2 die in "suicide bomb" blast

[Darranar]

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=74311442&p=743yzy48

An explosion in a house in an Israeli village killed two people today as police investigated the possibility that the blast was caused by a suicide bomber.

The explosion collapsed a house in the agricultural village of Kfar Yavetz near the central town of Netanya. The town is a few miles away from the West Bank.

“At the moment we are investigating all possibilities, but there are signs that this was an attack,” said central region police commander Amihai Shai.
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Another possible instance of violence. It could be a gas leak, or it could be more terrorists breaking the cease-fire.

[Herschel]

1. Shall we make a guess?

Anyone?

[Darranar]

2. My guess is suicide bombing...

More violence during this so-called "cease-fire..." And, of course, Israel is supposed to sit back and watch.

[Violet_Crumble]

3. My guess is...

That some people aren't aware or aren't interested in the fact that it was the major groups like Hamas that agreed to the cease-fire. Unfortunately those who are more interested in continued violence rather than any sort of peace are going to be jumping on acts carried out by individuals (which this sounds suspiciously like it might be) and use it as an excuse to support the derailment of any moves towards peace...

No, Darranar. Of course Israel's not supposed to sit back and watch. I'd be expecting they find out pronto where this guy lived and demolish his house. That'll teach the prick not to do it again ;)


Violet...

[Darranar]

4. I never said any of the terrorist groups..

who signed the cease-fire were behind this. My point is that the cease-fire is unfair to Israel. The combatants on one side are part of a large number of groups, only some of which signed the cease-fire. The combatants on the other are part of a single group, which was pressured into signing the cease-fire. Because of this unfair agreement, Israel has no ability to do anything about this.
No, I do not support demolishing people's homes. However, I do support destroying terrorist infastructure if the PA will not.

[Violet_Crumble]

7. Unfair?

The groups who agreed to the cease-fire were the ones who are mainly responsible for suicide-bombings. Claiming that a cease-fire is unfair because individuals working on their own aren't parties to the cease-fire is really clutching at straws. And I'm curious to know if Israel has kept to it's part of the bargain so far when it comes to the cease-fire. I'm not really asking you to answer this, because yr not particularly objective on this sort of stuff, but if we're going to sit round bitching about whether cease-fires are unfair or not based on the actions of those who aren't party to the actual cease-fire, it's probably a good point at which to ask whether the parties themselves are keeping to it...

Violet...

[Darranar]

10. No, it hasn't...

My point is that it shouldn't. And of course I'm not objective about this! I am human, and humans have bias. Neither do I have any obligation or responsibility of any sort to be as objective as possible, as do news sources.
The thing is, some of these actions during the cease-fire were not the actions of individuals, but of organizations of terrorists that did not agree on the cease-fire, such as the Al-Aqsa Matyr's Brigade.

[Violet_Crumble]

13. Sorry, I'm lost again...

I'll blame it on my snotty head-cold. When you say no it hasn't and it shouldn't, are you referring to Israel holding up their side of the cease-fire? I'm not sure what you meant there...

So, when a cease-fire is agreed to between some groups, and it's clear that there will still be a few loosely-structured groups that never agreed to the cease-fire in the first place, is that any reason to write off a cease-fire? I'd be thinking that Hamas as the most powerful of the groups was the clincher for the cease-fire, and if they're not launching attacks and Israel withdraws from Gaza and the West Bank, smaller and less organised groups like Al-Aqza might do their hardest to derail any attempts at peace, but for how long they'd be able to do that if Hamas, the PA, and the Palestinian people turn against them totally, is something to think about...

Violet...

[Darranar]

16. No, Israel has not followed the cease-fire...

It shouldn't. Hamas is using the cease-fire as a reprieve-there is a thread on that. They are not serious about peace. They need to be destroyed.

[Gimel]

17. Agreements

Violet said: "I'm curious to know if Israel has kept to it's part of the bargain so far when it comes to the cease-fire. "

When PM Abbas arranged for Hamas, Islamic Jihad to declare a cease-fire, the agreement was not made public, as far as I know. After the fact, Hamas spokesman said that he expects this and that from Israel, such as stop arrests of terror suspects, release prisoners, etc.

As the agreement has not been made with Israel directly, only indirectly through the PM of the PA, and Israel will not sit in conference with the terrorists, it will be up to Abbas to say if there is a violation. Israel has agreed to pull back troops on a phased withdrawal. That has been done, and is continuing. Security arrangements according to the Tenet plan are being made. Security prisoners are being released. This is Israel's part in the bargain. Israel has not agreed to allow attacks to continue without defending herself.

And yes, it was a terrorist attack last night:

A woman was killed Monday evening when the ceiling
of her home collapsed after a suicide bomber blew
himself up in Moshav Kfar Yavets in the Sharon
region.

<snip>

After an explosives detonator was found at the
scene, and the gas canisters at the house were
found to be intact, police determined that the
blast, which took place around 8:30 P.M., was a
terror attack.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/315506.html

This just goes to show that the dismanteling of the terror groups is essential. They will continue to strike whenever they want attention or have any gripe about how things are proceeding.

Edit: to correct spelling and added a few words for clarity.

[Herschel]

5. Your jovial attitude

At these murders is gruesome.

[Darranar]

6. Sardonic humor...

I don't think Violet_Crumble meant any disrespect, Herschel. Violet_Crumble has condemned these actions in the past.

[Violet_Crumble]

8. Thanks...

I've got to admit that I was a bit surprised to find myself being told I was jovial about murders... :shrug:

Violet...

[Herschel]

9. Please indulge me Violet Crumble

And repeat your unconditional condemnation of these suicide bombimgs in the harshest terms possible.

[Violet_Crumble]

11. Sorry, but I'm not a performing seal...

I've already said what I think in other threads consistantly in the past, and I feel zero need to sit there and perform on cue for folk like you...

Violet...

[Herschel]

12. I see

You have said this, whatever it is, elsewhere. And you choose not to clarify yourself when asked directly. I do find it interesting when people avoid their own opinions.

[Violet_Crumble]

14. Really?

I never said I was avoiding my own opinion - just that I'm not yr personal performing seal who spews out condemnation of anything on cue....

And I did explain my views when YOU asked me directly a few days ago in a thread. I don't mind explaining once, but when hounded repeatedly I'm going to get a bit stroppy and wonder at the person's motives for asking such a question...

Violet...

[Herschel]

15. Whatever your opinion

You are uncomfortable repeating it. I will leave it at that.