Israel's 'street apartheid' By Mya Guarnieri

[ConsAreLiars]

Al Jazeera found that stoplights that lead to Jewish settlements and neighbourhoods stay green for an average of a minute and a half. In Palestinian areas, it's 20 seconds. One light in predominantly Arab East Jerusalem is green for less than 10 seconds.

...

Budgetary discrimination

Traffic jams are just one of the many problems that plague infrastructure and services in Palestinian areas of Jerusalem. Roads are poorly maintained. They are narrow and bumpy, riddled with cracks and potholes. Street signs and sidewalks are almost non-existent. Trash containers are usually communal and there are often too few to meet the needs of the neighbourhood. Pedestrians, forced to walk on the shoulder of the road, wade through garbage.

Jewish neighbourhoods and settlements, on the other hand, are neat and orderly. Sidewalks and traffic circles keep pedestrians safe; roads are well-marked, some with lit signs. Most buildings have a garbage bin and the streets are free of litter. In one Jewish area, a grassy median is adorned with a rainbow assortment of decorative sculptures - metal children playing, kicking footballs, and riding bikes.

When Al Jazeera presented a list detailing the differences between Jewish and Arab neighbourhoods to the Jerusalem municipality, the spokesperson denied the findings. But, speaking on the condition of anonymity, a former employee of the Jerusalem municipality confirmed that there is discrimination on a budgetary level. The sports department offers the most dramatic example - only 0.5 per cent of funds are allocated to Palestinian neighbourhoods. The other 99.5 per cent goes to Jewish areas.

From: http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010/07/20107101335494763.html

So, which is it? A deliberate policy of systematic collective punishment intended to drive the original inhabitants of the land out of their homes and into refugee camps, or just unchallenged bigotry and contempt for the native population by some bureaucrats who are actually acting against state policy?

[RandomThoughts]

1. If it is bigotry, that is actually a tool.

It is used to break empathy and create conflict that solves nothing, since it is based on nothing.

[ConsAreLiars]

2. Well said. Bigotry is a tool used by those who set policy. Both, not one or the other. (nt)

[Chulanowa]

3. It's both

You can't have the former without the latter.

[shira]

4. This stupidity was debunked months ago

Economist Demonizes Israel with Racist Traffic Light Accusation
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=4&x_article=1836

[Donald Ian Rankin]

5. Denied, not debunked. N.T.

[shira]

7. It's classic make-believe, baseless Rightwing hate trash. Here's a video debunking it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ectEf4eteZE

The Economist and Al Jazeera make Fox News and Arutz Sheva look credible on all things I/P related, in comparison.

What's next, Donald?

- Sex gum?

- Penis shrinking rays?

- Jewish attack pigs?

This kind of "reporting" feeds on intolerance, fear, and outright ignorance.

[whosinpower]

12. This kind of reporting feed on intolerance, fear and ignorance

Pot meet kettle....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x327500

You did this Shira.

[shira]

16. Really? You're comparing a slanderous report to Haaretz' article WRT Palestinian video?

Is there something wrong with Haaretz' report?

Please explain what's hateful, ignorant, or intolerant about it.

[peacetalksforall]

6. An eye for an eye. Always the stupid and backward eye for an eye. But, in this case,

because Israeli Jews appear to be in charge of calling the shots on roads, it appears the eye they went after with this policy is what has been done to them. Taking it out on the Palestinians with whom they have the daily (often deadly) eye for eye games between them.

I can't respect the policies. I abhor eye for eye human relationships.

Yes, apartheid plus infantile decisions.

All thanks and power to those in Israel who want it to be different.

[shira]

8. You need to see the video debunking this hate trash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ectEf4eteZE

This idiotic, mendacious crap does nothing to further the cause of peace.

It does just the opposite.

[Tripmann]

9. LOL AGAIN WITH CAMERA!!

Classic.

[shira]

10. What did you think of the video debunking Al Jazeera's intellectually hopeless, asinine slander?

[Tripmann]

13. You can't even get to the end of that sentence without accusations and vitriol

Pathetic

[shira]

14. I await your thoughts on the video.

[Tripmann]

15. Not worth commenting on, just like the organisation that produced it and their cheerleaders.

[shira]

17. Okay, so you're only interested in personal ad hominem attacks. Got it.

When you have something substantive to say about the Al Jazeera article or the evidence refuting it, let me know.

[Tripmann]

18. LOL! Says the queen of personal attacks!! Too funny

[shira]

20. I'm rubber, you're glue....? Classy. (nt)

[Tripmann]

21. Quick....this is the bit where you ask me an unrelated bullshit shira question

:rofl:

[shira]

29. Did you watch the CAMERA video response to the OP claims?

[Tripmann]

30. Amazing isn't it? The more a story shows israels inhumanity,the more posts you have to make WHAAAAA

[shira]

31. That's a yes or no question. Have you seen the CAMERA video response to the OP?

[Tripmann]

36. CAMERA, the organisation whos sole purpose is to discredit stories

that show your beloved israel in an unflattering light??

Take it over to a site with users that find your sources credible.

[shira]

37. As you see in post #22, another question you've ignored, CAMERA is quite reliable and meticulous

If you can find even one article that's factually inaccurate or dishonest, you'd have a bit more credibility.

My question still stands.

Have you watched the video?

[Tripmann]

47. Invoking CAMERA to make an argument is no better than invoking fox news. You cheapen your argument

But, please, post some more links from your propaganda filth sites.

[shira]

48. So you didn't watch the video. How do you know the OP claims are true?

[Tripmann]

51. I've seen multiple videos from independen sources,who don't exist to provide cover for israels

inhumanities.

Think as a liberal, I'll believe them.

CAMERA LOL!!

[LTX]

52. Well, the least you could do is provide links

to those "multiple videos from independen sources . . ." And I'll ask again, do you have an example of a Camera investigation or report that you believe to be inaccurate?

[Douglas Carpenter]

55. CAMERA is certainly on the extreme end of the spectrum.. one of the most stunning examples

was their review of Spielberg's film Munich when the stridently pro-Israeli film, Munich as anti-Israeli; a film that completely reinforced the standard Israeli narrative on virtually every level . So outrageous was their assessment that even the uncompromisingly pro Israeli - no matter what - President of the ADL, Abraham Foxman came to the defense of Spielberg and the film.

links:

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=1048&x_context=8

http://www.adl.org/media_watch/newspapers/20051229-Jerusalem+Post.htm

I suppose Munich was not Delta Force or other such films which unabashedly caricature Palestinians as subhuman beast bent only on blood lust. CAMERA totally reject the work of Israeli human rights organizations like B'tsellem or Israeli Physicians for Human rights. At virtually every level CAMERA rejects the work by even serious pro-Israeli historians and pro-Israel commentators that even raises the question of Palestinian complaints in favor of an absolutist black and white view that does not countenance even the possibility of peaceful Arab-Israeli coexistence - favoring only military answers. Serious students of Middle East history or current events have little time for CAMERA's demagoguery - which is extreme even by demagogic standards.

[LTX]

65. Thanks for that link:

I hadn't seen Camera's review of Munich, and I don't agree with it either. But then, I disagree with a great many movie reviews, which isn't surprising since they are in essence subjective opinions of the reviewer. Other reports and investigations that I have seen from Camera haven't struck me as out of bounds, and I can't really find anything unreasonable in the Camera report regarding the alleged traffic light conspiracy at issue in this thread. If I find something objectionable in an individual report or investigation, I tend to take issue with that particular report or investigation. If it happens enough times, I'll approach the source of the report with increased skepticism, but I rarely dismiss an entire source out of hand -- that practice is too often an excuse to simply deny reality.

[Tripmann]

58. And again I'll tell you, I don't comment on filth propaganda sources

And you can ask all the questions you want, I'll only be answering the ones I consider relevant to the topic.

[LTX]

66. Actually, you do.

And your comments are rather pointed at that.

[Tripmann]

83. Well I certainly laugh at their use and at the board members who revolve their arguments around them

[shira]

84. If CAMERA's reporting is false or misleading or if their arguments are illogical...

...then surely you can provide at least one example from over 20 years proving CAMERA is unreliable, not credible, and unworthy of being quoted.

What's the holdup?

:shrug:

[Tripmann]

85. Holdup is I'm choosing to converse with the grownups.I'll knock on your wendyhouse for a laugh later

[shira]

86. You shouldn't knock a source if you can't provide any evidence it's unreliable.

[Jefferson23]

73. They don't have a reputation for accuracy, going back a long way.

This was the original program Frontline aired back in the 90's. CAMERA charged the production with bias, and after a long investigation, there
were no fundamental flaws found. The producer believed CAMERA's efforts were about keeping the film off the air, not about accuracy.

Jan. 26, 1993
90 minutes

Journey to the Occupied Lands
As the Arab-Israeli peace talks enter their 17th round of negotiations, Frontline examines the issue which holds the key to peace: the land of the West Bank and Gaza. In a personal journey to the Israeli-occupied territories of the West Bank and Gaza, correspondent Michael Ambrosino explores the bitter and complex issues of land ownership, the scope and future of the Israeli settlements, the realities of Israeli military justice, and daily life under Israeli occupation.

Producer(s): Michael Ambrosino

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/programs/info/1109.html

On edit to add:

snip* His last production found him back on camera after 20 years: a 90-minute special produced with Gillian Barnes, "Journey to the Occupied Lands" for WGBH's Frontline series. The controversial program, revealing life under occupation in the West Bank and Gaza, was, he says, "an unforgettable experience; a long research period, difficult filming, endless editing, a very favorable response to the broadcast, and . . . organized attacks from the far-right Israeli supporters in the U.S."
http://www.current.org/doc/doc808nova.html

[Dick Dastardly]

75. Not true, after a lot of foot dragging they issued multiple corrections.

It was even used as one of the examples in a Congressional sub committee meeting on Public broadcasting


After PBS Correction, Question Remains
CAMERA's Two-Year Effort to Reform Anti-Israel Bias at PBS
The Case of Journey to the Occupied Lands: A Guide for the Perplexed


Official admissions that the PBS-FRONTLINE documentary Journey to the Occupied Lands was marred by errors have led to unprecedented actions:


A correction aired by FRONTLINE in June;

A corrective memo and replacement offer circulated by PBS to previous purchasers of Journey video cassettes and transcripts;

Remastering of the Journey video to incorporate the corrections;

And, finally, a Corporation for Public Broadcasting report to Congress calling on the publicly-funded network to prevent the airing of biased or inaccurate films in the future by creating a fact-checking department. (PBS had given prior assurances to CAMERA that such a department would be established.)

cont
http://wvw.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=55&x_article=108



PBS and Israel: A Pattern of Bias

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=3&x_outlet=18&x_article=583


SUBCOMMITTEE ON
TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND FINANCE

http://www.archive.org/stream/cpbauthorization00unit/cpbauthorization00unit_djvu.txt

[Jefferson23]

76. Wrong, those are from CAMERA, the accuser and there are only 3 minor changes

No bias was found by Louis Wiley, and the changes he ordered were that initially it was claimed that
no exports were permitted from Gaza during the occupation, it was changed to "some oranges were exported"

Second, a satellite photo was not tagged as being a composite instead of a single photo; and third, an interpretation of the results of one among dozens of legal proceedings in a specific dispute over land was modified. The three charges were judged by the station to be "minor" in the hour-long documentary that featured remarkable footage in which Israeli officials described exactly how they legally seize Arab land. However, the appropriate references will be re-recorded in the narration and copies of the film will be replaced by WGBH if purchasers write in and ask for the amended version.
http://www.washington-report.org/component/content/article/163-1995-july-august/7961-pbs-investigation-refutes-bias-charges-by-pro-likud-group.html

And your link does not reference this film.

[shira]

77. Those are hardly 3 minor errors, as PBS weakly claims in defense

[Jefferson23]

78. To you they aren't, that's clear and not surprising. n/t

[shira]

79. To anyone objective looking for honesty and integrity, what PBS did was nasty

There were deliberate lies, fabrications, and omission of facts which PBS begrudgingly and reluctantly admitted to well after the fact. They could have done the right thing, investigated, and immediately retracted/apologized for their false and misleading report. They didn't. And you call that 'minor'.

Meanwhile, you have yet to provide any articles from CAMERA's entire history that are false, misleading, dishonest, etc...

Give us reason to believe PBS is more reliable and honest than CAMERA. Are you up for the challenge?

[Jefferson23]

81. I already did, and you are beyond unreasonable to even suggest

that PBS has it out for Israel. Other than CAMERA, and their supporters, no one buys that garbage you're selling.

[shira]

82. Do you believe the 'errors' in the PBS program were basically unintentional?

[LTX]

22. Odd.

Can you please identify for me any reports by Camera that you believe to have been inaccurate? I've found them to be be both accurate and rather meticulous.

[peacetalksforall]

11. I will go and watch it and hope you're right. What about the video showing

Palestinians who get up in the middle of the night to line up at a gate approach that is like a chicken cage, but with heavy-metal steel-like properties? They line up so that they can get checked through so as not to be late for their. job? Sometimes, no one shows up to work the gate they are standing at?

All in the heat or cold of Israel?

Where is the humanity?

At some point their must be some improvement? After they make the olive trees re-appear? And the people are back living in their homes? And what about the Gazans?

What if we stand in line to find out what is true and isn't?

This is drawn out and tiring and we are NOT even the Palestinians. (Edited to add not).

And we can take a quite perfect guess at the motive.

[shira]

19. I await your thoughts on the video. As to your questions...

...you think the motive for checkpoints, the barrier, blockade are not related to security against terror attacks?

Tell me, in the interest of peace and human rights, what should Israel realistically or practically do to avoid/stop terror attacks against its own citizens w/o harming Palestinians in any way?

[peacetalksforall]

23. Gather creative minds and souls to figure out HOW Jews can prove they have

the intentions of ALL legal residents of Israel in mind and prove it and follow through. Ship the bulldozers out of the country. Don't try to make the world believe that they are not taking the homes, land, and trees of Palestinians. Give up the ridiculous eye for an eye positions that also says Palestinians can't go crazy with body bombs and lobbying missles while Israel can go crazy bombing the infrastruture out of Lebanaon and Gaza. And use white phosphorus and cluster bombs. Stop trying to make people feel sorry of Jews. Listen to the people of Israel who want to get along with Palestinians. Stop crying treaties don't work. Stop thinking that we can't see through the maneuvers, strategies, tactics and the huge decisions to expand into the legal territory that Palestinians were meant to have. Honor and respect people for the need to have the simple basics of life and healing as in Gaza plus human, creative opportunity like normal people.

It's obvious the Jews of Israel believe that all the land within the border, the city of Jerusalem, and a third or more of the Mediterranean belong to Israel.

And we know that there is money in maintaining war betweeen Jews of Israel and the Palestinians or Israel. So just ignore my pitiful comments while I continue to hope and trust that there are creative minds who could figure it out for the sake of mankind.

I am old. The antipathy I feel for Israel policy now is equal to the unqualified support I gave Israel over decades. I didn't change. The Jews of Israel changed. Someone has to wake up and realize that Jews can't depend on support with all these actions which reveal tons about the mindset and callous disrespect for other humans.

The militant Palestinians are acting no differently than mankind historically.

Unless both sides see the possibility of both acting like adults - then we are left with the constant mostly disgusting news coming from there.

I think the peacemakers and voices of peace within and without Israel who are Jews who speak and act with a heart that I can admire.

Sorry for all my anger, it happens each time there is an event.

Now back to the threats of Israel and the U.S. against Iran. Mankinds last war. Not really? Then why do they go on for years threatening? They should stop with the scare tactics and loud mouths talking against the loud mouth of the leader of Iran. Presently, it is just like children on a see-saw, but with the biggest of the cancer bombs. If not, it is the end of hope for people who are supposed to be adults, including the big chested loudmouths of our military who are always itching for real war action, plus our politicians and the corporations and corporatemedia.

[shira]

24. Do you believe Iran-backed Hamas and Hezbollah will seek genuine peace with Israel...

...once Israel does all the good it can possibly do?

My bet is that no matter which loving and peaceful gestures and actions Israel undertakes, Hamas and Hezbollah and all their hateful warmongering supporters will just view those actions as a sign of weakness. They'll be emboldened and encouraged to attack more.

History proves this.

So what should Israel realistically do once they've already made nice with Palestinians but are attacked even more viciously by Hezbollah, Hamas, etc.?

Anything at all?

[peacetalksforall]

26. Is the question do you start with mere citizens and work up or do you start at the top and work down

First, both need to start with the children and what is wanted for all of them. And what is expected of each based on supposedly being a human and brother/sister within the human race.

Then, you examine the top and expose the wealth accumulating in their pockets for continually being at war. And you look at the friends they keep.

Then you look at the greed and arrogance of taking the other person's life and land.

Whatever it is - it is NOT what is going on exept by a few who ignore the horrible leaders.

It is sick - as sick as this country. To be blunt.

[shira]

28. So to get back to my question, if Israel does all you recommend and rockets, etc.. are still flying

Then what should Israel realistically do to defend its own citizens without harming any Palestinians?

[peacetalksforall]

34. Isn't the point made - creative minds can stop the missiles by using brains

and talents to negotiate
. to not always take from the less powerless
. to not perpetuate the eye for an eye juvenile redress
. to not always elect the greedy and arrogant - to find someone with some humility who can respect and can persuade..
. to not lead unilaterally and selfishly.

The brazen arrogance of right wing Israel leaders shouts blatant arrogance and motivation. It signals that there is no intention to talk to Palestinians and it is ALL about pushing them out- cleasing the land of them.

It is and has been true on the other side, but few of us in the U.S. know the leaders on the other side - Israel has the media here in their pocket. They are the ones who get the camera time, the meetings with the President and Vice Presidents, no matter who is in charge. The scales are tipped and the picture isn't pretty.

Someone has to figure out how to get it started and who should do it.

One of the ways it will never get started is to not talk and continue to take.
The divide between the people who face the encroachment and those who go to worldwide meetings is major. It id does no good to talk to the leaders, the start with the people.
But again it is useless as long as Israel continues to take.
The actions are like looing at a picture. Everyone recognizes the word bulldozer and can image the rest of it. Everyone recognizes olive trees and can picture them being cut down to make a point.

Something has to be done about the whining. Each side whining against each other at all levels.

Ask the peace seekers, not angry people like me.

[shira]

39. Hamas and Hezbollah are clear that they will fight Israel to the end.

I'm just asking for realistic solutions, not idealistic fantasy.

If you think Israel shouldn't respond militarily to rockets and terror, just say so.

[peacetalksforall]

45. Who the heck do you think I am. I don't sit around studying Hamas and Hezbollah or the Likud Party

like a think tank employee would. Solution? I repeat, who do you think I am. Weirdness. You're obviously looking for a military answer and it is impossible for me as I am starting to despise modern day military. And I actually feel very, very sorry for many of the young kids who have to fight in the Israeli Army and the Palestinian movements. I feel very, very sorry for them. So don't look to me for your kick.

Head and heart and creative humanity is where it starts. The desire, the need. Evidently, neither CERTAIN Israeli's or CERTAIN Palestinians have the head or the heart or feel a need to resolve it. So the whining and eye for an eye goes on - juvenile in perpetuus.

Again, I praise those who are doing things together - removing walls in their own way. Thank goodness for good neighbors and also praise to all those who use the arts to establish kinship. I hope it is never outlawed.

[shira]

49. You think Hamas and Hezbollah will play nice if Israel plays nice?

We can all hope for that but what if they don't want to play nice, no matter what Israel does?

What is Israel to do then?

[peacetalksforall]

53. Sorry, you are perpetuating military solutions. I can't be bothered. We are not

on the same side.

[shira]

56. I just want to know what you believe Israel should do to counter Hamas/Hezbollah military actions

If your best answer to that is to do nothing militarily, why not admit it?

Incidentally, are you a pacifist?

[peacetalksforall]

25. Sorry, it may be a wash out. I would not be able to say. In my country there are engineering

reasons behind decisions that are based on usage. Watching a film tells us nothing if there is no attempt to use the same intersection plus a near exact parallel in another part of town.

Then, present it to us in maps and guide us through the controversy. It was a wash out.

I didn't get what the long expressway ride was all about. The logic seemed to say that no one should complain about lights if they take expressways. That ride was a large part of the countering argument and I don't know what it proved.

It all kind of makes we want to put my hands over my ears because it makes me think that it is another version of the words that accompany eye for an eye action fights.

I enjoyed the scenery and hearing how the names of the neighborhoods are pronounced.

When I first heard about Al Jazeera I was cautious about every they said. I have come to appreciate them, I am still cautious. When it comes to Palestinians and Jews - I can't take one side or the other. But, I can look at results and I can look at what proceeded something. And it is always the same old, same old eye for an eye except when it is a major event like Lebanon, Gaze, aid ships, massacres, military training for Iran, loud words everythwere, blatant propaganda including from wealthy acronym organizations. I study what happened to the little people and I sneered at the words of certain leaders, their intellgence officers, the military and their religious leaders.

Credibility is often at zero on both sides.

I study what each side does to their children and the children of the enemy - including young Israeli soldiers who have no make-up for what they ahve to do and Palestinians being trained to be a live, then dead body bomb.

We're not much better in this country - for propaganda, blatant lies, and theft, especially.

[shira]

27. I'm sure it's difficult to admit when certain media is deliberately trying to misrepresent

Check these out and let me know what you think about these "apartheid" claims in the OP and elsewhere:

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2009/12/28/Jerusalem-approves-Arab-housing-units/UPI-81171262005573/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZyEmn4wjnY

[azurnoir]

32. I feel deja vu coming on we've been here before haven't we?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=310145

but the actual facts are this in your overly long youtube vid the houses that Arabs are being allowed {in rare cases) to buy are in actuality built on land stolen from them and being sold to them at inflated prices, when they can get through the "legal" barriers set up, the upi article is concerning Silwan an Arab neighborhood in Jerusalem.,

and here is something more recent on Silwan

"The Jerusalem District Planning and Building Committee is set to approve an unprecedented master plan that calls for the expansion of Jewish neighborhoods in East Jerusalem....The committee's proposal would codify the municipality's planning policy for the entire city," those objecting allowed 60 days to respond. However, at this "stage in the planning process," rarely ever are plans altered, its approval "a fate accompli," regardless of criticisms voiced.

Envisioned for years, architects have been working on it for over a decade to replace an earlier 1959 plan, eight years before the Six Day War. Once approved, accelerated Palestinian home demolitions and dispossessions will follow, Al Jazeera reporting on June 22 that 22 Silwan neighborhood homes will be replaced by a new tourist center, Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat announced, final approval pending, Silwan residents saying it "fast-track(s the city's) Judaisation," preempting "the possibility of Jerusalem ever being a shared city, or indeed capital of a Palestinian state. This in itself precludes peace."

Israeli officials said all 88 Silwan homes are illegal. The remaining 66 may retroactively apply for construction permits, but under a Kafkaesque approval process, all may be demolished, replaced by parks, open spaces, restaurants, boutique hotels, and Jewish only housing - 70 Jewish families already living in Silwan. Others will follow, the same pattern repeated throughout the city - Palestinians displaced, their homes demolished and land expropriated to make all Jerusalem exclusively Jewish, in violation of international law, Fourth Geneva prohibiting property destruction and land seizures in occupied territory.

On June 26, the Palestine Monitor reported that "Hundreds of Israelis joined Palestinians and international peace activists in (Silwan) streets, (protesting) the decision to destroy Palestinian homes, (a) historic show of support....," likely to fare no better than opposition to other Israeli plans over the past decade, failing to stop about 900 demolitions displacing Palestinians.

Through June 2009, the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD) reported thousands more - an estimated 24,145 in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza since 1967, 4,247 alone during Cast Lead, others occurring regularly, illegal under international law, what Israel disdains and rejects, even though a signatory to many, including Geneva.

http://imeu.net/news/article0019402.shtml

[shira]

33. LOL. How are Palestinian Arabs living within the settlements proof of apartheid?

[azurnoir]

35. so a token Palestinian being able to get through the legal barriers set up

is proof positive not to mention that the lone Palestinian purchased her home more than 10 years ago but that's proof

[shira]

38. What one Palestinian? There are many. Your narrative is bogus.

[azurnoir]

40. How many shira, the family of the women in vid doesn't count

and can you name any other settlements outside of the one which is actually in East Jerusalem?

[shira]

41. I've seen denial before, but this is ridiculous. Where do you get that there's only one token

...Palestinian, or Palestinian family, living in the settlements?

[azurnoir]

42. can not answe a direct question huh? n/t

[shira]

43. Remember 500 Arab housing units in Silwan?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2009/12/28/Jerusalem-approves-Arab-housing-units/UPI-81171262005573

Does that count as more than one token Palestinian family?

[azurnoir]

44. repeating yourself didn't you post that on this thread already

the first paragraph reveals

Israel has approved the construction of 500 housing units in Jerusalem's Silwan neighborhood for both Arab and Jewish residents, officials said.

[shira]

50. so please explain how Palestinians living in the settlements is proof of apartheid.

[azurnoir]

54. once again just how many Palestinins live in this

neighborhood? this hardly proof of anything a bit about this area

Demography

Efrat's population is mostly religious Zionist, and includes many Modern Orthodox Jews who have made aliyah from the United States. The official rabbi of Efrat is Shlomo Riskin, an alumnus of Yeshiva University and a disciple of the late Rabbi Joseph Soloveitchik.
Neighborhoods

There are a total of seven neighborhoods currently in Efrat. Rimon, Te'ena, Gefen, Dekel, Zayit, Tamar, and Dagan. All 7 are named after different species in the Seven Species. Rimon correlates to pomegranate; Te'ena to fig; Gefen to grape; Zayit to olive; and Tamar to dates. The names of Dekel and Dagan are derived from the seven species. Dekel means palm which is part of the date tree. Dagan means grain and corresponds with both wheat and barley.

This page was last modified on 8 June 2010 at 13:28.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efrat#Demography

[shira]

57. In the Al Jazeera video, the claim is 100's are buying or already living in settlements

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZyEmn4wjnY

Right around the 2:40 mark.

Also see from around 3:55 to 4:35 and you learn that many Palestinian Israelis are reluctant to buy settlement properties. In addition, this is where the Palestinian woman is introduced as being part of one of the first Palestinian families (plural) to buy in that neighborhood - meaning more are there.

So how many Palestinians living within the settlements will it take in order to drop the dumbass 'apartheid' labeling in that area?

[azurnoir]

61. yawn i watched the video shira n/t

[shira]

63. You asked as though you didn't watch it. The answer to your question was in that video.

[shira]

59. Here's yet another article about thousands of Arabs moving to Pisgat Zev

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32702595/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

And the best part for you...

In 2007, the latest year with available statistics, about 1,300 of Pisgat Zeev's 42,000 residents were Arabs. In nearby French Hill, population 7,000, nearly one-sixth are Arabs, among them students at the neighboring Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Neve Yaakov, with 20,000 people, had 600 Arabs, according to the Israel Center for Jerusalem Studies, a respected think tank.

Israel does a pretty lousy job at apartheid, don't they?

About as lousy as their attempts at ethnic cleansing, genocide, starvation....

:eyes:

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60. presenting an East Jerusalem area as something separate again? n/t

[shira]

62. So much for Jew vs. Arab apartheid in post-1967 settlement areas, right?

[azurnoir]

64. Nope ypour trying to "misle " again n/t

[shira]

67. Back to the OP - how is there "street apartheid" w/ thousands of Palestinians living in settlements?

[azurnoir]

68. it is East Jerusalem that you are talking about

why do you try to mislead or will you once again switch off?

[shira]

69. Oh, so E. Jerusalem isn't occupied territory with mostly Jewish settlements?

[azurnoir]

70. glad to see you admit that however East Jerusalem

has not been included as a definite part of Palestine in either the Geneva or Arab peace intiitve nor in the Oslo accords most make it a separate issue

[shira]

71. The OP is about "street apartheid" in E. Jerusalem. It's bullshit, right?

[azurnoir]

72. No you need to read past the title n/t

[shira]

74. LOL.

[ConsAreLiars]

46. Another location, another example. Same objective and tactics.

From: http://www.linktv.org/scripts/episode_transcript.php?episode=mosaic20100526
The associated video is near the end of this broadcast. Click that segment to start there: http://www.linktv.org/video/5489

Palestinians trapped in village by permanent red light
Al Arabiya TV, UAE

Presenter, Male #1
Residents of the village of Sheikh Sa’ad in East Jerusalem plan to submit a petition to the Israeli Supreme Court to hold the Israeli authorities accountable for setting up a military fence that restricts the activities of the residents. This comes despite their bad experience with the Israeli judicial system, which permitted the isolation of the village from Jerusalem with a dividing wall, while a deep valley and harsh topography already separates it from the West Bank. Ziyad Halabi has the details.

Reporter, Male #1
At the entrance of the village of Sheikh Sa’ad in East Jerusalem, you witness an absurd scene that is almost tragic. A traffic light was set up on the military fence, and a sign was placed to let people know that they are allowed to pass through when the light is green. However, the light is always red.

Guest, Male #1
They put this traffic light here, what do I know? They put a red light here, so you’re not allowed to cross. They say you can pass when the light is green, but it’s always red. Always red!

Guest, Female #1
I’ll tell you what our reality is: our reality is injustice, oppression and humiliation. They don’t let anybody pass through. Not even sick people are allowed to pass through, or dead people in order to be buried. It’s impossible for us to get a burial certificate.

Reporter, Male #1
The story of this village is not only about the traffic light that does not change colors or condition. 3 months ago, Israel’s Supreme Court decided to keep the village on the eastern side of the separation wall, and stripped it from its natural surroundings: the neighboring village of Jabal al-Mukkaber. But now, it is stuck between the separation wall to the west, and a deep valley to the east. The residents are not allowed to enter or exit the village through the military fence in their cars, only pedestrians with blue Jerusalem identification cards are permitted to cross on foot, contradicting the Supreme Court’s decision that stipulated that residents are allowed to enter and exit.

Guest, Male #2
It’s very difficult! For everyone! My children are there, and I can’t see them. They live in the village of Mukkaber. My grandson is in the village of Makassed and I can’t even see him. I mean, we’re not part of the western section and we’re not part of the eastern section.

Reporter, Male #1
About 3,000 people live in this besieged village. Half of them carry West Bank identification cards, and the other half carries Jerusalem’s blue identification cards. They pay property taxes to Jerusalem’s municipality. Since 2005, a quarter of the residents have fled the village due to its isolation by the wall and its suffocating economic and social situation. Even the workers at the electricity company are forced to walk to repair power grids in a village where life has been broken down for years. From the beginning of this report until its end, the traffic light has been red, because it is completely forbidden to enter or exit this isolated island. This matter could summarize the essence of the Israeli settlement policy in Jerusalem. Ziyad Halabi, al-Arabiya, occupied Jerusalem.

Presenter, Male #1
Clashes and scuffles broke out in the neighborhood of Isawiya in Jerusalem between Israeli police forces and Palestinian residents, after the municipality issued orders to demolish some homes. Eyewitnesses said that the demolitions began last night and residents were forced to leave their homes. A spokesman for the Israeli police said that the demolition was in compliance with the municipality’s orders, meant to improve the facilities and infrastructure of the neighborhood.

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80. JERUSALEM: Home demolition leaves mother, four children homeless

Dalal Rajabi, a mother of four children, came home Tuesday to find that her modest two-room house that has sheltered her family for two years had been razed.

A team of Jerusalem municipal workers protected by a large police force came to the Rajabis' 200-square-foot home in Beit Hanina, an East Jerusalem Arab neighborhood, broke down the main door, took the furniture out and proceeded to demolish it. Dalal Rajabi was not home at the time. She had left the house to take her son to see a doctor when the workers and a bulldozer arrived.

“My heart broke when I saw what happened to my home,” said Rajabi, carrying her 3-month-old baby and her three other children, 10, 8, and 5 years old, looking in bewilderment at what was once their house.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2010/07/jerusalem-home-demolition-leaves-mother-four-children-homeless.html