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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 11:28 AM Original message |
The Goldstone Disconnect (Yossi Alpher) |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. Note that he freely admits that Israel commited war crimes. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. war crimes, being...............what exactly? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Do you believe that anything will come of this report? nt |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. don't know... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. This line of reasoning is insane: |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. what's really insane.... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Insane is expecting a people to consent to their own destruction. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. you think that's what Hamas thinks? their charter doesn't say that. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Cut the crap. The gov't of Israel won't even agree to halting their despicable settlement |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. why pretend Hamas just wants an end to occupation and then peace thereafter? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Your posts are the epitome of western ethnocentric racism. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Palestinians in Gaza can't speak out against Hamas and all the destruction they have brought to... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 05:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. or that Israel was instrumental in their creation? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 05:52 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. who is going to lead this 3rd intifada against Fatah, Hamas, and the IDF? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
8. The whole point of international law, the Geneva Conventions, etc. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 02:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. I noticed the author seemed to think Israel should get to create their own standards.... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 05:21 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. ... Alpher is a bitterlemons editor. Isn't he supposed to be a "good guy?" |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 07:45 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. That thought crossed my mind as well n/t |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. The cognitive discconect is really mind-blowing. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 05:42 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. That's not what he is doing |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 07:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. If it's not what was intended, the guy's a very clumsy writer... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 08:04 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I would say that I am still in the "gathering information" phase |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. That's a wise place to hang out in for a while, I think... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. I just wanted to point out that you cannot have it both ways. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. There are standards for full-humans and standards for partial-humans like Palestinians. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Well, I'd say you have standards that apply to everyone, or you have bullshit. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I agree with you. |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
14. "The problem is that Goldstone is judging Israel on the basis of totally different rules than those |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 04:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. if you read post #2 and the link within, you'll see Goldstone applying double-standards |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. "I was just doing my job." |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
27. Not too sick for Oberliner? |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. I didn't call you "sick," as you falsely claim. The reference was to the POV revealed in the |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 01:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Thank you for that |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 02:26 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I must ask what is your take on both Goldstone's report and |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 02:52 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Well I have not read the 500+ page report |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 03:34 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. No I have not read it either |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
32. it appears the rules need revising but Israel is playing by them - Goldstone is not |
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