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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 09:38 AM Original message |
Why American Jews care deeply about Israel |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
1. This, I think, gets to the crux of the problem |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Then I guess the qustion should be asked |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The Jews I know feel comfortable living here |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. There is a "paradox" of sorts |
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Mosby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. The ideal does not match reality |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. That's not entirely true. |
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Mosby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Just my perspective from growing up in the US |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I absolutely hear what you are saying, and also cringed at the |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. oh please. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. You are sadly mistaken if you believe that laws are applied equally. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. no, the law isn't always applied equally |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Land purchase laws have discriminated against Arabs. No two ways about it. nt |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. My glowy-eyed comment is not related to persecution |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. Wow! |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. So America is a Christian state? nt |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Are government offices open on Christmas? |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. No, I don't think so at all. Do you not see the difference? np |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Enlighten me nt |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 06:06 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. You're confusing religion with nationality. |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. If you are simply referring to nationality... |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 05:15 AM Response to Reply #56 |
95. You lost me. |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 03:27 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. It doesnt matter... |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
4. Good question? |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. It makes no sense because the entire construct is non sensical |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. what are you talking about? np |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. Beats Poland. np |
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GoesTo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
7. As long as the world is still structured around nationalism |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
8. The ignorance of the responses to this post is breathtaking and disturbing. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Probably not a good idea to recommend a book by Dennis Prager |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
32. LOL. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #32 |
59. Not at all. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. He is a simple-minded poltroon. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
58. I know who Prager is. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #58 |
72. One is not required to read every nitwit that comes along with a book |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
80. I have read some Prager; and I do consider him to be extremist. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #80 |
112. I think we must agree to disagree. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Actually, there is no mention of God whatsoever in our most important founding |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Who is the "Supreme judge of the world"? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. The Declaration ewas written largely by Masons |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. And what of all the Christian references, and mentions of G-d |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I thought the opening prayer was |
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Madam Mossfern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Oh give me a break! |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #12 |
60. God is mentioned in the Declaration. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
10. This thinking reflects the height of self-absorption and "first worldism." |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Good point. |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 09:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. This is a completelt false analogy. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Wow. Just. Wow. "the Palestinians themselves reinforced the Jewish need for such a safe place... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Colonialists? |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. You're kidding me. But if you're honestly confused, I'll make it as simple as I can. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Colonialism is the extension of a nation's sovereignty over territory beyond its borders |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Okay, then what do YOU call it? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Well I don't view the events of that time period the same way you do |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
65. Some reading... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. wow. just wow right back at you |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Whatever, Cali. I take your disagreements with me as a badge of honor. (nt) |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. brilliant retort. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I reserve my brilliant retorts for opponents I respect. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. no. you've never written anything here that even shows a glimmer |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. Um, noooo. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 05:42 AM Response to Reply #48 |
96. that is simply not true |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #96 |
103. Hard to fathom if Shakti's use of ethnic cleansing |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. Re: |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Anti-Semitic Incidents Decline for Third Straight Year in U.S. According to Annual ADL Audit |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Well... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-27-09 11:43 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Jewish Identity - 2007 Annual Survey of Jewish Opinion |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Spelling mistake in my last post... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 06:28 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Important factual mistake in your last post |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. Though there are far fewer Jews in Europe than America, we do still exist |
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DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
78. "safe place" "just in case" is pretty short sighted when a person stops to think about it |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
57. You can't serve 2 masters |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. oh, goody. the dual loyalties slur again. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-28-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Sorry but that's a prime example of the sort of anti-Israel sentiment which is NOT pro-Palestinian |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 03:43 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. I agree with Mahatma Gandhi -- Israel did not need to exist. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 04:24 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Israel was established as a REFUGE for Jews - not as a religious theocracy |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. "A Christian or atheist with one Jewish grandparent would be eligible." |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 07:50 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Wrong colour? Can you distinguish Mizrahi Jews from Arabs by colour? |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. And many of the original inhabitants are old or dead |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. But your great-great-great grandchildren will have the right to go to Israel. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Why is that bullshit? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. They're not forced out of their homes in Brooklyn, aren't they? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. how about the hundreds of thousands of Jews that got kicked out of |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I have no problem with Israel absorbing Jews, unless it requires the exclusion of people |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Perhaps, long before that time... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 07:54 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. oh please. cut with the wrong color bullshit. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. I consider Arabs to be brown. Do Israelis consider themselves brown? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. what you consider is wholly irrelevant. It's facts that matter |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. I think it's pretty unusual for someone who is born in a place to be banned from it. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. it's not at all unusual. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Utter nonsense. |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. What's unusual? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 04:39 AM Response to Reply #75 |
99. Yes, many Israelis consider themselves brown |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. But anyway... |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #73 |
90. By stifling an even handed debate on Israel, AIPAC and right wing Jews in America |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:00 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. You think Jews have the power to 'refuse to let' the media do anything? |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #93 |
100. What AIPAC and RW Jews do is call those who publicly question |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #100 |
111. But what you're doing on this thread... |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #67 |
89. Israel as a Jewish state is doomed |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 12:37 AM Response to Reply #67 |
91. but Israel is a Jewish state and that is the problem |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 07:36 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Gandhi also urged the Brits to surrender to the Nazis and said this about the Jews |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:07 AM Response to Reply #68 |
92. My Lithuanian grandparents left Lithuanian after World War I |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:50 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Gross ignorance. |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 05:58 AM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Riiiight. |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 08:55 AM Response to Reply #97 |
101. "We must expel Arabs and take their places." |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #101 |
104. link. |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #104 |
107. There's quite a few sites that have this quote |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #107 |
110. If Americans Knew is a hate site |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #107 |
113. If Americans knew is banned here at DU because it's a hate site |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #92 |
102. you're so full of..... |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #102 |
106. Your hate and racism is atrocious |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. I've never uttered anything that could be construed by any sane person |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #68 |
105. Gandhi hated Nazism and he hated war |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #105 |
109. You quoting Gandhi? |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
114. All well and good intentions. |
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