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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:59 AM Original message |
Gold stones, glass houses (Israel's Secret Relationship With Apartheid South Africa) |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
1. The End Of The Goldstone/Apartheid - Brouhaha MJ Rosenberg |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Great post Grassfed, cheers |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. "the crowd who assert that there were no war crimes in Gaza, |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
3. Not that other countries were doing much better at the time |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Yep, thatcher branded mandela a terrorist |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. The USA still supports apartheid in S.Arabia, Jordan... |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
41. On Saudi Arabia, at least, we agree |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Me too. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Jews can't live in Jordan or buy land there. |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Jordan and the Jews: Another lie Dershowitz told you |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Thanks, Dersh was wrong. Only from '73-'95 did that law exist in the Jordanian books |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
82. yr new found decorum would be more convincing if we hadn't gone over this before - nt |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Jews can buy/live in Jordan but Jordanians can't buy in Israel |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
5. Richard Goldstone: I have no regrets about the Gaza war report |
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Eg-ptiangirl (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
67. Not only South Africa Apartheid , Israel and Idi Amin |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 09:27 PM Response to Reply #67 |
86. Revealed: how Israel helped Amin to take power THE INDEPENDENT |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
6. Brothers in arms - Israel's secret pact with Pretoria South Africa |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
8. Richard J. Goldstone: Integrity Personified is on FACEBOOK |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
10. LAME. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Classic |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Great substantive reply, as usual. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:02 AM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Are you seriously asking somebody |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:07 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. And the denial continues... (nt) |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:29 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. What denial is this shira? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:07 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Do you... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:16 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. As I have told you before commenting on the report is a nonsense |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. So the Report was a big waste of time that deserves zero attention.... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Shira, go put words in someone elses mouth |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. You say you don't want to focus on the Report or Goldstone.... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. I love that. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. You evaded the relevant points of my post |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. The notion of ANY |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Nelson Mandela appointed Richard Goldstone to SA's highest court |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. Yep, just like Botha did - and Goldstone did what he was told and did not go after either one |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #53 |
81. debbie schlussel tactics - nt |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Never read her before. But your appeal to authority (Mandela) is a logical fallacy. |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. soldier on defending the indefensible |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. So was there "special justice" against the Yugoslavians and the Rwandans? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Goldstone indicted a Serbian fictional character, as well as a dead man in the 90's |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Is Yedioth Achronoth really a mass daily paper? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. They're the most popular in circulation |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. You are right |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
35. goldstonereport.org is a propaganda site, the real site is goldstone-report.org |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
36. Pro-Israel Propagandists vs Nelson Mandela |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
12. Israel also tried to lobby the US to allow it to keep selling arms to the apartheid government |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. You don't appear all that concerned about Lebanon, Jordan, and S.Arabia being supported |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Your list of apartheid regimes does keep expanding, doesnt it? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:15 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Those 3 countries practice real apartheid and are supported by the USA and UK |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
48. You're not a poster child for moderation or consistency... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 03:30 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Hilarious |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Religious divorce law be damned... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. The law is definitely problematic but it's not really what you think... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 07:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Respond to the question |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. By the way, editing a post after it receives a response... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Okay, so why are you accusing me? |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Apologies... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Yes and No. Examples? |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Revocation of residency in East Jerusalem |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:17 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Here's an Haaretz article on this... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Complete rubbish... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Nothing? I thought so. What a bunch of wankers (nt) |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Do you have any reason not to believe Sheetrit's claim in Haaretz? |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Do you have any reason to accept it uncritically? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. No one has challenged it |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I rather thought I did... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. No you didn't |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Did you think that there were none? |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Link to the former policy |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. And the winner is....... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. A former policy no longer in effect... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 09:46 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Looks like you're confusing citizenship for residency status |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. No, I'm fucking not... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. You mentioned dual citizenship, not residency in that last post I responded to |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-10 12:40 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. You're asking me to prove the existence of a universal negative... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-10 07:20 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Okay, got it - that makes sense |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. I'll refer you back to our opening statement, with which you initially agreed:- |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Deleted message |
shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. I'll try and respond to your last post... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:31 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Responding to your main 3 points |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Alright, lets try this again... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Trying to answer |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Lets not be evasive.... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Looks like you're conceding your argument WRT revoking PR status was lame |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:08 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I think your disingenuousness knows no bounds... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:56 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. That's an unacceptable policy and very unfortunate incident. |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Couple of points... |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-26-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
96. lebanon |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. The parallels extend further than most realise |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 06:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. I remember seeing the picture of Lizzie van Zyl a lot |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
20. Israel's Secret Arms Pact with Apartheid South Africa - PBS Newshour |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
21. Apartheid in the Holy Land - Desmond Tutu GUARDIAN |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
22. South African union joins boycott of Israel |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
23. Israel's apartheid is worse than South Africa's HAARETZ |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
24. Israel’s dark past arming apartheid South Africa - War in Context |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
62. Interesting post, thanks... |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
90. UPDATE: Secret apartheid-era papers give first official evidence of Israeli nuclear weapo |
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