Would Israel arrest a Jewish terrorist with only Arab victims?

[Violet_Crumble]

It's reasonable to assume that if Yaakov (Jack) Teitel had focused only on attacking Palestinians, he would have encountered few problems with law-enforcement authorities. His big mistake, it seems, was targeting non-Arabs as well.

Experience - and statistics - show that Israeli law enforcement is remarkably lax when it comes to tackling violence against Palestinians. Twelve years ago, Teitel confessed to killing two Arabs and then took a break from such activity. Sure, he was detained for questioning after the murder of shepherd Issa Mahamra, but he was released due to insufficient evidence. As with many other cases of murder and violence committed against Palestinians, the story of the shepherd from Yatta and the taxi driver from East Jerusalem disappeared into oblivion - until Teitel returned and attempted to harm Jews, bringing the wrath of public opinion, the Shin Bet security service and the Israel Police down on his head.

The (justifiably) prevailing feeling among Palestinians in the West Bank is that their blood is of no consequence. It's hard to find a Palestinian today who will make an effort to approach the Israeli police about a settler assault, unless Israeli human-rights groups help him. The way Palestinians in the territories see it, Israeli law is enforced only if Jews are harmed, while incidents in which Palestinians are murdered, beaten or otherwise wounded are treated cursorily at best - and more often, are ignored entirely.


For instance, at least six shooting attacks against Palestinians in 2001-2002 have remained unsolved. The most shocking incident took place in July 2001, when three members of the Tamaizi family were shot to death by a man in a skullcap, according to relatives. The gunman asked the driver of the vehicle to stop, as it drove from one end of the village of Idna to the other, after a family wedding. When it stopped, he opened fire. But it's doubtful that Israelis remember that 3-month-old Dai Marwan Tamaizi, born after his parents underwent 14 years of fertility treatments, was killed that day - as were Mohammed Salameh Tamaizi, 27, an only child, and Mohammed Hilmi al-Tamaizi, 24, who was engaged to be married.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1125244.html

[T Wolf]

1. To the Israelis, Arabs are sub-human and thus deserving of the neglect (at best) and

abuse (more usual) that is brought down on them by both Jewish civilians and the Israeli military/police authorities.

The only peace in the Middle East will come if and when the occupiers are removed. And the US will never allow that because it serves our political purposes.

[aquart]

4. Whereas Arabs believe Jews are.....?

Stop pretending this doesn't cut both ways. And it's unbelievably disingenuous to talk about OUR political purposes when Israel is a postage stamp surrounded by huge, populous, and well-armed nations who have their own agenda for not coming to the aid of the Palestinians.

This situations suits the surrounding Muslim and Arab nations far more than it suits the United States. But, strangely, you will never question Arab behavior. Why is that?

[T Wolf]

7. I admit that both sides use violence. I just tend to go with the people who were living there

at the time.

If you support the state of Israel, you also must support the eradication of the Native Americans by the late-arriving "colonists" who almost completed that genocide.

The fact that some people in the occupied territories resort to throwing rocks against the tanks that destroy their homes and farms is certainly an offense equal to the decades-long occupation and genocide committed against the people who were living there at the time.':sarcasm:

[aquart]

11. So you signed all your property over to the local Indian tribe?

Were they properly grateful?

[T Wolf]

14. Bullshit statement. Akin to Al Gore cannot be serious about global climate change because he drives

a car.

Take all your talking points from Fuck Nuze?

[Mosby]

15. Jews are indigenous to the ME

and have been living there for several thousand years, even longer if you include biblical history.

After the creation of Israel nearly all of the indigenous ME Jews were expelled from their home countries, many found refuge in Israel.

This map shows all the immigration to Israel from '48 to '01:

[Violet_Crumble]

18. The poster yr responding to didn't say anything about people being indigenous...

They said 'people who were living there at the time'. Now, if yr going to try denying that Palestinians weren't living there at the time, yr going to be facing a very uphill battle there...

btw, just because someone's Jewish doesn't make them indigenous to the ME at all....

[LeftishBrit]

16. At what time?

(1) There were already Jews in Israel before 1948. Most were early immigrants, but some had been there for centuries.

Tel Aviv was a predominantly-Jewish city for quite a while before Israel was created as a state.

(2) Many of the Jews who came to Israel after 1948 were from nearby in the Middle East (about half of the Israeli Jews are of recent Middle Eastern origin).

(3) There has been occupation and oppression, but *not* genocide, unless you extend the term to include all wars ever.

[Shaktimaan]

17. So then...

you support the Jewish settlements in Hebron? Because prior to ethnic cleansing by the Arab population a few decades ago there had been Jews living there for several thousand years.

If you support the state of Israel, you also must support the eradication of the Native Americans by the late-arriving "colonists" who almost completed that genocide.

Wouldn't it make more sense to say "If you support the state of America, you also must support the eradication of the Native Americans by the late-arriving "colonists" who almost completed that genocide." Since you are talking about what happened in America and not Israel, you know. But then that begs the question, can one support America while decrying some of America's past actions? Most people would say "yes." Otherwise you'd be pretty hard pressed to offer support of any nation whatsoever.

Besides that, equating the genocide against Native Americans to the tragedy of the Nakba makes little sense. One was outright genocide, one was the result of a war started by the Palestinians. It isn't as though the Native Americans began their conflict by attacking and throwing out some white people that had been living there for generations before themselves.

Drawing comparisons between different historical events is intellectually lazy, to say the least. Drawing conclusions based on those flawed comparisons, though, is not intellectually anything. It's retarded.

[ProgressiveMuslim]

12. What individuals believe is irrelevant. The Israeli legal system doesn't regard Palestinians

as fully human. There is nothing "two-sided" about that.

This is about institutional racism, not individual beliefs.

[cali]

13. that's a ridiculously broad statement.

And just what do you mean when you say the occupiers should be removed? And how do you suggest doing it?

[aquart]

2. Do the Palestinians prosecute Arabs who attack Israelis?

Or do they give them a parade and a pension?

[Crunchy Frog]

3. Do the Palestinians prosecute Israelis who attack Arabs?

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[Crunchy Frog]

8. Just pointing out the lack of parity in the situation.

The Palestinians are living under Israeli occupation, and not the other way around. Occupying powers actually do have certain obligations towards the people they are holding under occupation.

The Israelis can and do prosecute Arabs who attack Israelis. The Arabs cannot do the same, (though some of them do lash out in violence in an unofficial capacity, I don't see that as the same thing).

I am not excusing the behavior of some of the Palestinians, but it does not take away from the fact that it is Israel that is the occupying power and the ultimate legal authority in the territories.

I won't discuss this any further with you as I don't think we even speak the same language where this issue is concerned.

[Violet_Crumble]

6. No, and it's just as wrong for them to do that...

One lot not doing it doesn't excuse the other doing it.

[Sezu]

9. Parade and pension. nuff said. n/t

[Violet_Crumble]

10. So that makes it okay for Israel to act in a similar way?

It doesn't. Why is it that people like you can NEVER criticise Israel for the things it does but go into a frenzy of blame when it comes to the Palestinians?

[eyl]

19. Some counterexamples

Ami Popper, Asher Weisgan, Shlomo Zeliger, Ofer Gamliel, Yarden Morag, among others.

And Yesh Din's statistics on the number of unsolved cases of violence against Arabs is meaningless without knowing the overall rate of unsolved murders (especially since often Jewish terrorism in the Territories is more difficult to crack than, say, your average club stabbing).