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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 11:05 AM
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Nizar Rayyan of Hamas on God's Hatred of Jews
http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/01/nizar_rayyan_of_hamas_on_gods.php

Nizzar Rayyan, the Hamas leader who was killed, along with two of his wives and several of his children, in an Israeli bombing raid earlier this week, was one of the more bellicose Hamas leaders I have known. I saw him last in Gaza two years ago, at a mosque in the Jabalya Refugee Camp, where I spent quite a lot of time (my book Prisoners explains why).

There are things I didn't know about Rayyan, such as that he had four wives - a fact that tells you something about the culture of Hamas - but I knew that he was sincere in his devotion to the cause of Israel's annhilation. The question I wrestle with constantly is whether Hamas is truly, theologically implacable. That is to say, whether the organization can remain true to its understanding of Islamic law and God's word and yet enter into a long-term non-aggression treaty with Israel. I tend to think not, though I've noticed over the years a certain plasticity of belief among some Hamas ideologues. Also, this is the Middle East, so anything is possible.

There was no flexibility with Rayyan. This is what he said when I asked him if he could envision a 50-year hudna (or cease-fire) with Israel: "The only reason to have a hudna is to prepare yourself for the final battle. We don't need 50 years to prepare ourselves for the final battle with Israel." There is no chance, he said, that true Islam would ever allow a Jewish state to survive in the Muslim Middle East. "Israel is an impossibility. It is an offense against God."

I asked him if he believed, as some Hamas theologians do (and certainly as many Hezbollah leaders do) that Jews are the "sons of pigs and apes." He gave me an interesting answer that reflects a myopic reading of the Koran. "Allah changed disobedient Jews into apes and pigs, it is true, but he specifically said these apes and pigs did not have the ability to reproduce. So it is not literally true that Jews today are descended from pigs and apes, but it is true that some of the ancestors of Jews were transformed into pigs and apes, and it is true that Allah continually makes the Jews pay for their crimes in many different ways. They are a cursed people."

What are our crimes? I asked Rayyan. "You are murderers of the prophets and you have closed your ears to the Messenger of Allah," he said. "Jews tried to kill the Prophet, peace be unto him. All throughout history, you have stood in opposition to the word of God."


How is Israel supposed to negotiate a peace with a group that believes these things? In Hamas's own words, the only reason for a cease fire is to prepare for the final battle against Israel. But then, perhaps he's speaking of the state of Israel, not Jews themselves? :eyes:
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 11:08 AM
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1. How is Israel supposed to negotiate with a guy like that?
They did.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 11:16 AM
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2. Notice his description of the so called ceasefire
Key item for those who claim Hamas is just a group of peace loving people....
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 12:42 PM
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3. I think Hamas and the Israeli government..

...are just plain fucking crazy. They're all murderous wackos with blood on their hands.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 12:59 PM
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5. Exactly. By his words the ONLY purpose....
of a ceasefire is to get ready for the next battle. To increase the likelyhood that this will be that battle that exterminates Israel.

Why would believe such a ceasefire can/would work?

Palestine will have peace when they finally see through Hamas. When Palestinians hang Hamas leaders in the streets and say no more.
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Sezu Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 12:53 PM
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4. For those who say hate will fester because of Israel's current action
perhaps this will open their eyes a little more to the reality of the situation over there. The hate was always there, always will be but Israel can do something about the haters ability to function.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 01:34 PM
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6. Don't people get it?
These murderous thugs DON"T WANT PEACE!

They want THE END OF ISRAEL!

They will accept nothing less.

There will never be anything but suffering, on both sides, until terrorists are put away for good.

As long as people like this run Gaza, the Gazans will have increasingly miserable lives.
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