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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 07:29 AM Original message |
Ukraine academic: Israel imported 25,000 kids for their organs |
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madaboutharry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
1. The oldest blood libel around. |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
2. If true (and I'm sure it isn't), why isn't the Ukraine government doing anything about it? |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
3. "parody of democracy" |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
4. Ukraine's tradition of anti-Semitism continues. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
5. Unfortunately there are such websites everywhere, and they're hard to police |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
6. WHAT IS THIS DOING ON THIS FORUM??? Oberliner, why on earth would you post this HERE? |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. It's not the "I/P conflict forum." n/t |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Yes, it is. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Anti-semitism? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #8 |
26. No, I think these stories are used to feed the Zionists need to feel as perennial victims! |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 02:31 AM Response to Reply #8 |
29. You know very well why it's antisemitic.. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
62. Yes |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. what' s with your outrage? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Could be mocking me |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I think it's completely inappropriate! |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I am encouraged to hear that you believe this to be an example of anti-semitism |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I have no problem labelling anti-semitic acts thusly. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Why would I mock you? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Maybe mock wasn't the right word |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 02:07 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. I for one do think this is just another example of hypocrisy on yr part... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. why shouldn't it be here? This is just a less sophisticated way to demonize / defame Israeli Jews |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Has it been written at AI ? or HRW ? for that matter |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. has what been written at AI or HRW? what do you mean? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. the subject of the OP or alleged Israeli organ theft n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. it's demonization, whether it's organ theft accusations or AI claims of limiting water |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 02:05 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. the organ theft is unproven and hopefully untrue |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 04:36 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. organ theft is just "hopefully" untrue? as if there's any substance to the Ukraine claim? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 06:09 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Thanks cause as usual you neglect to cite |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. i responded to this post over a month ago with this... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. So B'tselem is lying too n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. someone's lying and B'tselem quotes from the Israeli Water Authority - why would they do that? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I am certain that you would not doubt anything Israel has to say |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. i asked a few questions - would you be so kind to attempt to answer them? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. so now your the Grand Inquisitor? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. i answer your questions....why is it Israel's harshest critics are incapable or unwilling to respond |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Really I rarely ask them of you |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. LOL! |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
88. yes indeed B'tselem does use the Israeli Water Authority |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 05:26 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. so what's going on? Water Authority claims one thing, AI and WB another....what's going on? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 05:52 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. I'll go with B'tselem here again are those stats |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:16 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. but what about the claims from the Water Authority? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:20 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. The stats I cited came for the most part from the water authority |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:22 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. have you read the report from the Water Authority? Or are they lying? That's why I ask who you trust |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:27 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Yes I have |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:29 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. so you think the Water Authority is dishonest...okay, how? Make a case. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:28 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Amnesty says: The Palestinians don't have fair access to water. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:30 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. The Water Authority report is very thorough.....name one thing demonstrably dishonest in it |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:36 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. I just edited my comment... I didn't say the report lied. I said it didn't asnwer the question. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #105 |
117. Fair access meaning according to Oslo agreements? Palestinians have that. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #117 |
126. So ironic. My husband, a wastewater expert, was effectively deported while working with int'l NGOs |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. was he the only wastewater expert or did Israel deport all the Palestinian experts on wastewater |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. It's mind=boggling that experts who can actually make a difference were and are forbidden |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 04:58 AM Response to Reply #128 |
133. Again B'tselem answers your questions |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. what exactly do you believe Btselem addressed? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Try reading or just into misleading title lines? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #139 |
142. so please match Btselem replies to the observations and recommendations of the WA |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. I will not do the work for you read it n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 05:51 AM Response to Reply #144 |
148. no work to be done - you were wrong and Btselem did not address the WA report |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 07:32 AM Response to Reply #148 |
152. a predictable claim I would invite anyone to read what I posted |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:16 AM Response to Reply #90 |
94. also the water issue which has been well documented |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:20 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. yes, well documented by the Water Authority....whose major claims are ignored - WHY? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:33 AM Response to Reply #97 |
103. B'tselem used the WA's own stats the WA simply spun them |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:36 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. you say the WA spun stats.....explain please, make your case. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:39 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. I think B'tselem addressed that too |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #106 |
118. where did Btselem mention that Israel wasn't providing the amount of water agreed to since Oslo? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:41 AM Response to Reply #104 |
108. I added something to #103 so go back and read it please |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. your posts constantly reaffirm my reasons for living in israel....constantly |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. LOL what a self serving and willful misinterpetation |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. so why did you write that the organ theft of 25000 kids was 'unproven and hopefully untrue'? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Are you implying that it is not unproven and |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. your words suggest there's a chance, no matter how slight, that it could be true |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Because I never call anything absurd hateful garbage |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. so do you think there's a slight chance the 25000 ukranian child organ donors is true? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Probably not n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. 'probably not'? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I would say that's probably also not true n/t |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
82. I have heard accusations that the Shin Bet has stolen organs from the bodies of dead Palestinians. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. and not one shred of proof, right? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 08:02 AM Response to Reply #87 |
112. Cut up corpses. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Israel organ harvesting scandal 'medically impossible' |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I would agree with that... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #115 |
121. that to me is the real real real key here |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #114 |
140. Very true |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #140 |
147. Not totally true. It is possible to be done. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 02:10 AM Response to Reply #36 |
53. good....is probably better that way... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 02:58 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. No what I actually wrote was |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 03:59 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. on the contrary it is EXACTLY what you meant.... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 04:41 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Wow |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 05:17 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. yes wow is right....so which is it?...ridiculous or probably not true? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 05:37 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Which is it? |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 01:58 AM Response to Reply #58 |
66. its not a matter of "liking it or not..its a matter of the implications.... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 03:16 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Well actually |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 07:25 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. ......you've made yourself very clear....and i can support your view... |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
65. Legitimate, fact-based criticism is not demonisation |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 07:50 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. the organ theft is demonization, do you agree? |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. You see no distinction between an obvious, and in fact very common smear tactic |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. you give these HR groups the benefit of the doubt |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Actually I give Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International a great deal of credit |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. but HRW and AI claim Hamas never intentionally used Palestinians as human shields |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #84 |
113. Never, eh? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. good point....and google shows video, news articles, and Hamas statements showing evidence |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. I haven't even seen the statements you're referring to |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 05:15 AM Response to Reply #119 |
122. okay then, look at this and let me know what you think... |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #122 |
124. Camera? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. those are all mainstream sources that are cited by CAMERA, easily confirmed via google |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Again, it's 2 different conversations. AI: Israel doesn't provide fair access. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. see my question to you in #128 about wastewater management and other actions that would double |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. Why not try it and see? (nt) |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. would it make a difference if what CAMERA claimed is true? just asking... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #132 |
136. Shira, your goal is clearly to demonize internationally respected rights organizations. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #136 |
137. quoting MSM sources, Hamas, and providing contradictory video is demonization of HR groups? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #137 |
141. SHIRA: MY HUSBAND WAS DEPORTED FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES. BY ISRAEL. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. what does your husband say about the PA's job at handling the water situation? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #143 |
145. What do you say about the gov't you love deporting western-educated technical people |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 05:52 AM Response to Reply #145 |
149. what was the reason given for deportation? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 06:47 AM Response to Reply #149 |
151. Reason? He has a Gazan huwiyye. |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #132 |
146. Assuming CAMERA isn't making anything up? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 06:29 AM Response to Reply #146 |
150. CAMERA isn't making anything up, but you want proof so let's start |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #150 |
153. The report you cite says they found no evidence, yet your claim is different |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #153 |
154. and you believe AI, HRW, Goldstone......that they found no evidence? |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. Yes, I do |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. what does Israel not working with Goldston have to do with HRW/AI ignoring MSM sources showing... |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #156 |
157. Goldstone never got into the country or the occupied territories |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-11-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. Goldstone made it clear he would consider any submission of evidence/testimony until June 30 |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. The mixing of soldiers and civilians in an occupied territory /= "using human shields" |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. do you believe Hamas was not obligated to wear military uniforms distinguishing themselves from... |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. They can afford uniforms? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. Hamas has uniforms and they are obligated to wear them in order to distinguish themselves from... |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. I do - but it's not the Goldstone report, HRW, or AI that stinks |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. fascinating |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #165 |
166. It's hard to say how many fighters were actually Hamas |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #166 |
167. the libel by HR groups against Israel is that Israel deliberately targets civilians |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. I'm assuming the civilians are able to move away from the "hot" areas if they wish |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
81. I'd be interested to see some proof of your claim other than "nuh uh." |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. i provided sources other than CAMERA above in earlier posts |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. CAMERA isn't a source I'd read for info about the water situation. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. then here are more links that confirm the findings from CAMERA |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
83. MFA? Hasbara Central? LOL!!! that's rich, even for you, Shira! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. at the bottom of the MFA link is a thorough report from the Water Authority that debunks the BS |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. i thought i explained it to you....israel has a direct relationship to world wide anti semitism.... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 09:10 AM Response to Reply #25 |
72. Pelsar my point is that Eastern Europeans hated Jews long before the first Zionist set foot in |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. and the hate goes on..... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. My question for you would be: |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. and this is really where are perspectives differ..... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. I'm not talking about vengeance... I'm talking about stopping the cycle of hatred |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. I disagree that 'no Europaean nation was forced to examine itself and its attitudes and beliefs' |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. you've hit upon a truth....no one really pays for antisemitic bigotry and these bigots know they can |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #76 |
89. here i'm more pessimistic.... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:12 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. ... and of course... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:19 AM Response to Reply #92 |
95. how could they just "solve" antisemitism? If they had focused on that instead of nationbuilding... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:39 AM Response to Reply #95 |
107. ... continuing the cycle.... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:43 AM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Pelsar would be the first to argue that there has been tremendous progress made by human beings |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #109 |
120. i would go back to pragmatism..... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-09-09 06:29 AM Response to Reply #120 |
123. I think you must admit the Palestinians today face a much tougher, intransigent opponent than the |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:33 AM Response to Reply #123 |
159. the emotions involved and history is now far more intense than the 40's |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:25 AM Response to Reply #92 |
110. this is a fundamentallty flawed concept in so many ways |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 05:22 AM Response to Reply #110 |
135. Why aren'[t you asking pelsar? He's the one who was talking about the 1940's leadership... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 07:30 AM Response to Reply #76 |
111. whoa. are you truly that ignorant of history? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 05:11 AM Response to Reply #111 |
134. Want to be a bit more specific and a bit less abusive? |
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Shadrach (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-03-09 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
24. I heard there is the same fear about the US |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 03:07 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Antisemitism's never fallen out of fashion in parts of Eastern Europe... |
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Shadrach (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-04-09 07:36 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Sure, I know many Ukranian Jews and Jews in the former Soviet Union... |
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Mosby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
59. A Ukrainian University’s Anti-Semitic Crusade |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. IfAmericansKnew is not a reliable site (nt) |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. it's a hate site |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
70. Harsh criticism of Israel isn't anti-Semitic - if it's fair |
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