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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 07:03 AM
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A war crime whitewash
The global choir of ethical cretins who condemn Goldstone's Gaza report do Israel no favours

Michael Lerner The Guardian, Wednesday 21 October 2009

I recently met a leading representative of the foreign ministry of Israel who acknowledged to me "off the record" that Israel had made a tremendous blunder in refusing to cooperate with the UN Commission led by Judge Richard Goldstone, which investigated the charges of Israeli and Palestinian war crimes in the invasion of Gaza last December and January. Judge Goldstone, an internationally respected jurist whose Zionist credentials include being a member of the governing board of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, wanted to hear Israel's account of what happened, but Israel blocked that inquiry so Goldstone could only report what the victims of Israel's attacks sought to convey.

Unfortunately, Israel's predictable choir of ethical cretins around the world have joined in condemning Goldstone and the UN instead of urging Israel to investigate the charges by creating an impartial, objective and open process in which the victims can testify and the perpetrators can be brought to justice. Instead of seeing this as "Israel's crimes", Israel would easily be able to show that it is concerned about these violations, punish appropriately those who violated international standards of human rights, and show that it is regretful about what those particular people did. Far from undermining Israel, such a course, if done in a way that human rights advocates around the world could recognise as meeting acceptable standards of impartiality and sensitivity to human rights norms, would go a long way to validate the humanity of the Israeli people in the eyes of all but the worst haters of Jews.

Harold Evans' screed here yesterday sounds exactly the wrong note in this regard. Instead of providing us with any reason to doubt the legitimacy of the claims made by the Goldstone report, he instead attacks the messengers and those who have taken the report seriously. Had he, for example, presented Goldstone's account of Israeli shelling of a mosque on a Friday when it could have easily predicted that it would be filled with Muslims and that its attack would cause the death of some 60 civilians, Evans instead tries to shift the focus to the fact that the world is filled with many other (and worse) human rights offenders.

For those of us who have publicly challenged the evils of human rights abuses in China, Russia, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, the Congo, Pakistan, India and many other countries, the strategy Evans uses is quite familiar. In an interview I conducted with Judge Goldstone earlier this month he recounted when, as the first chief prosecutor of the international criminal tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, the Serbian minister of justice used the same argument to accuse the UN of being unfair, pointing to the many other countries that are human rights violators. I suppose Britain used this same argument to defend its colonial regimes, as did other colonial powers; and while the US was conducting a war in Vietnam that killed some three million Vietnamese it too tried to hide behind the same illegitimate defence that others had engaged in worse crimes.

I share with Evans and with Goldstone the upset about the specific way that the UN has used the report on Israel while ignoring its call for investigation of the war crimes committed by Hamas. Yet the report itself is an important ethical challenge not only to Israel but to western countries that have empowered Israel and remain insensitive to the suffering caused by Israel's occupation of the West Bank and its blockade of Gaza. It is Israel's continuing refusal to have an impartial and open investigation that has allowed the hypocritical violators of human rights in other countries to unfairly gang up on Israel in the UN, ignoring what the report itself called Hamas's war crimes in shelling Israeli towns in southern Israel.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/21/war-crimes-white-wash
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:29 PM
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1. "Israel's predictable choir of ethical cretins around the world"
:kick:
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 02:05 AM
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4. I liked that line. He's got a way with words n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 07:16 AM
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5. Yes, he does.
Refreshing.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 11:33 PM
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2. well said and the truly sad part
is they do not even realize it
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 02:02 AM
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3. some missing info. from Lerner's latest
Edited on Thu Oct-29-09 02:08 AM by shira
1. The original mandate of the UN mission was only to investigate the 'occupying power' Israel (even though they don't occupy Gaza). And even though Goldstone asked that it be changed, it never officially was. The fix was in from the very start, and the 1-sided UN vote last week which didn't single out Hamas proves it. Maybe that's why Israel chose not to cooperate with this kangaroo court, which never meant to carry out an impartial and fair investigation of both sides.

and to prove that....

2. Goldstone chose to ignore evidence favorable to Israel and harmful to Hamas. There's no reason to believe that had Israel cooperated, Goldstone would have decided to be more ethical and balanced.

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The ethical cretins are those who recognize how atrocious the report is but pretend it's a step in the right direction for the cause of peace and human rights.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 09:53 AM
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6. Did your Rep sign ultra rightwinger Ros-Lehtinen's anti-Goldstone Report Resolution? See List
H.RES.867
Title: Calling on the President and the Secretary of State to oppose unequivocally any endorsement or further consideration of the "Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict" in multilateral fora.
Sponsor: Rep Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana (introduced 10/23/2009) Cosponsors (83)
Latest Major Action: 10/23/2009 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.

COSPONSORS(83), ALPHABETICAL

Rep Ackerman, Gary L. - 10/23/2009
Rep Aderholt, Robert B. - 10/28/2009
Rep Alexander, Rodney - 10/28/2009
Rep Bachmann, Michele - 10/27/2009
Rep Berkley, Shelley - 10/27/2009
Rep Berman, Howard L. - 10/23/2009
Rep Bishop, Rob - 10/27/2009
Rep Blunt, Roy - 10/27/2009
Rep Bonner, Jo - 10/28/2009
Rep Brady, Kevin - 10/27/2009
Rep Buchanan, Vern - 10/27/2009
Rep Burton, Dan - 10/23/2009
Rep Calvert, Ken - 10/28/2009
Rep Campbell, John - 10/27/2009
Rep Cantor, Eric - 10/27/2009
Rep Cardoza, Dennis A. - 10/28/2009
Rep Carter, John R. - 10/28/2009
Rep Chaffetz, Jason - 10/28/2009
Rep Chu, Judy - 10/27/2009
Rep Conaway, K. Michael - 10/28/2009
Rep Crowley, Joseph - 10/27/2009
Rep Dent, Charles W. - 10/28/2009
Rep Diaz-Balart, Lincoln - 10/28/2009
Rep Engel, Eliot L. - 10/27/2009
Rep Faleomavaega, Eni F.H. - 10/27/2009
Rep Franks, Trent - 10/28/2009
Rep Frelinghuysen, Rodney P. - 10/28/2009
Rep Gerlach, Jim - 10/28/2009
Rep Harman, Jane - 10/28/2009
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. - 10/27/2009
Rep Hastings, Doc - 10/27/2009
Rep Hoekstra, Peter - 10/28/2009
Rep Israel, Steve - 10/27/2009
Rep Jenkins, Lynn - 10/27/2009
Rep Kagen, Steve - 10/28/2009
Rep King, Peter T. - 10/27/2009
Rep Kingston, Jack - 10/27/2009
Rep Kirk, Mark Steven - 10/28/2009
Rep Klein, Ron - 10/27/2009
Rep Lamborn, Doug - 10/27/2009
Rep Lance, Leonard - 10/28/2009
Rep Latta, Robert E. - 10/27/2009
Rep Linder, John - 10/27/2009
Rep LoBiondo, Frank A. - 10/27/2009
Rep Lowey, Nita M. - 10/28/2009
Rep Mack, Connie - 10/27/2009
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. - 10/28/2009
Rep Manzullo, Donald A. - 10/28/2009
Rep Marchant, Kenny - 10/28/2009
Rep Markey, Edward J. - 10/28/2009
Rep Massa, Eric J. J. - 10/28/2009
Rep McCaul, Michael T. - 10/28/2009
Rep McCotter, Thaddeus G. - 10/27/2009
Rep McHenry, Patrick T. - 10/27/2009
Rep McMahon, Michael E. - 10/27/2009
Rep McMorris Rodgers, Cathy - 10/28/2009
Rep Meek, Kendrick B. - 10/27/2009
Rep Moran, Jerry - 10/27/2009
Rep Nadler, Jerrold - 10/28/2009
Rep Paulsen, Erik - 10/27/2009
Rep Peters, Gary C. - 10/28/2009
Rep Price, Tom - 10/28/2009
Rep Reichert, David G. - 10/28/2009
Rep Roe, David P. - 10/27/2009
Rep Rogers, Mike J. - 10/28/2009
Rep Ross, Mike - 10/27/2009
Rep Rothman, Steven R. - 10/28/2009
Rep Royce, Edward R. - 10/28/2009
Rep Ryan, Paul - 10/28/2009
Rep Schiff, Adam B. - 10/27/2009
Rep Sessions, Pete - 10/27/2009
Rep Shimkus, John - 10/27/2009
Rep Shuster, Bill - 10/28/2009
Rep Sires, Albio - 10/27/2009
Rep Smith, Adrian - 10/28/2009
Rep Smith, Lamar - 10/28/2009
Rep Thompson, Glenn - 10/28/2009
Rep Tiahrt, Todd - 10/27/2009
Rep Towns, Edolphus - 10/27/2009
Rep Wasserman Schultz, Debbie - 10/28/2009
Rep Waxman, Henry A. - 10/27/2009
Rep Weiner, Anthony D. - 10/28/2009
Rep Wexler, Robert - 10/27/2009
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HE00867:@@@P

Support the Goldstone Report on Gaza; Reject H.Res.867
Last Friday, Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen introduced H.Res.867, calling on the Obama Administration to “oppose unequivocally any endorsement or further consideration” of the Report of the UN Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, known as the Goldstone Report. Currently, 43 Representatives already have signed on to the resolution as co-sponsors. To see if your Representative has co-sponsored the resolution, please click here.

If passed, this dangerous resolution would instruct the Obama Administration to continue its attempts to shield Israel from accountability for the war crimes it committed, as documented by the Goldstone Report, before, during, and after its assault on the Gaza Strip in December 2008-January 2009. The resolution also undermines the Obama Administration’s rhetorical support for the universality of human rights and its stated commitment to holding human rights violators accountable. In addition, it contains numerous inaccuracies about and misleading characterizations of the Goldstone Report.
go to http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/641/t/2439/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=28017
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 10:22 AM
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7. of the 6 from my state 2 did Michelle Bachman (no surprise)
Edited on Thu Oct-29-09 10:22 AM by azurnoir
and Erik Petersen who I had never heard of before, mine did not and is one of 3 from state that has the guts to stand up to political pressure and still be re-elected
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 11:28 AM
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8. here in pseudo-lib Malibu Henry Waxman signed
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 01:20 PM
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9. really that's no surprise either
the reason IMO that the 4 congresscritters from my state dared is that we are off of the radar for ProIsrael lobby groups which tend to put their efforts into states with high population concentration and there for more electoral collage votes.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 01:30 PM
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10. There has not yet been a vote
What exactly did they "dare" to do?

You think they would vote against it?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 01:50 PM
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13. at least 2 of them will either vote against or abstain
Edited on Thu Oct-29-09 01:51 PM by azurnoir
those would be Betty McCollum and Keith Ellison the other 2 Jim Oberstar and John Kline could I suppose go either way Kline is the most likely to vote for it as he is a Republican Jim Oberstar has in the past voted absent and was one of a very few that along with Betty McCollum condemned Operation Hot Winter and did so with no apparent damage to their careers
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 02:00 PM
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14. I think they would vote "present" rather than "no"
That is, if it ever comes to a vote.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 02:03 PM
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15. I could not remember the term but it amounted to an abstention n/t
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 01:31 PM
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11. You don't think Henry Waxman is a liberal?
Or do you think he is a liberal with respect to other issues but not with respect to Israel?
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 03:42 PM
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16. pep - progressive except for Palestine
too bad the human costs are so high
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 05:15 AM
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17. Why do you think that is the case?
It seems strange that someone would be progressive on every issue except one.

What do you think accounts for this anomaly?
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 05:18 AM
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18. Yr the one who made it an either or thing with yr question in post 11
'Or do you think he is a liberal with respect to other issues but not with respect to Israel?'

So why say you think it's strange when yr the one who brought the thing up in the first place? For the record, there's nothing liberal about supporting invasions and occupation, whether it's of Iraq or the Occupied Territories.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 01:12 PM
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20. How to Use You're and Your
A frighteningly large percentage of individuals fail to understand the difference between the words "you're" and "your". Here is a quick and dirty crash course on this common usage problem.

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http://www.wikihow.com/Use-You%27re-and-Your

Hope that helps!
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 03:06 PM
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21. I don't use either seeing it's only an internet discussion forum n/t
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 05:38 AM
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19. would it be more progressive if Israel never defended itself, ended occupation, let Hamas rule...
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 05:39 AM by shira
let Hamas fire rockets - never respond....take on countless thousands of deaths....?

That's all more 'progressive' or 'liberal' than the current situation?

Is it 'progressive' when the pro-Palestinians (like here at DU) never advocate for Hamas to reform itself and grant civil rights to Gazans?
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 01:45 PM
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12. My Rep (Lincoln Diaz-Balart) signed.
I don't see his brother Mario on the list, which is odd, because when it comes to politics, the Diaz-Balart bros. and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen all share the same gusano brain.

Maybe he got left behind in Honduras.
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