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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 02:22 PM
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Iran's nukes pose a 'threat to the existence of Israel': Mossad chief
: Iran's nuclear program poses a "threat to the existence of Israel", the head of the Jewish state's overseas intelligence agency Mossad warned MPs.

In a rare appearance before the Knesset's foreign affairs and defence committee, Meir Dagan said the program was the biggest threat to Israel's existence since its creation in 1948, public radio reported.

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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/57705/1/.html

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We can hope Iran rights itself before more drastic action is necessary.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 02:29 PM
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1. well I suppose if Iran threatens Israel with nukes
Israel can counter threaten Iran with their nukes--let them blow each other out of the ME
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 02:34 PM
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2. Spot on.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 02:42 PM
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 02:45 PM
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4. How anyone would even be thinking about
drasctic action is beyond me. That drastic action may come back and then it's the end for all involved. I wonder if some people are aware of what they actually say :shrug:
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 02:58 PM
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5. Drastic action
In this case might be LETTING Iran get nukes. That could easily set off a nuclear exchange. Or Iran might just give one or two to their many terrorist buddies.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 03:01 PM
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:03 AM
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15. Israel has nukes
And clearly keeps them responsibly because it has never used them.

Israel also doesn't sponsor anti-Jewish/anti-Western terrorists like Iran.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 03:02 PM
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8. How exactly would that happen?
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 04:06 PM
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12. They signed the ABM treaty
and the Automic Energy Agency says they don't have any nukes. This is a bullshit issue.
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MikeGalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 04:47 PM
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13. The International Atomic Energy Agency says Iran DOES
See the following quote from Ha'Aretz:

An International Atomic Energy Agency report charged that Iran covered up past nuclear programs, including enriching uranium and processing small amounts of plutonium, essential elements of nuclear weapons.

Full article at http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/361693.html
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 05:10 PM
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14. It doesn't say they have weapons
Edited on Mon Nov-17-03 05:14 PM by Classical_Liberal
as a signer of the ABM treaty they can be inspected, unlike Israel. Oh I forget Ariel's friend Bush scraped the ABM treaty, so it is as good as a buttwipe now!


http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/031117132538.fkntjox8

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is set this week to stop short of calling for the UN Security Council to rebuke the Islamic republic.

An IAEA report Thursday is expected to state that Iran has violated international nuclear safeguards but that there is so far no evidence it is trying to make the bomb.

But a hardline United States -- which alleges Iran is using a nuclear power project as a cover to develop atomic weapons -- is pushing for Iran to be reprimanded and taken to the Security Council as a warning.

Such a move could expose Iran to sanctions, and Iran has said it could force a U-turn in its current policy of cooperating with the IAEA.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 12:08 PM
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18. Iran has programs, but no actual weapons
Mossad is not saying that Iran has weapons, but is assessing what threat a nuclear Iran would pose to Israel. That is something Mossad should do. Their conclusions are probably good ones.

What the IAEA said is that there is no evidence that Iran is seeking to build atomic weapons. The IAEA inspections found that Iran has plutonium that can be used to build nulcear weapons. The plutonium in question was produced years ago. Meanwhile, Iran has suspended its uranium enrichment program. For the moment, the IAEA is satified that Iran is in compliance with her internationa obligation under nuclear treaties.

The junta has challenged the IAEA report. The IAEA stands by its findings. This has a grotesquely familiar ring about it. The last time UN inspectors and the Bush junta had an argument about findings was last spring, when the junta simply ran over the UN and invaded Iraq. We know now that the UN inspectors were right and the Bushies were simply telling bald faced lies in order to justify an action that otherwise had no legal justification.

For that reason, the Bushies appear to be crying "Wolf" again. They have no credibility. Nevertheless, we should keep watching for the wolf.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 12:12 PM
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19. This is Iraq
revisited. Same old tactic...
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 12:53 PM
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20. Yes, same old tactic, but . . .
. . . a completely different situation.

Beyond the Bushies' tactics (which I doubt will work a second time) would be foolish to dismiss warnings of danger.

Otherwise, the fact that the Bush junta has lost credibility in matters touching on our security is one of the best reasons for ousting it as soon as possible. That's the moral of the modern fable The Frat Boy Who Cried "Wolf", in which the entire village ends up being devoured because the shepherd boy was known to be a liar.

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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 02:59 PM
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6. israel's nuclear program poses a "threat to the existence of everybody"
said President legin speaking to a reporter from 'Cockroach News' today.

<<snip>>

President legin went on to add that recent coments by an israeli spokesperson targeting Iran were the latest highly transparent attempt at warmongering by israel's Likud Party, and likely to fall upon very deaf ears.

<<snip>>

President legin who was recently voted "Greatest Leader that ever Lived" by his loyal subjects, beating people like Alexander the Great and Julius Ceaser, is believed by some to be a very influencial international leader in the world today.

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beanball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 03:07 PM
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9. The truth will set you free
but deception will bite you in the ass.Are we being deceived again by our friends and the only democracy in the middle east?what do you need friend several billions more in order to protect your defenceless country against those mad bombers and their weapons of mass destruction?when are the people in america going to remove their heads from their rearends and realize the sheer madness,the greed thats going on? we need Devine help.
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 03:26 PM
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10. Sounds just like * about Iraq.
And we all know how well that went.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 04:03 PM
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11. so "rights itself" = "puts itself in line with Israel's whims"
Edited on Mon Nov-17-03 04:04 PM by Aidoneus
And drastic action is required if it doesn't. Oh, my.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:56 AM
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 08:55 AM
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25. Did you post this link
because you agree with what it is stating and how it is stating it?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 09:31 AM
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:33 AM
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17. This is about Irans support of Hezbollah,
not nukes. Israel is in no danger from Irans non-existent nukes. If Israel is nuked, it would come from a smuggled Russian or Pakistani warhead.
Even if Iran did have a nuke, delivering the warhead on a missle is very difficult. Even America's "smart" weapons miss often. Assuming Iran develops a weapon and the sophisticated guidance systems to deliver it to Tel Aviv, the Cold War MAD concept kicks in. Israel has the world's 4th largest nuclear arsenal. If Iran did nuke Israel, Iran would be destroyed and they know it.
Trying to get the US to attack based on WMD claims worked in Iraq, but it won't work in Iran. The US has already changed tack on Iran and will not be attacking. If Israel decides on "drastic action" so be it. The US is looking to get out of the Middle East before election day. Sharon can forget about the US military invading Iran.
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 07:18 AM
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21. I know this is naive
but maybe it's about nuclear weapons in Iran?
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 07:28 AM
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22. As far as I know
Israel has them plenty and I don't see anyone stopping them. They too can be percieved as a threat to many Arab countries with such weapons. Double standards, anyone?
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 07:48 AM
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23. If Israel
wanted to use these weapons, there would be a lot of green glass around.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 07:51 AM
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24. With Sharon and the RW extremists
you never know...
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 04:14 PM
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27. And maybe
it's about "regime change" in Iran. Or have they found some aluminum tubes?
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