Gov't disturbed by cropped photos

[shira]

The blogosphere was in an uproar Monday regarding allegations that the Reuters news service had intentionally cropped-out incriminating details from photos released a day earlier by a Turkish newspaper showing bloodied IDF naval commandos aboard one of last week’s Gaza-bound protest ships.

The photos, which were published on Sunday in the Turkish Hürriyet daily, showed images of the commandos, their fatigues stained with blood, subdued by passengers aboard the Mavi Marmara – the only vessel where violence erupted when the commandos attempted to board.

But when the photos were released by Reuters later in the day, bloggers immediately cried foul, taking note of discrepancies between the Turkish originals and two in particular that had been filed by the international news organization, claiming that Reuters had purposely excluded a knife from one of the photos, and a knife and even some blood in another.

At the popular blog Little- GreenFootballs.com, which initially took note of the missing knife, the blog’s founder, Charles Johnson, posted the story along with exhibits of both sets of pictures.

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http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177749

[shira]

1. Here's a website with the cropped photos.

http://www.indisputableblog.com/2010/06/07/reuters-doctoring-flotilla-photos/

Looks like some people at Reuters would prefer that those who fought the IDF on the Marmara were really innocent peace activists.

:eyes:

[Swede]

3. That's why an investigation is important.

Impartial and real,though that looks like it might be tough to do.

[subsuelo]

37. the IDF is not to be trusted since it opposes impartial investigation. n/t

[azurnoir]

50. Hurriyet published uncropped too but you can't post those can you? n/t

[shira]

54. But Reuters cropped them. Why? What were they hiding?

[IndianaGreen]

2. Little Green Footballs is a Republican rightwing website

and the Jerusalem Post is run by American rightwingers.

Why don't you quote Free Republic while you are at it?

[shira]

5. I don't give a FF what RW'ers think. Fact is, Reuters edited/cropped photos....

....that make the "peace activists" look bad.

The goons who chose to attack IDF soldiers must be considered humanitarian peace activists, you know.

Israel must be demonized.

:eyes:

[IndianaGreen]

9. Israel is run by a righwing government, and the motherfuckers take $3 billion from USA a year

I rather we invest that money in America, and put Americans to work, than to give it to a bunch of fascist gangsters in Jerusalem.

What do you think about that idea, shira? Money for America, or money for Israel? Take your pick!

Israel to Get $30 Billion in Military Aid From U.S.

By STEVEN ERLANGER
Published: August 17, 2007

JERUSALEM, Aug. 16 — Israel and the United States signed a deal on Thursday to give Israel $30 billion in military aid over the next decade in what officials called a long-term investment in peace.

The officials insisted that the deal was not dependent on a simultaneous American plan for $20 billion in sales of sophisticated arms to its Arab allies, including Egypt and Saudi Arabia. But Israeli officials acknowledged that the aid to Israel would make it easier for the Bush administration to win Congressional approval of the arms sales to Arab countries.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel has not objected to those arms sales, saying that he understands the United States’ need to support moderate Sunni Arab states that, like Israel, are opposed to Shiite Iran’s reach for regional supremacy and nuclear weapons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/17/world/middleeast/17israel.html?_r=1

[shira]

11. Derail another thread with your blind hatred.

[IndianaGreen]

12. I want the billions we waste on Israel to be invested in America. And you?

[shira]

33. Those billions are invested back into the USA

[proteus_lives]

51. It's what she does best.

[shira]

55. Yeah, "look over there" red herrings, etc. Anything to obfuscate.

[EFerrari]

4. LittleGreenFootballs?

Good grief, Max Blumenthal is right. The hard right in Israel is promoting a nationalistic wave using disreputable American sources like Glenn Beck.

From his interview with Amy this morning:

"The distribution of this video by the IDF general press office—and it’s also being passed around on the Facebook pages of a lot of mainstream Israeli journalists, according to my journalistic colleague Didi Remez, who monitors the Israeli media at a website called coteret.org—shows the collective insanity that’s taken hold in Israel, as the Israeli government and many people in the Israeli media apparently thought that this footage, which is just going to be clearly racist to anyone outside of this country—anti-Arab, just absolutely disgusting—was effective hasbara. Hasbara is the Hebrew word for public diplomacy or, at worst, propaganda. And they believe that their own government had failed them in terms of hasbara, so they should resort to footage like this from people who are government apologists, like Caroline Glick, but who aren’t within the government. People in—some of the Israeli journalists I refer to have been distributing Glenn Beck’s—clips of Glenn Beck mocking the Gaza flotilla, as if Glenn Beck were somehow a credible source. People here in the media don’t seem to understand that Glenn Beck is absolutely not credible and is regarded with scorn by the mainstream press throughout the world. And so, this shows not only the catastrophe of public relations, but also the mood that’s taken hold here, which is extremely right-wing and relying on American neocons and American demagogues, like Glenn Beck, to tell the Israeli side of the story."

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/7/israel_rejects_call_for_international_probe

Video, transcript at link

[shira]

6. LOL....you're denying this one too?

[EFerrari]

7. You didn't even read my post, did you, shira?

Look, if the Israeli government press office and its surrogates want to make themselves look utterly ridiculous by using material from Glenn Beck and LittleGreenFootballs, who am I to stand in their way?

LOL

[shira]

8. Were these photos cropped by Reuters? Yes or No?

[IndianaGreen]

10. Do you love Glen Beck? Yes or No?

[shira]

13. He's one of the most idiotic asses on the planet. Now as to the Reuters photos...

Cropped/faked or not?

[IndianaGreen]

16. I'll respond after you respond to IDF's admission it doctored the radio transmissions

[shira]

17. How is condensing 6 minutes of mostly dead airtime into 30 seconds deceitful?

[EFerrari]

15. Why do you want people to look at the knife and not at the doctor?

Is he dead?

[shira]

18. Why do you want people to think IDF murdered innocent humanitarian peace activists?

[EFerrari]

22. I don't need to control what people think, thanks.

I don't find any update on this doctor. No notice that he returned to Indonesia, for one thing.

[IndianaGreen]

23. Perhaps because Israel did precisely that

IDF murdered innocent humanitarian peace activists, as it has done in the past, and as it will do in the future.

[shira]

26. IOW, there is no amount of evidence that could ever alter your opinion of Israel

Got it.

Thanks.

[JuniperLea]

31. IDF murdered innocent humanitarian peace activists

Seems to me you're the one with unwavering hatred toward anyone who will call out the truth against Israel... and Israel can do no wrong. They must not be human?

[shira]

32. So innocent humanitarian peace activists...

....are backed by pro-Hamas IHH, invoke killing of Jews, want Jews to go back to Auschwitz, wish to be shahid martyrs, and provoke deadly fights with the Israeli military?

Think they should be welcomed back on future flotilla missions with passive peace activists bringing their children along for the ride?

[JuniperLea]

38. Hamas came onto the scene because no one would help Palestine...

Clearly they are not helping, let's make that clear. Clearly Hamas and Israel are both fucked up warmongers who have done equally heinous things in the name of what THEY and THEY alone think is right, but that's beside the point.

What else do you expect the Palestinians to do? I know you want them to roll over and die like the animals they are... :eyes:

None of this bullshit gives Israel the right to treat people that way. Did you even read your post? You want to evoke imagery of Holocaust, the isolation of one race being tortured and killed by another, when that is exactly what Israel is doing to Palestine? Bull fucking shit! You lose the right to use any of that horror when you engage in the same! Period!

[shira]

40. Why must these blockade runners be falsely portrayed as innocent peace activists?

[JuniperLea]

47. I was going to ask you to prove they are "blockade runners"

and not humanitarians... but I'm getting dizzy from your spin.

[shira]

56. Maybe because Greta Berlin of FGM was quoted as saying so? Look it up.

[EFerrari]

14. The most pathetic part of this new bulleria from the Israeli hard right

is that they are desparate to focus on THE KNIFE and not on THE DOCTOR who is attending to these downed soldiers in that photograph. Because that is the indonesian doctor from another angle. This doctor:





Does anyone know if that doctor died from his gunshot wounds or if he's in hospital somewhere?

Shame on all of these propagandists.

[shira]

19. Are you sure this doctor was shot?

[EFerrari]

20. Yes. He was shot on his way back from returning these troops.

Multiple times in the abdomen. I can't find any update on him. He was or is Indonesian.

[shira]

24. The only source I can find that he was shot is the IHH pro-Hamas group.

[EFerrari]

25. I'd like to know where he is. n/t

[shira]

34. Any credible sources other than IHH regarding the doctor?

[EFerrari]

36. Your premise is a false one. IHH has not been caught fabricating

multiple times during this situation. That was IDf.

But, there is no update on this doctor that I can find from any source.

[shira]

41. Prove the IDF fabricated anything. OTOH, violent blockade runners are falsely being portrayed

...as innocent peace activists and Reuters is cropping photos to project that image,

[EFerrari]

48. I'm sure you wish Reuters had cropped that doctor instead --

that you are portraying as a "violent blockade runner" when those pictures clearly show him attending to wounded soldiers. That doctor who has been reported dead of his IDF inflicted gunshot wounds.

How disgusting is that.

[shira]

57. Yes, the story of the doctor as told by the IHH and sources like......oh yeah, no other sources.

Everything the pro-Hamas IHH claims must be true.....it's just too juicy.

While Israel lies about everything.

Got it.

Thanks.

[azurnoir]

21. OMG it's a paring knife and from the looks of it the blade

is less than 4 inches long making it "street legal" in my area is this sign of desperation or what?
last night from another angle I thought it was a fillet knife which I use quite frequently but this makes it even more ridiculous, guess Israel is still mad at Reuters for making a fuss about IDF killing one their cameramen

[shira]

27. OMG, way to make light of Reuter's deliberate intention to demonize Israel

Don't Israelis know they should just "take it" and allow everyone to misrepresent and demonize them?

:eyes:

[azurnoir]

28. so showing a guy with a paring would have exonerated Israel?

that is truly desperate but if you wish shira believe what ever you want

[shira]

29. How do you explain the photo cropping?

[azurnoir]

30. I can not but IMO it was really a minor thing

it is not as though they cropped out a guy holding one of the guns IDF claims were thrown overboard now is it and BTW Hurriyet did not crop the photo's.
this is yet more faux outrage and a very weak attempt to distract Israel is suffering from the little boy who cried wolf syndrome

[shira]

35. You don't believe this was a deliberate attempt to conceal the violent nature of faux peaceniks?

[JuniperLea]

39. Your conspiracy theory is weak... eom

[shira]

42. Why? Why else were the photos cropped? You have no reasonable explanation, do you?

[azurnoir]

44. I do

it could have been size, could have been for the same reason they do not publish pictures of the bloody victims of any incident,it could have been that Reuters did not think the Israeli government would get so frothy over a paring knife and besides didn't Reuters publish the uncropped?

yes I know everyone is out to get poor little Israel

BTW did Reuters publish pictures of the 9 victims full of bullet holes yet no one is complaining about that are they

[shira]

45. Pathetic.

[EFerrari]

52. It's much simpler than all of that. Those photos show a doctor tending

to Israeli troops. A doctor who was later shot to death by the same boarding party.

They want you to look at the paring knife, not the dead doctor.

This is a keen example of the intellectual honesty of both the IDF and their defenders in this atrocity.

[shira]

59. Who says this doctor was shot dead? Anyone reputable besides the IHH, which has no credibility?

[EFerrari]

60. You have no credibility. n/t

[azurnoir]

43. NO I do not

I believe some gore was also taken out that has more to do with sensibilities than anything else

[shira]

46. Yeah right, gore taken out for sensibilities but Reuters rushed to include that gore afterward

[azurnoir]

49. Afterward when they republished

the uncropped pictures you mean that must be so frustrating for you

[shira]

58. Yeah, because they were busted. That's why they immediately published them.

[lumpy]

53. Israel has all the video, camera and computer equipment

consficated from members and crew of the aid ship. Why haven't we seen the evidence that those documents might bring to light, instead of dickering with a cropped picture that proves nothing but conjecture.