Bachmann: America 'cursed' by God 'if we reject Israel'

[Scurrilous]

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"At a Republican Jewish Coalition event in Los Angeles last week, Rep. Michele Bachmann offered a candid view of her positions on Israel: Support for Israel is handed down by God and if the United States pulls back its support, America will cease to exist.

The Republican Jewish Coalition is the same organization that recently hired former Sen. Norm Coleman. Bachmann’s appearance on Feb.1 is part of a whirlwind of national events for Bachmann in February. Next up: she’s keynoting the Take Back Washington North Dakota event in Bismarck this Friday night.

Here’s a transcript of some of her remarks at the RJC event:

I am convinced in my heart and in my mind that if the United States fails to stand with Israel, that is the end of the United States . . . (W)e have to show that we are inextricably entwined, that as a nation we have been blessed because of our relationship with Israel, and if we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play. And my husband and I are both Christians, and we believe very strongly the verse from Genesis (Genesis 12:3), we believe very strongly that nations also receive blessings as they bless Israel. It is a strong and beautiful principle.

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[aquart]

1. Well, we weren't planning to reject Israel. This is a straw man.

Starting up talks with the Palestinians is far from a rejection. It saves Israeli lives.

[phantom power]

2. Nothing gives me the warm-fuzzies like bronze-age religeon in 21st-cen politics

:banghead:

[aquart]

4. Oh, bronze age was much more fun.

And a wee bit more bloody.

[Ken Burch]

13. And hey...Free Bronze!

n/t.

[mn9driver]

3. Michele is also a creationist.

In the past she has been known to take the microphone at evangelical churches to pray for the downfall of evil liberals. Michele loves her some Republican Jesus.

[RKP5637]

5. Bachmann is a nut case! Even freakier are those that vote for her. n/t

[hlthe2b]

6. we're already cursed by having her in Congress

Teh stupid knows no bounds...

[golddigger]

7. Well, she is...

hot for God!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm16dBXn5u0

[BrklynLiberal]

8. As a person of Jewish heritage I am insulted at this outrageous attempt to use

Israel and the beliefs of Jews to further the outrageous and ignorant agenda of people like Bachmann.
And I detest the fools that fall for it. They are too stupid to know how they are being used, and how they WILL BE abused when their
usefulness is over.

[farmout rightarm]

9. We're already cursed...according to Phred Phelps.

:grr:

[Blue Owl]

10. Israel and their public health care for all Israelis

n/t

[LeftishBrit]

15. Don't remind her of THAT, or she'll probably try to nuke Israel!

[TomClash]

11. "Support for Israel is handed down by God"

Oh, brother.

Genesis 12:3 says God will bless those who bless Abraham and curse those who curse him and from him everyone shall be blessed. But Jews, Muslims and Christians all revere Abraham.

By the way, Congresswoman, Abraham wound up in Egypt so he wouldn't starve to death.

:eyes:

[azurnoir]

12. Seems she has "failed" to "support" Israel herself

she did not vote on Resolution 857 condemning Goldstone although she was one of the original backers, something that struck me as curious.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2009-838

I figured she did not get what she wanted out of it nice to see she's still trying:sarcasm:

[LeftishBrit]

14. Oh great...

as if RW settlers and Hamas weren't quite enough religious-righties for one region!

ALL the Middle East needs is Michele Bachmann.

[Jefferson23]

16. The Republican Jewish Coalition:

Campaigns

Freedom's Watch

Took George W. Bush to Israel
Texas Gov. George W. Bush, center, flanked by Utah Gov. Mike Leavitt, left, and Republican Jewish Coalition Executive Director Matthew Brooks, visits the Western Wall in Jerusalem during a 1998 tour of Israel for Republican governors organized by the Republican Jewish Coalition.

The Republican Jewish Coalition took George W. Bush on his first trip to Israel in 1998.<2>

Smeared Howard Dean

In February 2005, the RJC "began running full-page ads in major Jewish newspapers across the country featuring a large photo of militants strapped with explosives coddling a young Palestinian boy. Above that arresting image is a quote by Dean: 'It's not our place to take sides.' Below the photo are quotes by Democrats critical of Dean. The ad effectively equates Dean's election with the appeasement of suicide bombers."<2>

Slandered Jewish Democrats

During the month of September 2006, the Republican Jewish Coalition "deliberately distort the facts" and "placed ads in Jewish newspapers across the country making the outrageous and ridiculous assertion that Democrats are 'turning their backs on Israel.' At the same time, the accusation made by individuals who ... sent out thousands of e-mails to all those in their inboxes."<11>

Questioned loyalty of Jewish Democrats

In October 2006, on the eve of the 2006 Congressional elections, the RJC "call into question the loyalty of Jewish Democrats, and their party's attitude toward Israel" by running ads which "focused on supposedly 'anti-Israel comments' made by prominent Democrats, and the declining support for Israel amongst grassroots Democrats ... in nearly 30 Jewish weekly newspapers nationwide", with plans to expand into "additional publications."<12>

"RJC Executive Director Matt Brooks said, 'The party of Harry Truman and Scoop Jackson has become the party of Jimmy Carter, Al Sharpton, and Cindy Sheehan. Jewish Democrats should take a fresh look and see if they are still comfortable with the growing influence of the anti-Israel radical Left within the Democratic Party.' The Republican party has been winning over more Jewish votes with every election - going from 11 percent in 1992, to 25 percent in 2004."<12>

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Republican_Jewish_Coalition

On edit to add: Republican Jewish Coalition Policy Platforms

http://www.rjchq.org/About/policyplatformslisting.aspx

[Shaktimaan]

17. Wow.

So I wonder how she thinks America managed to survive for all that time before the 70's, when European nations were Israel's primary backers and supporters. Maybe thinking isn't her strong point.

[Tripmann]

18. Thinking is like kryptonite to your average fundie.

[Shaktimaan]

19. Yes, I'm being ridiculous.

Pointing out logical contradictions in statements like that is such a stupid thing to spend time doing. People who buy into stuff like that aren't concerned with things like history, science, math or reality when it comes to forming their opinions.

I do kind of wonder whether the people espousing such views actually believe them, or if they're just cynically manipulating people for political reasons. I can't decide which is scarier either, you know? That there are people running our government who might really think those things; or that there are people running our government who are so craven as to take advantage of their constituents in such a frightening way.

What am I thinking, it's probably both.

[pelsar]

20. i think they believe.....

i think if it was an act, it would eventually be caught...as far as history, thats never been a real concern for the religious of either side. God and religious secularism "moves in mysterious ways"...i.e. anything that doesn't make sense, has no facts to back it, always has its answer in the "higher power".....belief.

As far as running the govt....they all there, the religious the non religious, the moderates.......as long as the democracy is strong, freedom of speech etc......that the powers are separated as they should be, then there is little to fear.

The real fear is excluding a group because of their beliefs.....


from my point of view?....sounds cool by me, reject us..and your doomed to the ashes of history!!! America you have been WARNED!!!

[Shaktimaan]

22. Yeah, I'm not so sure...

In this particular case, at least. It just seems too convenient that her beliefs mesh so perfectly with the political needs of this group that supports her campaign.

Politicians and public religious figures are pretty regularly caught out in hypocritical situations here in America. (And I would imagine, everywhere else too.) I can't think of a worse example than the Catholic Church's pedophilia scandal. Even when it became apparent that the Church had actively protected these monsters, (and even worse, transferred them to new parishes), people found ways to deal with it ideologically.

In America it takes a pretty big scandal to really destroy someone if they've sufficiently cloaked themselves in God's word.

[Shaktimaan]

21. Actually, that quote isn't the most frightening thing in the article.

If you ask me, the comments are FAR more frightening than even the ridiculous pandering of Michele Bachmann to the RJC. Living in New York I guess I sometimes forget that this kind of classic anti-semitism still exists in our country. And while this rep's comments were totally insane, the fact that they could spark this kind of commentary so easily is pretty interesting. There was just so much legitimate stuff to criticize about her statements, and yet such a large percentage of these people chose to go straight for the anti-semitism. Old school anti-semitism too! ZOG and Jewish bankers and stuff!

Check some of these remarks out. They're pretty out there.


How does she explain the fact that we have been supporting Israel since it was hatched and yet we are still on our way to extinction? Any logical person who hasn’t replaced their brain with the Jewish Bible would see that the reason America is in so much trouble is precisely because WE DO support Israel and allow Jews to control our nation from within, and they are taking us down from within as they have done so many other nations, i.e. Germany, Russia, Armenia, etc.

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Another Globalist/Zionist shill NeoCON posing as a real conservative. Our Republic should leave the whole middle east to the Zionists & Muhammedans (to hash out), and stop funding to/of all foreign nations. Too bad the Z.O.G won’t allow this (Constitutional) approach!

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ISRAEL is the problem.

No Michelle, “God” wont curse us.. the bankers and new york money men will curse us. The media conglomerates will curse us. The teeming masses of welfare dependant terrorists will be turned on us (when the checks stop). The corporations will leave (moreso). The capital will be taken out (moreso), etc.

But it wont be God.
Itll be what organized Jewry calls “God”
Themselves.

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What a bunch of nonsense. America has been under a curse since she started supporting Israel! If America goes down for withdrawing support, it will only be because we allowed Jewish extortionists to put us under their thumb.
The only terrorists we need to concern ourselves with are the financial terrorists that have taken more American lives than any 3rd world Muslim ever has. “Pit nation against nation” is the track record of Jews who destroy nations from the inside.
If this Christian Zionist is going to draw her reasoning from the Bible, I’m game, lets get into it! “We’re cursed if we don’t support Israel.” Where did Jesus say that? From what I recall, he said something markedly different about those who deny him. Jesus’ words on Jews who reject him have seen their fulfillment again and again. The same cannot be said for the no-longer-applicable curse from the Torah.
“Synagogue of Satan” “You are of your father the devil and his works will you do.” Heck, even Pontius Pilot was under the thumb of Jewish power. That’s a stunning typology for the 2000 year long “Jewish problem” if ever there was one. Not that this Judaized Christian Zionist would pick up on that, not that she would know the difference between old covenants and new. Her nose is so buried in the Torah, Jesus’ words are lost on her.

[pelsar]

23. i need some cash...

so it looks like i'm going to be selling off some of my world jewry control stocks....would you spread the word..i'll thrown in a some zog options for when us israelis take lebanons water.

[azurnoir]

24. So who ya selling them to? n/t

[pelsar]

29. hey i'm easy....

anybody who wants them...but i do charge a bit more to the religious right, they seem to get a bit more excited about the zionists shares..and to left i raise the price on the options so that they can have piece of the Lebanese water that we'll steal....and they can then burn their options in protest.....

think of my prices as "political localization"

[azurnoir]

30. See ya got it wrong though tell the rightie's

at least the Christian ones the water is from Qana {Cana} and if they pray hard enough it just might turn into wine like it did for that other guy.......

[LeftishBrit]

25. Lunatics...

And one of many reasons why the 'support' for Jews/Israel from Christian Zionists is a Trojan horse; the Christian Right is soil on which antisemitism frequently flourishes. 'even Pontius Pilot was under the thumb of Judaized power' - the old old tale told by antisemitic Christian-Right lunatics through the ages.

[Behind the Aegis]

26. BINGO! DING DING DING!

"And one of many reasons why the 'support' for Jews/Israel from Christian Zionists is a Trojan horse"

I always found it funny that so many couldn't figure out why Israelis and some Jews allow this type of support. It is very basic.

[LeftishBrit]

27. For the same sort of reason...

as some Palestinians and their supporters allow support from xenophobic-isolationist opponents of Israel - even though, if there was ever a Palestinian state that depended significantly on American support, such people would quickly throw it under the bus.

It can be tempting for any minority group to welcome support from any source - but we should all beware right-wingers bearing 'gifts'!

[grassfed]

28. and the Jewish right is fertile ground for anti-Muslim, anti-goy hatred

... and equally vicious and violent.