PA to probe 'IDF organ harvesting'

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The Palestinian Authority decided on Thursday to form a commission of inquiry to look into allegations by a Swedish newspaper that Israel was killing Palestinians to harvest their organs.

PA Prime Minister Salaam Fayad has instructed three of his ministers to probe all the facts surrounding the alleged organ theft, said Hassan Abu Libdeh, Secretary-General of the Palestinian government in the West Bank.

He named the three men as Foreign Minister Riad Malki, Interior Minister Said Abu Ali and Health Minister Fathi Abu Mughli.

"All options are open and our position will be sharp if it's proven that Israeli occupation has been stealing the organs of Palestinian martyrs," Abu Libdeh said. "In the wake of the results reached by this commission, the Palestinian Authority will determine its stance before moving in the international and legal arenas."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1251804484480&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[no_hypocrisy]

1. Better chance of getting the facts from the criminal and corruption trials

in federal court in New Jersey concerning the bribery charges against several mayors and a couple of rabbis in Brooklyn.

[bemildred]

2. I am reminded of the apocryphal story about LBJ:

During LBJ's first congressional race, when he supposedly told his campaign manager to begin circulating the rumor that his main opponent, a pig farmer, was practicing animal husbandry a bit too literally.

"Jesus, Lyndon," the campaign manager was said to have responded. "Nobody's going to believe that."

"Yeah," quoth LBJ, "but I want to hear the SOB deny it."

[Kurska]

3. LBJ never would have commited blood libel against the jewish people.

It takes a especially sick person to use things that have lead to pogroms to attack the jewish people.

Rumors of "Harvesting" have been aimed towards the jewish people for centuries.

[bemildred]

4. Well, apparently the PA is not above it.

I was just speculating about why. Apparently Fayad is not above such things.

[pelsar]

5. and another stupid idea from the PA

don't these guys get it?.....these pathetic attempts at showing how evil the israelis are, don't really help them get better lives......who wants to bet that the at the end of inquiry they will decide that something to the effect that its a yes and no...yes israeli is probably stealing organs, but no they 're not going to the intl court and make fools out of themselves.

but it will play well in the 'arab street"....where only the "yes" will be heard.

[azurnoir]

6. Well it proves if you make a big enough fuss

someone will pay attention

[shira]

7. yeah, those uppity jews have no right to get upset about antisemitic media that governments won't

even condemn for such content.

those jooz should know their place.

:eyes:

[Violet_Crumble]

8. Excuse me, but Az said nothing at all like that

Also, I find yr habit of using derogatory terms for Jews to be more than a bit disgusting. No-one here talks like that, and they'd be banned quickly if they did, so why do you do it?

Another thing, I saw it pointed out to you in another thread that it's not the role of governments to condemn or censor their own media, especially when it's some lunatic Arab-hating scumbag like Lieberman demanding they do so....

[shira]

9. who asked for your opinion?

Az is very clear that Israel should have let it ride and certainly shouldn't have made a big deal of it....and as it has been pointed out previously, the Swedish government has taken a pro-active role before when Muslims voiced their objections to what they perceived to be media malpractice.

[Violet_Crumble]

12. I don't need yr permission to point out when yr being dishonest...

Az did NOT say anything about uppity Jews. Yr the only one saying derogatory things about Jews, and it is not the role of governments to censor their media. If you believe that's so, you are displaying very clear double standards by not calling for the Israeli govt to condemn or even censor the sections of their media which have printed bigoted and hateful things about Arabs and Muslims...

[shira]

13. LOL at your sudden interest in "dishonesty"...pot meet kettle

Az most certainly made it clear that Jews should have allowed for blatant MSM antisemitism - I'm wondering if she would have called for silence from any other minority group libeled in the same way.

FYI, the govt of Israel is not asking that Sweden censor their media - try keeping up.

I'm all for the Israeli govt doing the same with their own MSM if a similar situation were to occur. Racist hatred masquerading as journalism should be condemned by all decent govts.

[Violet_Crumble]

14. You were being dishonest. Az did NOT say anything derogatory about Jews - you did...

While you've just been dishonest about Az, mindlessly retorting back to me that I'm dishonest when I'm not just makes you look like more of a raving nutcase than you already are....


I'm all for the Israeli govt doing the same with their own MSM if a similar situation were to occur.

Now yr going to try to claim that there's no Arab-hating in the Israeli media? This'll be entertaining....

[shira]

15. she advocates Jews just "take it" when it comes to antisemitic hate masquerading as journalism

Jews shouldn't make a big deal of it, or else.

nothing dishonest about that.

Now how's about an example from Israeli media as egregious as the Swedish article - that wasn't condemned?

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16. No, she didn't. Nor did she use the derogatory terms for Jews that you did...

You really do owe her and everyone else in this forum you've lied about or to a big apology for yr disgusting behaviour. Then you should try and focus on what people actually say and not what you'd like them to say....

[shira]

17. oh? she didn't mean Jews should remain quiet in the face of antisemitic hate posing as journalism?

[Violet_Crumble]

18. No, yr the only one who said that and made derogatory comments about Jews...

Y'know, if you really are so lacking in the basic intelligence required to understand what another poster has said or means, why not ask them instead of projecting yr own vicious and ugly worldview onto them?

[shira]

19. riiiiight, but okay - for you I'll ask exactly what Az meant - not that i expect an answer

for some reason, direct questions are to be avoided by the harshest critics of Israel - I wonder why.

:eyes:

[Violet_Crumble]

20. No-one's stopping you from asking her. It's less messy than making stuff up...

Is it possible for you to wonder silently? It's just that some of that wondering of yrs is so damn idiotic...

[shira]

21. how's about you stick to issues and lay off the juvenile ad hominems?

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22. Nothing juvie or ad hom in anything I said...

Unlike you with yr disgusting accusations that I'm antisemitic, antizionist etc etc...

[shira]

23. LOL.....okay

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24. Glad to see that rare moment of agreement from you at last n/t

[azurnoir]

26. ah Shira your the one whose quite willful

misinterpretation of my post started the whole mess pot meet kettle

[azurnoir]

27. I decided not to post till now

so I will be quite clear about it

Lieberman that's Avigdor not Joe just to be clear made a fool out himself by trying to create an international incident out of a tabloid article that even Ma'an said was not really paid much attention to let alone believed until such a fuss was made and then it became international news not so much because of the articles content but because of the Israeli government and its supports shrill reaction

I also note you seemed pretty confident I was not going to answer why is that?

[shira]

28. so Israel should have said nothing - let it ride?

I also note you seemed pretty confident I was not going to answer why is that?

because you normally don't answer direct questions regarding your I/P views, that's why - see here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x284479#284620

it would be nice if you started answering direct questions - lemme know when you're ready.

[azurnoir]

29. Should Israel have lrt it ride?

Yes if your choices here are the overwrought reaction which it gave or nothing why should Israel not have the article would have been long forgotten by now, BS is printed everyday but perhaps this what is what was wanted a propaganda bonanza- or as this op in Ma'an the title says it all

This Week In Lieberman: Harvesting outrage

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=219056

as to my not answering your question s again I did not answer as you wished so kept asking I gave my final answer and you did not reply end of discussion

[shira]

30. thanks for answering

1. Earlier you wrote that Israel should have just tried refuting the charges - but it appears you realize that's nonsense as it's nearly impossible to refute a negative - such as "I hear you have sex with little boys, now refute that".

2. You've also written that a shot against the IDF does not translate as a shot against all Jews - and while I'd like to believe that's true, history proves it's false. Only a few Jews were accused of killing Jesus and that translated to all - only a few Jews were accused of poisoning wells and that translated to all - same for killing christian children for their blood in matza - same for a few elders of zion - and now same for the IDF, the Israeli govt, settlers, some Jews owning the media, some Jews in the lobby, etc...

This story follows along the same lines and sadly brings about the worst for other Jews totally unrelated - but that's history for you.

3. Letting this story go is to put Jews in the situation they were in before a state of Israel existed - when Jews were guests of their countries and had to rely on others to protect them (and they did a very bad job). They had no voice and felt they could not really speak up out of fear. Maybe you haven't noticed, but in the last 60 years Jews now have a voice and are fed up with all this antisemitic garbage - and will no longer go silently into the night just "taking it".

Jews don't like taking shit anymore and will defend themselves...and it seems many people don't like that.

[azurnoir]

31. Yet more over wrought crap

this has nothing to do with Jews defending themselves and anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that as to your supposedly sly attempts to accuse me of antiSemitism I find them laughable and invite you accuse away

[shira]

32. sure it does - it's yet another blood libel like all the examples mentioned in my last post

[azurnoir]

34. Blood libel the shrillness knows no bounds

with you does it? It is those who over use such terms that render them meaningless, or the girl who cried wolf

[shira]

35. so the difference between the Swedish charges and Protocols of the Elders is.....what exactly?

or the difference between the Swedish charges and rumors of Jews poisoning wells or killing christian boys for their blood for matzah or Muhammad al-Dura, the Jenin massacre hoax, or 1100 of 1400 killed in Gaza were civilians, etc, is......?

What's the difference in all those blood libels that contribute to a rise in antisemitism worldwide?

whether intentional or out of ignorance, all these false rumors lead to bad news for other Jews.

so you'll have to excuse me for being sensitive to all this.

[azurnoir]

36. There has been a rise in anti you name the group activety

on a world wide basis you see this tends to happen when economic conditions go down hill as they have, but you seem to go on as though a tabloid article will usher in a new holocaust, it won't and as I have pointed out repeatedly would be very old news except for all shrillness in response.

Now as to the Protocols of whatever to be honest I never heard of them until this board and am not familiar with them other than that, now you in particular seem to embrace them, why?

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37. Divide and rule.

Not new at all.

[shira]

38. just saying: bogus reports on small groups of Jews tend to make things bad for other jews

that's history - and as a progressive you should have a problem with bogus reports on small groups of Jews that result in bad things for other Jews.

[azurnoir]

39. AS a "progressive" and as a person capable of critical thinking I generally

have a problem with those who need to wrap themselves in paranoia to justify their beliefs.

[shira]

41. yes, a worldwide spike in antisemitic incidents that harm Jews is just paranoia, not real

and bad press (like the bogus al-Dura, Jenin reports, Gazan civilian casualties, etc) have absolutely nothing to do with it.

thanks for correcting me.

:eyes:

[azurnoir]

43. What a silly thing to say

so you apparently only count crimes against Jews as real or is it important?

[shira]

46. huh? i have no idea what you're asking.

[azurnoir]

25. LOL getting frothy there Shira

so the Israeli government or IDF means all Jews huh? getting a bit myopic?

[shira]

33. yes, to Jew haters the Israeli govt or IDF means all Jews = bad, but that's history for you

just like some Elders of Zion or some Jews killing Jesus.....blood libels against some Jews translates into bad news for other Jews.

that's why this is so dangerous.

and you wonder why I'm sensitive to the outlandish charges made against the evil IDF, Israeli govt, etc...

[azurnoir]

40. Well I guess for some some here its always 1339 well

except for they need it to be 1939, what ever fear and paranoia you need to wrap in but really wouldn't living in this century be nicer?

[shira]

42. it's amazing you think antisemitism just disappeared after thousands of years right after WW2

or that antisemitic attacks haven't spiked recently due to atrocious, hateful reporting against Israel (like al-Dura, Jenin 2002, Lebanon 2006, Gaza).

Please learn something:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3652092,00.html

Now would you like to discuss WHY antisemitic sentiment and actions against Jews spiked after the recent Gaza war? Maybe you have a good reason as to why that happened - or maybe you deny anything has changed for any Jews worldwide due to Gaza?

[azurnoir]

44. Oh no I 'm pretty sure antiSemitism did not disappear

I simply do not embrace and cherish it or allow bigotry to rule my thought process and attitudes

[shira]

45. no comment on antisemitic attacks spiking right after the Gaza operation?

[azurnoir]

47. They did not right after OCL they spiked during OCL

if you want to debate try honesty

[shira]

48. it was both during and after - and mainly due to awful reporting

like 1100 of 1400 being civilians (huge lie), the UN school building that was never hit, the ridiculous white flag allegations, white phosphorus (still haven't seen photographic evidence and expert testimony of damage done to civilians), etc.

Ergo, false Hamas propaganda (libel) which the MSM laps up leads to harm for Jews elsewhere.

And this apparently doesn't concern you in the least.

[bemildred]

10. Or jump on the bandwagon, or something.

Just sort of watching the show with a serious case of cognitive disconnect, you know: "What are these people doing? And why are they doing it?"

I assume the PA dudes are currying favor with "the masses", or think they are, but still ...

[bemildred]

11. Seems to be getting worse too:

Mosby's story:

Spanish paper: Irving 'expert' on WWII

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1251804476311&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

[invictus]

49. kick