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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 07:44 AM
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MESS Report / Are the Palestinians silencing the attempted rape of U.S. peace activist?
The story of the Palestinian popular protest against Israel in several West Bank villages has recently garnered worldwide praise. However, as with any other massive movement, the popular protest too has its darker sides. The Palestinian Authority, as well as the leaders of the Palestinian popular protests in villages such as Bil'in, Na'alim, Umm Salmuna, have been trying to keep the following story away from both public knowledge and the media's eye: One of the more prominent Umm Salmuna activists – a village south of Bethlehem, long entrenched in a battle against the West Bank separation fence – is suspected of the attempted rape of an American peace activist who had been residing in the village as part of her support of the local protest.

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The U.S. citizen was then convinced to retract her complaint, as to avoid tainting the image of the popular protest, which had attracted praise from around the world in recent months.

However, the Umm Salmuna case is not the only one. Separation fence activists know of other incidents in which Palestinians molested and sexually assaulted foreign peace activists, a subject which was apparently raised in the discussions of the various popular committees.

Foreign female peace activists regularly participate in protests in the villages of Bil'in, Na'alin, and others, where the activists stay in separate houses. Some villagers do not agree with these housing arrangements, claiming that the villages' youth, who frequently visit the activists, are corrupted by the young women.


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http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/mess-report/mess-report-are-the-palestinians-silencing-the-attempted-rape-of-u-s-peace-activist-1.301905
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 08:22 AM
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1. those dirty raping palestinians
what kind of traif propaganda is this bullshit?

Israel really doesn't want to go tit for tat on coverups. IF it happened that's terribly unfortunate and needs to be addressed either way, but the tone of that article smells a bit rodent-ish.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 12:57 PM
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2. Haaretz isn't a state run newspaper that spews government propaganda.
Do you also find articles highly critical of Israel to "smell a bit rodent-ish"?
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 01:17 PM
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3. yes indeed I do.
But thank you for fishing in an empty pond with that one, just the same.

I took that article on its own face value, not the entire news organization.
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Dick Dastardly Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 01:43 AM
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13. So you are saying the pond has been artificially stocked? Do you have evidence of this?
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 01:47 AM by Dick Dastardly
Rape is something that happens in all countries and unfortunately will continue to happen, how its dealt with is one important indicator of the level of justice there is. All other things being relatively equal, how it is dealt with is more important than the fact that it occured.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 06:48 PM
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18. Do you have evidence otherwise? n/t
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 12:31 AM
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4. You have no shame at all. Why your bigoted attacks against the indigenous people
and very, very thinly veiled smearing operations are allowed to continue here is something I cannot answer.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:00 AM
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5. Yes, any type of criticism/demonization of Israel/Zionists is fine. Anything remotely critical
Edited on Thu Jul-15-10 05:35 AM by shira
...of Palestinian leadership, organizations, etc... is bigotry.

Got it.

Hey, isn't that what you accuse Zionists of doing? Trying to silence dissent by labeling any and every criticism bigotry, antisemitism, etc.?

:eyes:

To not be critical of Palestinians is actually neo-colonialist or the racism of low expectations. Maybe you believe Hamas/Fatah and other corrupt Palestinian organizations are above criticism.

:shrug:

If you were there, would you have worked to cover up rape / attempted rape stories in order not to 'embarass' the indigenous people?

Lastly, Haaretz scooped the story. They're one of Israel's most liberal papers. Were they wrong to report this shameful bigoted 'smear' attack?
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:03 AM
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7. Your smears are as transparent as they are shameful.
You take one incident involving a Palestinian male and a US woman to reinforce the racist stereotyping you share with so many in your segment of the political spectrum. That is rather different than a report on official or officially sanctioned policies and acts.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 06:27 AM
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9. You must have missed the coverup. It's not about just one incident.
Edited on Fri Jul-16-10 06:54 AM by shira
Face it, you rail against Zionists who can't stand "any criticism" of Israel and label all of it "antisemitism" but you're doing the same from the opposite point of view.

And the only thing "Rightwing" is covering up for rapists or attempted racists in order not to embarass extreme Rightwing activists spewing the Hamas/Fatah party lines (which make Likud look liberal in comparison).
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 12:21 AM
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11. Good to see you wasting so much time here with more baseless accusations.
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 12:21 AM by ConsAreLiars
Who knows what you might be up to if you ever got banned for calling people Nazis or telling them to 'go back to Stormfront.' Probably defecating in a mosque or something equally comparable to what you are allowed to do here.

(edit typo)
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Dick Dastardly Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 01:12 AM
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12. Jews are indigenous too and your constant denial of this is real bigotry not
the phoney bigotry you and others manufacture. Quite frankly your use of indiginous sounds like the bigoted "noble savages" meme.

Anyway WTF does being indigenous have to do with rape anyway unless you think that because they are indigenous "noble savages" its ok for them to do it or they should get a pass because they are not fully in control of themselves yet? Please explain?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 02:15 PM
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14. Jews are indigenous? To where?
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 02:15 PM by azurnoir
Israel? Then what is all that stuff about escaping slavery in Egypt?
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Dick Dastardly Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 03:12 PM
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15. Arabs are from Arabia and conquered what is now Israel.
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 03:30 PM by Dick Dastardly
Also Jews were in what is now Israel, went to Egypt got enslaved and escaped back. Jews had a Kingdom of Israel with Jerusalem as their capital. There was never a country of Palestine and never a Palestinian/Arab/Muslim capital there. So if you want to start making claims like you did, to deny Jews are indiginous, it wont work. I prefer the real world



In any case back in the real world, both peoples are indiginous and most pro Israel people realize and accept this but most anti Israel people only mean Arabs and Palestinians when they say indiginous as we see in this thread.

Both peoples had many immigrants during the mandate but the anti Israel people only question the legitimacy of Jewish immigration and consider Arab immigrants as indiginous.

Jerusalem has been majority Jewish including E Jerusalem since 1850 but the ethnic cleansing of 100% of EJ Jews in 1948 when Jordan conquered it is accepted as OK, unquestioned and considered Palestinian by the anti Israel crowd.

Your questioning of Jews as indiginous is a perfect example of one of the many hypocracies, double standards and fantasy replacing facts that eminate from the anti Israel people
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 06:31 PM
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16. Really go have proof of that claim?
Also Jews were in what is now Israel, went to Egypt got enslaved and escaped back. Jews had a Kingdom of Israel with Jerusalem as their capital.

one wonders if you actually know the meaning of the word indigenous
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 11:46 AM
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6. Kick.
People around here don't like stories like this. They prefer to think in black and white terms.
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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 04:43 AM
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8. Unlike you, of course, who uses the term 'israel hater' like most people use the word 'the'
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 06:47 PM
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17. yes what a thought provoking timely article
and the first hand testimony of the numerous Western victims of are so convincing except there are none
just a pile of lurid "suspicions"

change a few words and this story could have come out the US South in the 1950's
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