The mother of all hatreds

[End Evil]

We favor a Palestinian state, but we've started to wonder what kind of viable state can ever be founded on suicide bombings. We wonder more after this week's suicide bombing in Gaza.

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In a certain sense, a suicide bomber's sex is irrelevant. Male or female, they're all reprehensible and tragic figures -- primarily because of the victims they create and secondarily because of the perversion of humanity that these acts represent. But when the Palestinian terror masters send out young mothers so parts of their bodies can, as Al-Reyashi herself put it, "fly all over," they know they're trafficking in a different kind of terror. And so do we.

These bombers are intended to make a new statement and trigger a new kind of Israeli response -- more careful, and to some eyes more humiliating, security inspections of Palestinian women.

It's a strange kind of mother's love that abandons two young children. But, then, it's a strange kind of love of country that's founded on suicide attacks. Al-Reyashi, however, offered some key to this perversion in a farewell videotape released after the attack. "It was always my wish," she told the camera, "to turn my body into deadly shrapnel against the Zionists and to knock on the doors of heaven with the skulls of Zionists."

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[SlavesandBulldozers]

1. overwhelming hatred

two pig-headed people at each other's necks. if the Palestinian people shifted to non-violent protest they would immediately win their cause. If the Israeli occupation forces refused to take part , they would immediately cause a chain reaction of peace.

Factions on both sides would never allow that to happen.

[xchrom]

2. uh there is history

of non-violence on the part of palestinians after 1949.
but the apartheid status of that population continued.
and yes, there was oppresion of that population, though of course disagreement becomes pretty hot at that point.
but remember -- it was considerably violent to replace one population of for another just to declare new state.
but of course that get's contested too --

[Jim Sagle]

3. What history is that? I can't find it in any book.

:shrug:

[The Magistrate]

6. You Are Correct, Mr. Sagle

There is no history of non-violence on the part of the Arab Nationalists in this matter; quite the contrary.

There were, particularly in the wake of the '67 war, some occassions of peaceful protest by Arab Palestinians in the territories Israel over-ran then. These persons were arrested by Israel authorities, and shot by Arab Nationalists; it did not last long.

[rockymountaindem]

4. I don't know what you're talking about...

Besides, at that point the West Bank was controlled by Jordan and Gaza was in the hands of Egypt. A lot of the Palestinians wanted to be a part of Syria or Jordan then. I don't know of any non-violent protests against Israel at the time. All I know about were the cross-border Fedyaeen attacks on Israeli buses.

[forgethell]

5. Remebeer, though

It may take two sides to have a fight, but it also takes two sides to make peace. Up to now, one side has not shown any desire for peace, except by the utter destruction of the other side.

[Comadreja]

7. No Justice, no Peace

The common Palestinians long for peace, but also long for their stolen lands. What good is peace without justice? This desire for what is rightfully theirs is twisted by Likud apologists into a lack of desire for peace. Now it is Sharon who has demonstrated a lack of desire for peace.

[number6]

9. No Justice, no Peace

its that simple !!!! :thumbsup:

[Jim Sagle]

10. Lotsa luck with that.

:boring:

[Comadreja]

16. Yes, Injustice is the "Roadblock to Peace"

Put in place by Israel on the Road to Peace, which is not shown on Bush's Roadmap to Peace.

[Muddleoftheroad]

11. The definition of "justice"

The problem remains that the two sides see the term differently. Other groups have sought justice from their enemies, they seldom find it.

It seems to me that the Palestinian people most want a state. To accomplish that, they need Israel's help. Further, to survive in their neck of the woods economically, they need to work with Israel, not against it.

That means they need peace that is not just acceptable to them, but to Israel.

Of course, that means they need to offer peace. Not just a lower level of violence, but real peace. No terror. Something they have never proven they will do.

[bluesoul]

12. Oh sure

never, aha....

[Muddleoftheroad]

14. Peace means ending terror

Please point to that one.

[Comadreja]

15. Obfuscation changes nothing

Let us define justice, let us define peace, let us define oppression, let us define everything to cloud the issue. The Palestinians want their land back. That is not acceptable to those who have taken it from them. Sharonist Israel is not going to help them. Do you think someone who has taken your land and threatens you with a gun is trying to be "helpful"? The U.N. would be helpful, because they would be working for the basic human rights of all. Shall we now define "human rights"?

[Muddleoftheroad]

18. The UN

Is a classic bureaucracy. It doesn't work for human rights, it tends to work for its own.

[sushi]

17. Well said

"This desire for what is rightfully theirs is twisted by Likud apologists into a lack of desire for peace."

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[Gimel]

13. Parallel action?

Do you think taking statements (1983) out of context and reporting them as poison then equals the death of 21 innocent civilians (2004)? It seems such repeated charges, as well as a mix of other poisonous elements get the genocidal results we've seen.

Remember, that freedom of speech is not license to kill.

Edited for clarity.