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RFK MLK PW Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:34 PM
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MYTH #132
“The International Court of Justice should decide whether Israel is justified in building a security fence.”


The most important issue at stake in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians is how to bring about a two-state solution that offers peace and security to both parties. The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has nothing to contribute to resolving this issue and actually subverts the prospects for peace by undermining direct negotiations, diverting attention from the Palestinians’ failure to fulfill their road map obligation to stop the violence, and singling Israel out for opprobrium while ignoring the Palestinian terrorism that necessitated the construction of the security fence.

Counting the countries that did not vote, as well as those that voted against the Arab proposal, 101 member-states — a majority of UN members — did not support referring the fence issue to the court, and at least 30 countries, including the United States, Great Britain, Russia, and 15 members of the European Union submitting affidavits to the ICJ saying that the issue does not belong in the Court.

The UN General Assembly has already adopted a position on the matter and prejudged it. Moreover, the decision to submit the issue of the fence to the court ignores Article 36 of the Court’s Statute which stipulates that contentious issues can only be brought before the Court with the consent of all sides. In this case, the issue is clearly contentious, Israel did not consent to arbitration before the court, and the parties already have mechanisms in place for resolving such issues.

The question put to the Court misleadingly refers to the barrier as a “wall” when, in fact, less than 3% of the anti-terrorist barrier is concrete and more than 97% consists of a chain-link system.

Israel only built this fence to defend its citizens after three years of unrelenting Palestinian violence that has taken the lives of nearly 1,000 Israelis. No outside court or international organization has the authority to determine how Israel should protect its citizens.

The United States shares this view and that is why it objects to the Court’s involvement. After all, if the Court can tell Israel that it can’t build a fence to defend itself from terrorists, why can’t the justices tell the United States that it is illegal to build a barrier to keep Mexicans from entering the United States, or that its war in Iraq was not justified?

What is the basis for challenging the fence in the first place? Contrary to the language of the General Assembly resolution, the fence does not stand on “occupied Palestinian” land. The fence does not affect the final status of the territories. Israel has not annexed any territory around the fence; the land itself is a matter of dispute and, should a peace settlement be reached, the fence can be moved or torn down. Israel has already said it would reroute the fence to minimize the impact on the Palestinians.

And why should the Court single out Israel’s actions? Has it ever ruled on the dispute between India and Pakistan over Kashmir or the conflict between Greece and Turkey over Cyprus (in both cases similar fences have been built), or any of the dozens of other international border disputes?

The court may issue an advisory opinion on “the legal implications of building a wall,” but its decisions do not have the force of law. The court is a political body and Israel has no representation on the court. The 15 judge panel does, however, include a Palestinian from Jordan and an Egyptian.

The politicization of the proceedings is clear from the Court’s decision to allow 56 countries from the Organization of the Islamic Conference, along with the 22 members of the Arab League, to testify against Israel. While Palestinians may legitimately criticize the fence, none of these other parties are in any way affected by Israel’s efforts to defend itself. Is it any wonder that Israelis expect the trial to resemble the Israeli-bashing forum that occurred in Durban and the one-sided debates in the General Assembly?

Israel is in a no-win situation. By virtue of being “taken to court,” Israel is automatically put on the defensive. If Israel puts its case before the Court, it would legitimate the tribunal’s authority; however, if it ignores the proceedings, Israel increases the probability that the testimony will be one-sided and that the Court will ultimately censure Israel.

Israel ultimately decided it would not participate in the trial and was joined in this decision by the United States, Russia, and the EU. This left the hearings to Israel's critics who, predictably, used them as a propaganda forum to castigate Israel.

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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:48 PM
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1. Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies
What is the basis for challenging the fence in the first place? Contrary to the language of the General Assembly resolution, the fence does not stand on “occupied Palestinian” land. The fence does not affect the final status of the territories. Israel has not annexed any territory around the fence; the land itself is a matter of dispute and, should a peace settlement be reached, the fence can be moved or torn down. Israel has already said it would reroute the fence to minimize the impact on the Palestinians.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 04:12 PM
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MikeGalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:29 PM
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3. And if they were or weren't
in either case, the post is accurate and there's no sense of tantrum in the facts so why do you care?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:35 PM
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4. Read his other posts Mike
I believe it's safe to say he's on your side.

(I hate using terms like "on your side".I believe we're all on the same side,but I think/hope you know what I mean)
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MikeGalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:44 PM
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6. I'm on the side of accurate debate
So let's let the facts present the case.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:46 PM
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7. well excuse me
:eyes:
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MikeGalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 07:09 PM
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8. No problem
It's a common mistake to assume people are being partisan when they're not.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 07:27 PM
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10. right
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MikeGalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 05:43 PM
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5. As far as I can tell
the objection is on a purely "I don't like it so make them stop doing it" basis as is done by any bully.

If there were any basis it would have to count on one of two things being true:
  1. Israel does not legally control the land where the fence is being built. UN SCR 242(1967) and UN SCR 338(1973) clearly state that this isn't the case and the terms of the agreements that give authority to the PA for some of this area do not hand over this authority at the stage where they were left or at any stage mandated by the performace requirements that the PA would need to prove.
  2. Nations are prohibited from building fences. Clearly also not true as border fences and security fences are in place in virtually every country in the world.


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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 07:50 PM
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11. We get all this crap about israel wanting peace
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 07:52 PM by legin
when all it does is go and cultivate as many enemies as it possibly can. That is just an objective truth, so you can forget about your 'poor innocent victim israel' gunk.

If israel has built this fence on or reasonably near the Green Line i could have lived with it, but that is not good enough for israel, they got to build their wall and take the piss too. And it happens every friggin' time without fail. It is almost an instinctive reaction for israel to take the piss. "We have been really dumped on, so the world owes us."

Well I am sick to the back teeth of bloody israel. It wants enemies its got them.

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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 08:08 PM
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12. I'm sick of being called things like cockroach
I'm sick of that utterly superior and patronising attitude with which I am called a racist.

I am sick of the braindead freepers whose only reason for supporting israel is because it is the 'Team Thing' to do.

And I am sick of the fact that once I used to believe in life and now it is just a pile of rancid smelling ashes in my hands.

"Ahh Fuck it let's just nick some land, we can pull it off."
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 07:12 PM
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9. Israel rejected the Roadmap
This is the sort of idiocy only believed in U.S. "pro-Israel" circles. Kind of market the JCPA has.
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 08:21 PM
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13. Locking
Per I/P Guidelines

Not based on a recent news or op-ed article

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