Strife Within Likud

[Scurrilous]

http://english.daralhayat.com/opinion/02-2004/Article-20040201-7232fbe2-c0a8-01ed-001c-22ffce15730a/story.html

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"In early 1980 a military helicopter hovered over the settlement of Netzarim. In it sat the then Minister of, Sharon and the military governor of the Gaza Strip, Brigadier General Yitzhak Segev. Segev told Sharon, his former commander in the Paratroopers Corps, that he was deeply worried. "I have to defend a sort of concentration camp, surrounded by yet another concentration camp, the Nusseirat refugee camp. This is almost mission impossible. What's the point?"

Sharon retorted with no hesitation: "I want that every night the Arabs will see Jewish lights at a distance of 500 meters."

This episode illuminates the Sharon settlement strategy. Not paving the way for messianic redemption by seizing parts of Eretz Israel, as Gush Emounim, who had pioneered the settlements (in 1968) would have it; nether taking over at least one of the two banks of the Jordan river, as the nostalgics of Ze'ev Jabotinsky's movement (by then headed by Menachem Begin) claim.

It was not even pure military considerations (regarding commanding hills or sensitive crossroads, for instance) that motivated Sharon. It was plainly the desire to create a "demonstration effect," to show who's boss, the master of the territory."

[GabysPoppy]

1. One old quote deserves another

The Jews are Jews, whether Labour or Likud, the Jews are Jews. They do not have any moderates or any advocates of peace. They are all liars. They are the ones who must be butchered and killed. As Allah the Almighty said: 'Fight them.' Allah will torture them by your hands and will humiliate them and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers. ... Our people must unite in one trench, and receive armaments from the Palestinian leadership to confront the Jews. ... Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Whenever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them — and those who stand with them — they are all in one trench, against the Arabs and the Muslims — because they established Israel here, in the beating heart of the Arab world, in Palestine. They created it in order that it be the outpost of their civilization — and the vanguard of their army, and to be the sword of the West and the Crusaders, hanging over the necks of the Muslim monotheists, the Muslims in this land. They wanted the Jews to be the spearhead for them...”

— Dr Ahmad Abu-Halabia, a member of the "Fatwa Council"
appointed by the Palestinian Authority and the
former acting Rector of the Islamic University in Gaza,
delivered in the Zayd bin Sultan Nahyan mosque in Gaza
on October 13, 2000, the day after the lynching of the Israeli
reservists in Ramallah, and carried live on Palestinian television

[Forkboy]

2. Just reinforces my thoughts

that both sides are mentally unstable.

[GabysPoppy]

3. I agree

Want to share the Prozac concession?

[David__77]

4. Clincal specimen of anti-Semitism.

This statement is a concentrated expression of anti-Semitism. It is horrible that such racism runs rampant throughout the Arab world and among the Palestinian people. Luckily, there are more enlightened Arab and Palestinian people who recognize that this is not a racial issue or a religious issue.

[Aidoneus]

5. and what is the relevance of that..

to the Jewish colonies placed inside of occupied Gaza?

Sharon's energetic support for them and others in his career is very relevant to his recent posturing to the contrary. But of course, Sharon's old habits are hard to fully break and too much should not be read into his words:--even as he rightly speaks of bringing these colonies to an end, the army kills more people in Gaza in yet another invasion of Rafah.

[GabysPoppy]

6. Response

If there is relevance to Sharon's words 20 odd years ago, there is relevance to this statement 3 1/2 years ago. In fact considering the difference in time, it has MORE relevance.

[Aidoneus]

7. there's not much of an overlap here

Sharon's past thoughts on the Gaza colonies that he was a sponsor of are very relevant to his most recent act as a head of state, while Halabia's father has little direct relevance to this except as a diversion or approaching the greater subject in general.

The latter is not something being done. The particular subject here is the divisions within the ruling Likud Party and their fellow travellers over the subject of the colonies inside '67-occupied Palestine, the past tendencies of which quite relevantly relate to Sharon's recent reversal about his thoughts on whether the Gaza portions should be maintained, expanded, or abandoned (he apparently opting for the latter in a surprise reversal considering his past tendencies, many of his peers lean towards the former), as well as consideration to the philosophy at work behind this alteration.

Thus, it ties very directly into the subject. Yours represented an obvious diversion. What was your source for that quote, by the way? I'm familiar with the quotation and it is not a source that I ask for, but rather where you cut'n'pasted it from.

[Lurking Dem]

8. I can no longer see the word "strife"

without thinking "gonads".

It's a gift.

And a curse.

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