Israeli-Palestinian Clashes at Jerusalem Shrine

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Israeli-Palestinian Clashes at Jerusalem Shrine

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli police stormed a Jerusalem mosque compound revered by Muslims Friday to repel Palestinians throwing stones into the Western Wall plaza, Judaism's holiest place, a police spokesman said.

Police spokesman Gil Kleiman said Muslim worshippers "started rioting" at the end of Friday prayers in the hilltop compound containing the al-Aqsa and Dome of the Rock mosques known to Muslims as al Haram al Sharif.

"With the end of Friday prayers, hundreds of Muslims threw rocks and rioted. Police entered the Temple Mount and used stun grenades to disperse them. Nobody has been wounded. Police are still on the Mount," he told Reuters.

Jerusalem police spokesman Shmuel Ben-Ruby said stones crashed onto the section of the Western Wall plaza where women pray, but no worshippers were injured.

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Israeli-Palestinian Clashes at Jerusalem Shrine

[MikeGalos]

1. Of course

that really should read "With the end of Friday prayers, hundreds of Muslims threw rocks down at people praying in an open plaza from the top of a 60 foot wall and rioted."

Just wanted to make sure people had the right image of what these "religious faithful" were doing after prayers and while still on their holiest site in Jerusalem. Throwing rocks is one thing - it almost sounds like a childish tantrum. Hurling rocks down at people from the top of a six story building on the other hand, is attempting to kill them and watch them die.

What a charming way to show your faith - make a pilgrimage to a holy site, pray for a while and then, after prayers, go try and kill a few Jewish women.

[Resistance]

2. some show their faith by throwing rocks

others show theirs by bulldozing homes and stealing people's land. I agree it all amounts to total insanity.

[lefty_mcduff]

3. Thanks for the clarification Mike.

Criminal and downright dangerous. I hope those responsible are caught and punished. Now, that we're on side, I await your outrage when IDF forces shoot innocent teenagers, steal land and stuff.

(stealing theme from other IP regular) - Moral equivilancy RAWWWKS!

[MikeGalos]

13. Hey

I've always supported the arrest of IDF soldiers, trial if there's merit and conviction if found guilty.

Can you say the same for those guilty of conspiracy to commit terrorism? Are you willing to stop supporting the PA until they do so?

[lefty_mcduff]

16. Uh-huh.

Anyone *guilty* (which would indicate some form of arrest and trial) of terrorism should be punished.

I don't support the PA now. Nor the IDF. I'm of the 'pox on all their houses' camp towards extremists on both sides.

[MikeGalos]

19. The difference is

that Israel holds hearings, trials and convictions as needed. The PA gives them a party.

[Muddleoftheroad]

4. Yeah, nobody can get killed from a rock dropped 60 feet

Yet again, an example of IDF restraint. A reason I wouldn't make it as a cop. People trying to kill innocents like that would be met with a more aggressive response in my book.

[lefty_mcduff]

5. Whatever.

With all the bank robbing, protester shooting, olive tree grabbin', people evicting, land stealing going on this week, I think we got about as much fucking IDF restraint as we can manage.

[Muddleoftheroad]

6. Ah, the morning hyperbole

I assume you think that police rob banks or that the SEC robs companies when it seizes assets? Sure whatever.

And, when you build a public works project -- even an unpopular one -- trees get uprooted, people get evicted and land gets acquired.

[lefty_mcduff]

7. Yeah, this sounds *JUST* like an SEC investigation...

"Witnesses said soldiers covered the banks' security cameras with black plastic bags and herded employees together before ordering workers with keys to open the vaults."

Not sure what 'public works' projects you've experienced. Around here (and recently too), when they're building a highway extension, the government negotiates a *buyout* for the desired property. They do not give people seven days to appeal, and then show up in two days with bullbozers and *take it*. In fact, a highway extension just east of here was held up for years because the owner of the land wouldn't cave on the price. The city took him to court (course they don't have the IDF as their goons)

Don't even try to tell me that this is *accepted* public works program...

[Muddleoftheroad]

8. Answers

First off, it is very common for undercover agents -- DEA, FBI, etc. -- to conceal their identities for fear of reprisal. This was such a case.

Since I've actually covered zoning, you're on my turf. The appeals process depends on the need of the project. A project based on national security would have no appeals process.

[lefty_mcduff]

9. No.

The DEA would never launch a daylight robbery in say, Canada. Nor the Brits in say, N. Ireland.

National security - wooops. I agree with the fence. I disagree with the land grab it's being used to provide cover for. So, no, the land grab is *nothing* to do with national security. It has to do with stealing land. You wouldn't get a peep out of me if the fence wasn't being used, through strong arm tactics of the IDF, to steal land (that Sharon already promised to withdraw from).

[Muddleoftheroad]

10. Not true

While the DEA would stay out of Canada without their cooperation, Northern Ireland IS British territory.

The Peace Fence has everything to do with national security and, as such, those who lose land as a result have no choice. However, I would hope they will be compensated at market rates.

[lefty_mcduff]

11. Okay, now you're in my turf.

I was born and raised in Northern Ireland. The Brits would *NEVER* rob a bank in Northern Ireland. Read up the limiting rules of engagment for Brit soliders (as well as the often clumsy investigations thereof).

Your original argument about the 'Peace' fence is flawed, as is my subsequent retort to it. Your 'zoning' argument only works if land is being confiscated from Israelis without payment. It isn't.

Any facts about 'fair compensation'?

[Muddleoftheroad]

12. They didn't ROB anything

They seized assets in a terror investigation.

As for compensation, I can't say. I honestly don't know. However, since Israel has a court system that has fairly backed complaints before, if the landowners are not being compensated, they should sue.

[MikeGalos]

15. And did a really beautiful Robin Hood bit

by tagging the siezed terrorism funds for humanitarian relief for the PA people.

[lefty_mcduff]

17. Ah'm getting all misty and choked up.

Such is the compassion of the IDF....

[MikeGalos]

18. Yes it apparently is

Shame that some news outlets toe the Arafat's mother-in-law's PR firms party line so much that some people don't bother to dig out the truth rather than believe what they're spoon fed.

[MikeGalos]

14. Really?

but the press reports just said they were throwing rocks... Why, that sounds absolutely harmless...

<sarcasm bits fully on>