'Not all Israelis are bad'

[azurnoir]

Eight-year-old Palestinian cancer patient treated near Tel Aviv grateful to Israeli doctors

Even though he is currently his Israel, while most of his family is in the Gaza Strip, Imad Tanani watches almost no television. His young daughter, eight-year-old Wala, is a cancer patient treated at the oncological department at Sheba Medical Center near Tel Aviv. Imad says he prefers not to expose his daughter to the difficult images from Gaza because they frighten her.

"The doctors are Israeli and they take good care of us," she says. "Not all Israelis are bad. There are some good ones and some bad ones."

Meanwhile, the family of Israeli cancer patient Nachman Raphael Fadida is staying with him at the hospital, next to the Palestinian children. The six-year-old child's mother, Liat, says that she had not spoken to the Palestinian families.

"I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, a child is just a child, yet on the other hand I know that those children will become martyrs one day," she says.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3653230,00.html

[napoleon_in_rags]

1. What's so sad is the thought of parents corrupting it for children.

All the indoctrination that leads to hate dooms the cycles of violence to continue.

[aquart]

2. When she says "martyrs," she means "killers."

Holy murder is so much better than the other kind.

[Crunchy Frog]

5. By definition, all Palestinian children are future suicide bombers.

Sounds like what you and she are saying.

[ProgressiveMuslim]

10. However, nearly all Israeli children DO become occupation - implementers.

There would be no violent military occupation if people refused to implement it.

[Crunchy Frog]

11. Just to be clear, I was not expressing my own beliefs,

merely trying to clarify those expressed by the above poster. He hasn't contradicted me, so I assume that is indeed what he thinks.

If this opinion was expressed about any other ethnic or religious group in the world, it would be deleted and the poster banned. I can't imagine how difficult it is for you to read through these sorts of posts on here every day.

[aquart]

23. Yes, in a small country military service is required of everyone.

On account of all those sweet friendly people in those very large nations surrounding them.

But you think the Israelis should refuse to bear arms for their country? You think they should....

give Hamas what it wants?

WHAT DOES HAMAS WANT? Can you answer and be truthful?

[Barack_America]

12. So it's no wonder that the IDF has no qualms about bombing and starving Gazan children.

Un-freaking-believable.

That statement was one of the most cold, most callous things I could imagine hearing a mother say.

[aquart]

20. I'm sorry. "Martyr" only means "victim" to you?

In that fun place, the "martyrs" are the ones who take a bus or a market with them.

It SUCKS to see children die. Almost as much as it does to see or understand that a child allowed himself to be strapped into one of those vests so that he could kill people he didn't know but was told were bad.

These people are desperate. AND IT'S ALL ISRAEL'S FAULT? Really?

How do you kill an idea? It isn't possible. But what do you do when the idea is that YOU should die?

You are demanding an impossible standard from Israel. One terror strike and we started two wars and killed a million people. But YOU aren't afraid to go to the supermarket, are you? For six months I was getting on and off buses and subways because somebody spotted a package. I had a year of nightmares. ONE STRIKE. But you think Israel should live with missile strikes. Because the Arabs feel life is unfair. Well, it is unfair. So by all means commit murder.

WHY DO YOU ONLY HOLD ISRAEL LIABLE?

What is Israel doing that is different from what Hamas WANTS to do? But their aim still sucks. You want Israel to wait till their aim is better. You want them to wait until it's Israeli schools going BOOM.

And then you would still say they should do nothing.

[Crunchy Frog]

24. I appreciate your hate and rage filled rant

but can't even really figure out what you're trying to say or ask, or what relevance it has to a little kid getting treated for cancer.

I understand that it's a very bad situation there, and it must be extremely difficult to deal with when you have a strong emotional stake in one side or another.

[Chulanowa]

6. Not many career opportunities in Gaza for young men, are there?

The average age in the Gaza strip is 17. Can you imagine the sort of existence this is? You're living on a parcel of land smaller than some American's backyards. You have no money because there is no economy. Even if you had money there's nothing to buy, because the neighboring state controls all of your borders. You can't get out, for the same reason. This neighboring state also has the crosshairs trained on your head from the day you can walk and constantly tells you that you are its enemy. Very probably, you will die in your early 20's, quite likely from some form of weaponry being handled by a soldier who could possibly be younger than you are.

Even if your only crime is driving a forklift in a UN aid envoy.

Given all that, what would you do? Please, take the opportunity to put your superiority on display, from the comfort of your well-heated middle-class American home with running water and an average age of fifty-six years. I thirst for your enlightenment on the matter.

[aquart]

7. Would you invest with them?

Because they'll burn your McDonald's in a fit of pique. Your objection is they have no land? WHAT LAND WERE YOU PLANNING TO GIVE THEM? Let me guess: NOT YOURS.

Deed your house to the local indian tribe and then get back to me. The hypocrisy here is choking.

[Recursion]

8. Sounds disturbingly like my grandfather's thoughts on blacks

He grew up in Mississippi in the '20s and '30s. To his dying day, he used the squalid living conditions of the african Americans around him, conditions caused by racists like him, to justify that very racism. Sickening.

People are lining up to invest in Gaza. Hell, Israel themselves used Gazans as low-priced day labor and captive markets for consumer goods for years before the intifadah.

Head. Desk.

[Kurska]

13. Well there is a reason that was before the intifadah

And not after, a hard lesson that the Palestinians need to start taking to heart. Violence chases away jobs, huh, even then there are plenty of parts of the world that are much calmer then gaza and still completely in poverty.

[aquart]

21. American blacks used suicide vests? Come off it.

Your analogy is piss poor.

DO many Israelis think the only good Arab is a dead Arab? Hell, yeah. I'm sure you can't think of one damn reason why.

Lining up to invest in Gaza? WHO?

BTW, who stole the millions and millions of dollars that were given to those poor suffering refugees who opened embassies in 96 countries? Ever seen an embassy in a low rent district? Palestinian "refugees" were the best-educated people in the Arab world once. What happened? Every bit of it was Israel's fault, I'm sure.

The Arab nations have rushed to their rescue, right?

[azurnoir]

9. So it's your land or Israel's land

is that your stance thank you making your position quite clear

[Kurska]

14. Gaza settlers did give up there land, it belonged to them and they were forced to leave

Now we're in this situation, it's obvious that israeli gesture wasn't returned so tell me, how much land exactly does the likes of hamas want before they stop attacking israel (Hint: All of it)

[azurnoir]

18. It belonged to them lol

from the river to the sea eh?

[Shaktimaan]

26. It belonged to them?

No, it did not belong to them.

Your next statement is correct though. Hamas is demanding all of the land of both Israel & Palestine.

[cali]

27. they gave up nothing. first of all they were dragged off kicking and spitting and

screaming. secondly, that wasn't their land, and yet they got compensated for it.

[aquart]

17. You're asking them to do what you won't do.

And you haven't a clue to my position. But you're thinking by rote and I'm just not impressed by that.

[azurnoir]

19. Oh I more than a clue as to your position

n if the Natives want their land back so be it

[Chulanowa]

25. You know what's funny?

This line: "Deed your house to the local indian tribe and then get back to me."

Well, first off... I happen to be Native. And I don't mean like "My great grandmother was a Cherokee princess", but that pretty much the entirety of my father's side of the family is Choctaw from the Mississippi band. There's extended family among the Oklahoma band (and by marriage we've got a few Cherokee, Chickasaw, and Fox on that side of the family, too). As for the local natives, well, I could take a drive down SR 510 and have a chat with the Nisqually about your idea, but I don't think they'd be too keen, since the property value isn't that great and it's kind of a hassle to get here. Plus it smells like Puget Sound mud every couple of hours. On the bright side though I could stop by a buddy's place down there, have a few bowls, and the two of us can have a laugh at your expense.

I believe your train of thought missed your stop. Hell, I'm not even sure where you thought that particular train was going, man. You're saying that the Israelis are the "indians" in this conflict? What the hell kind of grades did you get in history class, goddamn.

Rather than provide a basic history lesson to yet another person who will just get terribly confused by it though, I'll answer your initial question of what land I was planning to give them.

I'm a supporter of the one-state solution. "Jigga say what?!" you ask? It's very simple. An independent Palestine will fail, even if Israel goes bugnuts and decides to give in and hand over the Right of Return, the 1967 borders, and East Jerusalem. Palestine will have a huge population compared to the land's ability to sustain it, even if they developed it to the max. the Palestinians will have two choices - starve, or go into deep, deep debt. They'll choose the latter because, well, there really isn't a choice there. So Israel will be flanked by a deeply impoverished nation of people who still probably aren't that fond of Israel.

Does this sound like it's going to resolve peacefully to you? Because it doesn't to me. Israel's safety is dependent on Palestine not failing, should it become an independent state. That should be perfectly clear to anyone who's following along so far, right? Therefore Israel either gets to keep whooping the shit out of Palestinians, or Palestine can become an economic dependent on Israel. Neither situation sounds too kosher (or halal, if you prefer) for either group involved.

Basically the two-state solution, even under the best of conditions, is a temporary patch on a simple logistical problem - there's not enough resources for two nations in the erstwhile Palestinian Mandate. All the political arguing in the world isn't going to change the ecology. The existence of two nations in the region guarantees conflict, and it doesn't matter one fucking bit what color they are, what god they worship, what language they speak, or anything. ANY two populations in the same situation (and there have been many in the past to draw reference from) are faced with a difficult choice - Fight, or unite.

I wouldn't give the Palestinians Israeli land. Nor would I give the Israelis Palestinian land. Given the power I would simply erase the distinction, because that is the only method for reaching a lasting peace that I can see in this conflict.

[Barack_America]

16. Sounds to me like the depiction of the Warsaw ghetto from The Pianist.

At least that's the image that immediately came to mind.

[cboy4]

3. Indeed.

:thumbsup:

[dipsydoodle]

4. Of course they're not

:thumbsup:

[PerfectSage]

15. Yeah!!!! Some pro Israel propaganda that doesn't suck

Then the Israeli mother blows it by wondering if the Palestinian child might grow up to be a martyr/suicide bomber????

If I was the Prime Minister of Israel, the first thing I'd do is fire the idiot responsible for pro Israel propaganda.

[okiru109]

22. only a very few

but they got pills for that now