Israel stands alone at conclusion of ‘toughest’ U.N. General Assembly

[Come Together]

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“Given the upsurge in anti-Semitism, we cannot support a resolution on religious tolerance without mentioning anti-Semitism by name,” said Arye Mekel, deputy permanent representative of Israel to the United Nations.

“We represent not just the Jewish state, but the Jewish people,” said Mekel.

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“The most shameful moments came in the fate of the Irish resolution, and also in the Israeli attempt to focus on the plight of the Israeli children as victims of terror,” said David Harris, the executive director of the American Jewish Committee.

“Tragically, the U.N. G.A. is unwilling to face up to anti-Semitism as a separate and distinct threat, and to the plight of Israeli children who’ve been among the victims of terrorist acts.”



http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=13599&intcategoryid=4

[JohnLocke]

1. Welcome to DU, Come Together.

You'll like it here.
:toast: :toast:

[Come Together]

10. Do you think so?

I appreciate the welcome, but I came to debate democratic issues only to find Israel is the enemy here...news to me!

Ya know, the democrats might just be taking the tremendously high percentage of Jews who vote for them for granted. This reminds me of when African-Americans pretty much said, "enough"!

[JohnLocke]

21. Here, Here!

;)

[Come Together]

22. Harumph!

:pals:

:kick:

[dudeness]

27. welcome come together..

I would hope that you find that Israel is not the enemy here, as much as Palestinians are not the enemy..but much heated and passionate debate surrounding the path to eventual resolution of this festering conflict..as much as the article posted above indicates politics is a tough game and I/P forum is no different..

cheers..

[damnraddem]

2. Israel has staked its claim:

it's not against religious intolerance in general, just when it's directed against Jews.

[Come Together]

4. Link, please

The article addressed the issue of Jews.

Provide proof that Israel is for religious intolerance.

Link, please

[Saudade]

6. How about

"Provide proof that Israel is for religious intolerance."


How about the recently passed law that prohibits visas for people to emigrate to Israel to marry non-jews?

How about the fact that 80% of the real property in Israel that isn't privately owned is held by the Jewish National Fund and available for purchase or rent only to jews?

[Darranar]

11. Not exactly religious intolerance...

but here is a thread that might interest you...

[Come Together]

15. Thank you, Darranar, for

showing me this forum has actually improved in quality.

Amazing.

BTW, most of your posts were very good on a very sad topic; one which, as they all seem to get on I/P, is seen through the opposing sides of hate/fear/resentment...it's so sad.

[Saudade]

3. Israel

Israel's insistence that anti-semitism must be treated as a "special" category of religious discrimination is designed to preserve the category of "anti-semitism" as a political tool in silencing those who would and will continue to criticize Israel's barbaric methods of achieving its colonialist objectives.

It won't work in the long run.

History clearly demonstrates that anti-colonial liberation movements always succeed in the long run, and Israel is on the wrong side of history.

[Come Together]

7. The problem is that

anti-Semitism isn't all about religion.

Israel has no colonialist objectives. She would like to live in peace. The Arabs have not allowed that since they made war upon her immediately after the State of Israel was chartered by the U.N. and they haven't stopped since.

shades of gray; tolerance of ambiguities; these are things necessary for understanding Jewish history and how it fits in with the modern State of Israel

[Saudade]

9. Wrong

"Israel has no colonialist objectives."

That is mistaken.

Not only is zionism essentially a colonial enterprise, this enterprise continues, as a continuation of the 1948 war.

"Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population - an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is, in toto, our policy towards the Arabs..." Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923.

"A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE!... Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important... to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot - or else I am through with playing at colonizing."Vladimir Jabotinsky, founder of Revisionist Zionism (precursor of Likud), The Iron Wall, 1923.

[Come Together]

13. Wrong

Not only have Jews had a constant presence on the land of Israel for thousands of years, it was the U.N. who created the State of Israel.

If the Arabs hadn't kept making war or murdering Olympic athletes or sending in suicide bombers; there would have been a peaceful co-existence since May 14, 1948.

As Abba Eban said, "The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." If, instead of listening to the other Arabs, they had accepted the 2-state solution in 1948, there would be a Palestinian state and an Israeli state side by side.

[Saudade]

14. Sure

"Not only have Jews had a constant presence on the land of Israel for thousands of years, it was the U.N. who created the State of Israel."

Sure, sure, a "constant presence" like it says in the Bible. Blah blah blah.

You're argument is with Jaboninsky, not with me, I think.

[Come Together]

16. I am not religious.

I do not read the Bible.

The 'Jews had a constant presence in the land of Israel for thousands of years' come straight from history.

[Saudade]

18. Not sure

"The 'Jews had a constant presence in the land of Israel for thousands of years' come straight from history."

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

If you mean that the jews have been anything but an extremely tiny minority in Palestine for thousands of years, you are wrong. That's why I assumed that your remark was based on the Bible.

Moreover, your remark smells like some sort of attempt to justify ethnic cleansing, the sort that began in 1948 and continues to this day.

I do not tolerate that sort of thing, to the extent I am able to dissent.

[brainshrub]

23. No colonialist objectives?????

Israel has no colonialist objectives.

And what are those settlers doing in the occupied territories? If those aren't colonizers I don't know what is.

ON EDIT: Welcome to DU. :toast:

[Darranar]

5. Why should anti-semitism be specifically mentioned?

And the GOI does not represent the Jewish people...

[Come Together]

8. Why shouldn't it be mentioned when

it is the elephant in the living room, so to speak, whenever Israel is discussed?

No, the GOI doesn't represent the Jewish people any more than the GOUSA represents us...this is an editorial piece.

[Darranar]

12. What about anti-Muslim racism?

And what did this resolution have to do with Israel?

The Government of Israel is not the government of the Jews. Jews cannot vote in Israeli elections. At least the government of the USA is (with the exception of the current president) elected by the people...

[Come Together]

17. Are you saying that the government

of Israel is not elected?

We got Bush; they got Sharon...such a bargain...oy.

[Darranar]

19. No...

I am saying that ISRAELIS elect the government of Israel, not the world's Jewish population.

There is a very clear difference.

[Come Together]

20. There certainly is!

Thank you for clarifying your intent.

:toast:

[MikeGalos]

25. Why should it not be specifically mentioned?

Care to list any other bigotries that you think should be left out?

Perhaps we could abolish all mention of all bigotries? If so, I could see your point. But, of course, then we'd have to skip specifics and we'd be left with, "bigotry can be bad".

I'd say that a bigotry with a growth in violent incidents, huge significance in international politics from major international leaders and a history of genocide within the memory of a good part of the planet deserves mention. And, hey, even if I'm wrong it hurts nobody but the bigots that are being criticized and I, for one, have no problem with bigots being offended by having a little light shone on them.

How about you?

[Darranar]

26. Please explain how anti-semitism is not intolerant.

[MikeGalos]

28. Huh?

Since I'd say anti-Semitism is a particularly nasty form of intolerance and have said so many times, I have no clue what you're asking.

[Jim Sagle]

29. Yes it does.

[brainshrub]

24. Israel stands alone

with an 800 pound gorrila named Uncle Sam.

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[MikeGalos]

31. Well

this is a mind-bogglingly idiotic and bigoted proposal with no background in history, justice or law. So, what group came up with this idiocy? I'd love to know so I can laugh at anything else they write!

[drdon326]

32. MIKE....

its so rediculous...maybe its better in the original
dialect.

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