I don't care any more

[Bragi]

I used to be pro-Israeli, then I was pro-Palestinian, and now I've decided not to care any more.

The Israeli and Palestinian ideologues and haters are, as they have been throughout my life, firmly in control on the ground, and they and their mouthpieces remain in control of public discourse on the dysfunctions currently known as Israel and Palestine.

Far as I'm concerned, they can go ahead and blow each other to oblivion. I sincerely regret that there will be a lot of dead civilians on both sides, and I'm disappointed that, in the end, Israel turned out to be non-viable, but I can see there's nothing that anyone can do now to set things right.

So I'm at the point where I can't care any more. I know the end-game is going to be awful, but I've had enough of stupid people behaving stupidly. I'll be glad when it's over.

- B

[cali]

1. yes, it's all about how you feel.

I don't get why people start threads like this. Hate to break this to you, but how you feel means exactly nothing. Why you think it's imposrtant to post a thread about how you feel, says nothing about the situation.

[Bragi]

2. You know, Cali

It's reading the constant barrage of lies, half-truths and malevolence that passes for debate among you and your fellow hardline ideologues of both persuasions that lead me to finally conclude that it's just better not to care anymore. Thanks for that.

- B

[cali]

3. really? I'm a hardline ideologue?

have you actually read my posts here? My posts don't reflect any ideology. I can't stand the occupation and what the Israeli gov't is doing and I have no use for Hamas either.

You won't find me making outrageous claims about either Palestinians or Israelis. I support peace in the region and believe that both sides will have to make some tough choices.

[Tartiflette]

4. seconded

Cali is one of the few who who stands between the rock and the hard place (more so than I do) and I admire him for it. It is simply unfair to call him out as an ideologue.

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[Shaktimaan]

5. So it's Cali's fault that you don't care?

LOL! That's really funny.
Dude, trust me when I say that no one in the middle east could care less that you've given up hope on their peace process. In my experience, people such as yourself tend to have a very loose grasp of the history and issues anyway. Anyone who invests any real time into studying the conflict wouldn't be so quick to throw up their hands and disengage.

Have you given up on all of the other places that have similarly intractable conflicts too, or just Israel/Palestine? There's a whole world out there to stop giving a shit about, after all. Why limit yourself?

[Bragi]

8. Not so

I am neither uninformed or misinformed. I know enough to know that peace should be possible, but that malevolent people on both sides won't allow it to happen, that these malevolent people are supported by mendacious leaders, and stupid people on both sides are in their thrall. I find it simply hurts too much to keep caring about such a hopeless situation. So I'm no longer going to care.

[azurnoir]

9. The problem with your feelings is that in the

long run only one side is going to get "blown to hell", and the proIsraeli people depend on feelings like yours as much as they depend on the proIsrael feelings of others because in the end they equate to the same thing.

[Shaktimaan]

11. You really do have a very warped view of reality.

"the proIsraeli people depend on feelings like yours...?"

Has it occurred to you that the vast majority of proIsrael people also consider themselves proPalestinian? The idea that Israel's supporters rely on complacency as part of a larger strategy for killing Palestinians is a new level of conspiratorial theorizing, even for you.

[azurnoir]

12. Not really

and hardly conspiratorial either just an obvious fact if one gets tired enough and shuts up it one less voice in opposition, hardly a conspiracy.
But for you the level of hyperbole is as usual

[Nay]

10. Gotta agree with you there, Bragi. Nearly 40 yrs ago, in HS, we kids

got introduced to the conflict in the 1967 war. I have kept up with other news, but I gotta say, I couldn't care less anymore either about the Israeli/Palestinian thing. It is insoluble as it stands.

My only suggestion is that Israel buy up a huge tract of land in an unpopulated part of Africa and move there to get some peace and quiet. Forget the "holy land" -- it'll be the death of everybody. Do you want to have a life as a viable state? Move.