Hamas vows revenge for Gaza strike; police raise alert

[Gimel]

Hamas spokesman in Gaza, Abd al-Aziz Rantissi, threatened that the militant organization would respond to an Israeli strike Wednesday in which three Hamas militants were killed near the settlement of Netzarim.

He said, "even if the Hamas members were on their way to carry out a legitimate attack on the settlement of Netzarim, a military response to the action will be forthcoming. Before withdraws from Gaza, he continues to carry out crimes against the Islamic movements in the Strip."

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Note: attacking civilians is not legitimate, even if you consider them your enemy.

[lefty_mcduff]

1. Shouldn't really come as a surprise though.

More tit-for-tat.
More dead people.

Sigh.

[Gimel]

2. Dead Hamas

According to officials, the Palestinian killed in the attack were senior members of Izzadine al-Kassam Brigades, the Hamas military wing.

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The victims were identified as Trad Jamal, 25, a senior Hamas leader in the Gaza Strip and in recent months the operation commander of cells operating in Netzarim and the surrounding areas. He also commanded over cells that launched daily attacks against IDF soldiers and civilians in the area. He was involved in the planning of the suicide bombing at the Erez Crossing in January in which four Israelis were killed. He was also involved in placing a powerful bomb that blew up near the security fence in October last year in which an IDF soldier was wounded.

Ibrahim al-Dairi, 35, operated together with Trad and perpetrated numerous bomb and mortar attacks in the Netzarim area. They included the firing of Kassam rockets last October towards Sderot and Kibbut Nir Am. In recent weeks he was also involved in attempts to fire Kassam rockets at Netzarim.

According to security officials, Dairi was in close contact with senior Hamas officials and assisted a number of wanted fugitives.

Ammar Hassan was responsible for coordinating attacks in the Netzarim area and on the Karnei Netzarim road.

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[Herschel]

3. Dead Hamas indeed

Marvelous news. The strike was surely swift and accurate. Those finishing these killers have my admiration. Be glad.

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[lefty_mcduff]

10. Clairification.

I guess it should come as no surprise that there are threats of retaliation. Which will lead to more dead people. Which will lead to more retaliation. Which will lead to more dead people. Which will lead to more retaliation.

Rinse. Repeat.

[ex_jew]

4. Re: legitimacy

Obviously when soldiers arrive in your land and keep you from entering an area that previously belonged to you, the soldiers would be legitimate targets.

Now assume that among the soldiers is a private individual who receives financial incentives to be there - let's see he's a Dyncorp employee. Should we shed extra tears if anything happens to him, based on his status as a civilian ? I wouldn't. To my mind, adult settlers in Netzarim are very similar to Dyncorp employees. They are financially induced to move there as part of the larger plan to keep Palestinians from enjoyment of their land.

Now let's bring in the big one - an eight-year old girl (I've noticed that such a case is the gold standard of morality among IDF soldiers).
Is there any way that attacking this person could be legitimate ? I would say no, if the intention is simply to harm the eight year-old. But what if the eight year-old is simply "collateral damage", much the same as casualties which occur when Israel fires a missile at a militant ?

To achieve the same level of blamelessness that Israel claims for its missile attacks, I think there only needs to be a substantial likelihood that adults who have voluntarily moved there will be hurt. Many on this board have criticized such reasoning when applied to IDF
strikes. Is the difference that they are presumably directed at "leaders" of the resistance ? Would it be legitimate to attack the leadership of Netzarim (assuming they could be identified) ? Should the Palestinians be judged on the care with which they target the "leadership" of Netzarim ? And considering that such a determination is just about impossible when your "enemy" is enclosed by acres of barbed wire, how can you say their actions are illegitimate ?

[GabysPoppy]

6. nevermind

[ex_jew]

7. So my agenda is showing ?

No doubt. My agenda is to understand the true extent of the damage caused by the Zionist project. If I find that it somehow turns settlers who occupy other peoples' land into innocent victims, then I add this fact to my list of reasons why Zionism was a very bad idea.

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[Resistance]

5. nope, attacking civilians is not legitimate

both sides need to stop doing it.

[Gimel]

8. There were no other reported casualties.

n/t

[Flagg]

12. attacking civilians is not legitimate, even if you consider them your ene

tell that to the Hamas and the IDF