy of the Jerusalem attack was multiplied several-fold when it was learned that among the murdered were Dr. David Applebaum and his daughter Nava. The former was the director of the emergency room of Shaarei Tzedek Medical Center, who dealt with hundreds of other victims of terrorist attacks and to whom his colleagues said "thousands owed their lives" - and the latter was to be married tonight. The two had gone to have a last pre-wedding father-daughter talk.

Dr. Applebaum had returned just a few hours earlier from the United States, where he had spoken about how hospitals should prepare for mass terror attacks. Dr. Applebaum's wife and five remaining children gathered in the Shaarei Tzedek emergency room. Doctors and nurses stood around crying, even as ambulances continued to bring in other wounded patients. They were barely able to absorb the fact that instead of going to the joyous wedding planned for tonight, they would be attending the double funeral of the bride and her father.

Natan Applebaum , the youngest son of the family, said that he had gone to sleep early "to be ready for the wedding," when he "suddenly awoke to the screaming sirens of ambulances, and I had a bad feeling." At those very moments, his father's colleague Dr. Yitzchak Glick, who arrived on the scene to deal with the wounded, was identifying one of the dead as Natan's father.

"He was one of the '36 righteous men' of the world," Natan said. "His whole life was dedicated to saving lives." Dr. Yonatan HaLevy, director of Shaarei Tzedek, said that the hospital had suffered a grave loss, while other doctors spoke of a "great Torah scholar," a "sparkling personality," and a "model family man."

=================================================================

that was a true man of peace


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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #90
93. You do understand that one death
does not negate the other.
You do understand that the tragic deaths listed have nothing to do with Rachel Corrie?
You do realize that *both* can be mourned?
You do realize that the death above does not give you license to scorn those that wish to mourn Corrie (including her family), just as Corrie's death does not give anyone license to mock the memory of Dr. Applebaum?
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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:07 PM
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86. Let us picture another possibility
$haron is finally kicked out by rational Israelis and Israel keeps its commitment to remove the terrorist settlers. Christian Zionist activists travel to Occupied Palestine to resist the demolition of settler garrisons, and a yound American RW Fundamentalist is crushed by a bulldozer. How would this register on everyone's sense of justice? I cannot bring myself, even after the hate-filled scorn heaped on my countrywoman, Rachel Corrie, whom I consider a heroine, to answer in kind.

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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:29 PM
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87. While we're at it
Let's heap scorn on the US sailors of the Liberty who were killed by the IDF for their support of terrorism by surveilling the 1967 conflict. Not only that, we should dig up their remains and burn them in public for getting in Israel's way while they pursued their great Zionist agenda.



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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 11:39 AM
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91. more right wing hate trash against
Rachel Corrie a Liberal Peace Activist
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:38 PM
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92. Letter to JPost....
...from US Embassy in Tel Aviv regarding this wonderful article:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0403/S00092.htm

<snip>

"Sir, – I want to pass on the US Embassy's reaction to the article "A 'tribute' to Rachel Corrie" (March 2). This article is nothing less than hateful incitement. The author's disgusting abuse of the anniversary of the death of this American citizen is inexcusable. The article reflects a level of discourse unbefitting any serious newspaper.

We're disappointed that you chose to publish this article.

PAUL PATIN US Embassy Tel Aviv"

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