Israel rejects int'l force in Gaza

[Herschel]

Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom "categorically" rejected Tuesday the deployment of an international peace keeping force in the Gaza Strip after Israel evacuates most of its settlements there.

"I am categorically opposed to the deployment of such an interposing force which would lead to the internationalisation of the conflict," a statement from Shalom's ministry quoted him as saying.

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http://www.iribnews.com/Full_en.asp?news_id=199202

Well said. The involvement of an international force would complicate matters. Allow the Israelis and Palestinians to resolve this.

Please note, I am concerned about this source, yet I do not feel they have an incentive to lie about this matter.

[Muddleoftheroad]

1. Why invite in untrustworthy troops

who are not well trained for this sort of activity.

[Care Bear]

2. untrustworthy

is an understatement!

[el_gato]

3. they want to feel free to murder palestinians without feeling guilty

[Care Bear]

4. "They"?

al Aqsa?
Fatah?
Hezbollah?

No one else is "murdering" pals...except other pals.

[HawkerHurricane]

6. I guess it's not murder

to use a tank to kill people.

[Forkboy]

7. or drop a 2000 pound bomb on an apartment building

nope,not murder,said the blind man.

[HawkerHurricane]

9. But one of the people in the building was a terrorist!

At least, we say he was, and we're pretty sure he was in the building, so we are justified in blowing it up and everybody in it.

Just as justified as the suicidal fool on a bus with a bomb under his shirt.

[Muddleoftheroad]

12. Tell you what

Next time Israel locates a terrorist in an apartment building, let ME do lead the raid. Hell, I'm not even Jewish so you can't blame the IDF.

Here's what I would do.

* First off, cordon off the entire area using both ground and air troops.
* Next, send in an assault team to go door to door throughout the building and arrest everyone because you don't want to miss your target.

In the ensuing battles both aimed outward as Palestinians try to attack the assault force and inside the apartment building, I can guarantee dozens, maybe hundreds will die.

THAT is what a military operation does. A bomb is much simpler for all concerned.

[Forkboy]

14. "A bomb is much simpler for all concerned."

Especially the dead innocents.

:eyes:

[Muddleoftheroad]

15. Terrorists hide among innocents

Israel has two choices:

* Take action -- Oh NO! Innocents will die.
* Ignore them and let them kill Israeli innocents.

The Palestinians could go after the terrorists, but they never do.

All nations would choose the second option.

[Herschel]

17. You see, my friend

There are those that confuse collateral damage with murder.

[MikeGalos]

18. Double standards and colonialism

Seems like some people are holding an awfully patronizing and paternalistic view toward the various "Palestinian Liberation" groups and their supporters since they don't think they should be held to the same standards as everybody else. You know, things like intentionally murdering children is a bad thing.

There's a condescending tone that could only be explained by an underlying attitude of "they don't know better so let's excuse it" that's equal to the worst days of the British Raj. The only thing missing is somebody referring to them as "bloody, uncivilized wogs" for the "it's acceptable for them to blow up buses" people to sound exactly like the British Colonial officers in India and Palestine. To me it comes across as a sense of "noblesse oblige" toward those "uncivilized savages" that's just flat out racism.

[Resistance]

19. Intentionally murdering children is definitely a bad thing

Both sides need to stop doing it.

[RFK MLK PW]

36. Only one side intentionally murders children

and it isn't Israel.

Of course, the other side sends children out to do their dirty work; teenagers are sent thinking they will go to paradise by murdering truly innocent children

[number6]

48. good to see your back Resistance

:hi: Long live the Resistance

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

20. again with calls of racism .....

the hypocrisy is astounding....

"The only thing missing is somebody referring to them as "bloody, uncivilized wogs""

sorry we have had the 'hierarchy of cultures' and how palestinians don't die with the same 'dignity' as others.

"To me it comes across as a sense of "noblesse oblige" toward those "uncivilized savages" that's just flat out racism."

ya, pull out the demeaning vocab, place them from the mouths of others, then call 'them' racist...

you want a double standard, besides your indignation

'collateral damage is not murder'

because as you state:

"You know, things like intentionally murdering children is a bad thing."

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[Forkboy]

26. Collateral damage

is when people are killed by accident.When you bomb an apartment full of people if you dont know innocents will get killed you must be incompetant and shouldn't be delivering newspapers,let alone bombs.

(you is used in the general sense in my post)

[number6]

49. you are so right ! Forkboy

:thumbsup:

[number6]

50. thats how I feel

:eyes:

[HawkerHurricane]

31. And a BOMB is not a military operation?

Tell you what, let me do the operation. I'll work on the assumption that there is no way in hell that we can take this terrorist alive, since that seems to be the one you're working under. (Big assumption)

I'll hire a sniper. BANG. One man dead, the one you and I wanted dead, and no colateral damage beyond a busted window.

Right tool for the job.

[Muddleoftheroad]

32. Funny thing about snipers

When people hide in buildings and come out disguised, it's hard to use them.

This scumbag was an active threat to Israeli lives. The IDF wisely chose to hit him when it could.

[Forkboy]

33. Well if a sniper is wrong

only one person dies.An indiscriminate bomb kills a lot more.

Killing one group of innocents to protect another is wrong,plain and simple.

[Muddleoftheroad]

34. No, if a sniper is wrong, the terrorist gets away

And dozens or hundreds of Israelis could be killed.

[Forkboy]

35. So killing dozen of innocent Pals

is ok,but killing dozens of innocent Israelis is bad?

Sorry,but that is logic I'll never understand.

[Muddleoftheroad]

38. Again, you misstate the situation

There are only two viable scenarios in the Palestinian areas.

1) Blast the building from the air. -- No Israelis harmed. Terrorist harmed. Palestinians who are in the same building with terrorist possibly harmed. (The word innocent is bandied about, but I don't believe they all fall into that category. Surely, those in the apartment with him knew who and what he was.)
2) Send in troops and start another major battle in a Palestinian area killing both Israelis AND Palestinians, possibly by the hundreds.

I choose No. 1.

[Forkboy]

41. Wow

Have you lived in an apertment building with multiple units? Do you really believe everyone knows everyone? I have many times,and I never knew more than a couple of other people.

Did you ever think that maybe the terrorist keeps to himself and his family? They tend to be secretive types ya know.

Unreal....

on edit,this discussion is done for me.My sickened quotient for the day is all full.

[Muddleoftheroad]

42. I have been to Israel

And I don't think the terrorists are that damn secretive. I think many in the neighborhoods both know them and celebrate them.

Yes, there are bound to be innocents. Just as there are bound to be innocents in any scenario.

[HawkerHurricane]

45. By blowing up a building

Thereby making every relative of anyone killed or injured in the building an enemy and a active threat to Isreali lives. And then hope you got the right building, since there's no guarentee that he was in the building at the time (what with disguises and all), and bombs sometimes miss. (So do snipers, but when they miss they usually only kill one wrong person.)

Both sides are acting like barbarians. Neither one will win. And the war will not end until it is fought with knives.

I fail to see the difference between blowing up a building to get one terrorist, and a terrorist blowing up a building. Barbarism.

[Muddleoftheroad]

46. There is one hell of a difference

Most here seem to expect Israel to just sit there and take it. Bomb after bomb. Dead civilian after dead civilian. Murdered baby after murdered baby.

The Palestinian people make no attempt to stop it. Israel must. Again, if what you want is a full-scale invasion to get one terrorist, then I ask you to reflect back on the world outrage over the PA fantasies about Jenin. I also ask you to recall the Israeli dead that died because Israel wouldn't do the smart thing and simply bomb the camp from the air.

Never again.

[Name removed]

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[number6]

51. The Palestinian people haven't the resources to arrest and

detain Hamas, IJ, Hezbollah or the Martyrs Brigade.

and by the way, why is it necessary to level a whole
village ?

[Muddleoftheroad]

52. Yes they do

They lack the will, leadership or desire. If they really wanted to do so, Arafathead could have ordered it.

[Care Bear]

10. or get on a

bus

or go to a
cafe

or drive by a
school


with a load of explosives



nope, not murder, said the blind woman

[Forkboy]

11. I never said that wasn't murder

You're the one claiming it's only pals killing pals.We have illustrated that is false.

[ex_jew]

5. Matters would be complicated by peacekeepers ?

Indeed. Why mess up such a pretty picture as we have now. The IDF must retain a free hand to "resolve" things with helicopter gunships. Outsiders could never understand.

[Care Bear]

8. No one here is talking about peacekeepers.

[Forkboy]

13. UIm,hello

from the article AT THE TOP OF THIS THREAD;

Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom "categorically" rejected Tuesday the deployment of an international peace keeping force in the Gaza Strip after Israel evacuates most of its settlements there.

The whole topic is about peacekeepers.Please pay attention.

[RFK MLK PW]

21. LOL

You have a good sense of humor.

However, I agree with Care Bear in that we aren't talking about peacekeepers when we are talking about the international Israel-hating community and their forces.

Perhaps you should pay attention to nuance.

Hi, Care Bear!

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

23. Is this like a Z.O.G. kind of thing....

in other words...bullshit

"we aren't talking about peacekeepers when we are talking about the international Israel-hating community and their forces."

ohhh, and the 'forces'

[Forkboy]

28. not interested in your take on the UN

the article talks of peacekeepers.Carebear said it wasn't about peacekeepers.

Perhaps you should pay attention to the actual words used.

[lefty_mcduff]

16. Opposed to the "internationalisation of the conflict"?

Hmmm. Where do those Apaches come from? The tanks? The dough? The opinions on how to solve the conflict? It's already 'internationalized' (sic?). Rather than looking to the international community to supply weapons, perhaps Peacekeepers might be a better approach....

[RFK MLK PW]

22. Peacekeepers is the way to go!

However, they don't exist when it comes to Israel. There are only those who wish to destroy Israel and that isn't really peacekeeping, now is it?

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

24. the anti-ZOG?

"There are only those who wish to destroy Israel and that isn't really peacekeeping, now is it?"

ummm, ok

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[Noon_Blue_Apples]

30. enjoy your stay

as you stated:

"we aren't talking about peacekeepers when we are talking about the international Israel-hating community and their forces."

ya, as credible as ZOG or your favorite Protocols BS - the IIHC - international israel hating community.(and lets not forget their 'forces')

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[_Jumper_]

37. What is it afraid of?

What harm are few peacekeepers going to do?

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40. With what and how?

With a few uzi's?

[RFK MLK PW]

43. I can't see into the future;

I only know past is prologue.

The international community will never be even-handed toward Israel.

Did you know our own State Department was against making it a state in 1947?

[_Jumper_]

44. What harm can they do, though?

They are tokens that will cause a reduction in much reckless behavior, not impose a solution.

Yes I know that. President Truman did the right thing by overruling it. Too bad we have a puppet in the White House now.