Palestinians fire at trucks transporting fuel to Gaza

[Phx_Dem]

Shooting themselves in the foot: Only a week after the lethal terror attack at the Nahal Oz fuel terminal, and after complaining of fuel shortages, terror groups are again targeting Israelis supplying fuel to the Gaza Strip.

Thursday afternoon, Palestinians opened fire at trucks transporting fuel to the Strip at the Nahal Oz fuel terminal. No injuries or damages were reported in the latest attack.

The fuel supply to Gaza was renewed on Wednesday, after the transport of diesel fuel was halted for a week. On Monday, Defense Minister Ehud Barak ordered that the fuel supply to the Gaza power station be renewed. The decision was taken after Egyptian authorities requested the move.

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[TooBigaTent]

1. The fact that the Israelis control the resources of occupied Palestine is what

causes the problem. They use energy, medical care, and food supplies as weapons of war against the Palestinians.

[Vegasaurus]

2. The occupied Palestinians

(which are not occupied in Gaza anyway) should not be shooting at or trying to blow up their own fuel trucks.

How stupid can they be?

[Phx_Dem]

3. I don't get it either. nt

[TooBigaTent]

4. Just like those pesky slaves that had the nerve to run away from food and shelter.

Those under Israel's heel have the choice of either living in a prison camp (ala the internment camps in WWII) or fighting for their freedom. If you do not have control of your own life, eating scraps is little comfort.

[Phx_Dem]

5. Your right about one thing

The Palestinians are fighting for their freedom--from under the heels of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al-Aksa brigade and all the other terrorist groups that use them as a tool.

[leftynyc]

6. How much sympathy do you think

this will generate? Complaining about no fuel and then shooting at the trucks? That really makes sense to you?

[TooBigaTent]

8. It's like a strike at a factory. Why would workers not do their job to complain about working

conditions? Actually, it is even more than that, because a worker has the right to work somewhere else. There are other employers.

The Palestinians are forced from their own land, confined in camps (ghettos), and have every aspect of their lives controlled by an occupying force. But you still cannot see why they would protest those conditions.

[leftynyc]

10. Let em protest till they're blue in the face

Everyone will soon lose any sympathy if they shoot the trucks trying to help them. You can keep making excuses all you want, as can they. Let's see how far it takes them.

[TooBigaTent]

11. Your bias is showing, and you did not answer my point about worker strikes.

Do you think that is a different situation? Do you think that workers should never strike because it "does not make sense" to stop working to protest conditions.

[leftynyc]

22. I never said they shouldn't protest

I said shooting at the trucks that are delivering the oil hurts nobody but themselves. Of course I believe in civil disobedience. And yes, I do have a bias and I'm not now nor will never be ashamed of that.

[Vegasaurus]

23. That's the point

Why would anyone celebrate terrorism that hurts the terrorists and their civilian people much more than those they want to harm?

Israel has food, fuel and electricity. Bombing Palestinian fuel trucks means less fuel for Gaza, not less fuel for Israel. Who is getting hurt here?

This is why these moves are just plain stupid.

Civil disobedience I understand.

I don't agree with terrorism, but I suppose one could try to "understand" it, if the goal was hurting the other side. But terrorism that makes your own life more miserable?

It just belies all sane or rational thinking.

[sabbat hunter]

20. if the workers

on strike at a factory attacked a truck coming to help them, they would be wrong.

The people who attacked the fuel truck coming in to Gaza are just as wrong.

Being that Gaza does not have oil wells or coal mines, fuel is always going to come in from outside its borders, until they decide to develop green/renewable sources of energy.

[Vegasaurus]

7. Then why shoot at your aid trucks

or your fuel delivery?

If life is so tough, why make it so much worse for yourself?

It's like the Palestinians are gluttons for punishment. They honestly cannot be this stupid. It belies all common sense.

[TooBigaTent]

9. Why protest ANYTHING? It will, at least in the immediate term, make you life

less pleasant.

The answer is that the hope is that the protest will eventually improve the condition you are suffering under. There is never immediate relief from the condition.

Accepting conditions as they are does not offer any hope that things will change. And it is seen as weakness by those who control the situation.

[pelsar]

12. so any resistance is a "good resistance"..

this was explained to me a short time ago. It doesnt matter if the "resistance" makes matters worse...it doesnt matter if the "resistance" causes more deaths...its the resistance that is most important.

When the Palestinians attack and kill israelis who are risking their lives to bring them fuel and aid, it will definitely have an affect on their lives....since fewer and fewer israelis will be willing to risk their lives to aid the Palestinians. To some this is irrelevant because the resistance is what is most important not the actually day to day lives of the Palestinians.

A quick look at a graph of Palestinian, quality of life and freedom and land mass, will show a constant downhill spiral....this is based on their "resistance". There was a single period where it was reversed, during oslo, but then the "wrong resistance" showed up again in terms of suicide bombers and the downward trend continued.

shooting at fuel trucks, aid trucks, etc may make a few westerners feel good about the resistance, but for the Palestinians...it will only make their lives even more miserable.....

(psst, they might want to try something different, their "jailers" might take notice)

[TooBigaTent]

13. You seem to be saying that only resistance that immediately leads to a positive

change, with NO downside, is the only kind that is valid.

Hunger strikes, sit-ins, and yes, violent protests or REVOLUTIONS are never good? By extension, no conflict should EVER be fought because people suffer.

I guess everything is subjective - because that last part about war makes me think, "Hmmm?"

[pelsar]

14. a type of resistance....

that has proven time and time again to be not just a failure but makes matters worse, doesnt strike me as the most intelligent kind of resistance.....they might try something else.....and they might try changing their priorities.

shooting at the fuel trucks delivering fuel?....and this is just days after attacking the fuel depot?....this has got to be some of the dumbest 'resistance" yet. i'm sure the Palestinians in the hospitals will appreciate it when the electricity stops....

[Vegasaurus]

15. Resistance like this

(blowing up your own fuel truck or the electricity plant supplying your electricity) doesn't lead to positive change.

It leads to less fuel and less electricity and less likelihood that the people supplying it will risk their lives so you will have fuel or light.

That seems like dumb resistance to me. Cutting off your nose to spite your face. No benefit at all, only more misery.

[TooBigaTent]

16. I think that you and pelsar are looking at this from the insular, American

perspective where there are not supposed to ever be negative consequences for any action. We are so used to not having to "pay the piper" because of the accidents of geography and abundance that we blanch at anything that might "hurt" us.

Ironically, that is the same criticism that is made about us "keyboard warriors" who would not dare take any stronger action against the administration.

It is clear that those oppressed by the Israelis are willing to suffer for their eventual freedom. THey have been pushed so far that polite little actions like we take in the US would have no effect on Israeli policy. They want to do more than "wave a sign at George's motorcade" - they want things to change and are willing to sacrifice (recognize that word?) for that.

Was the Boston Tea Party wrong? They were destroying something that they wanted.

Are (peaceful) protests that get you arrested wrong? You will get a criminal record, pay fines, spend time in jail.

Did you feel the same about South Africans rising up against apartheid? That certainly was not consequence-free, but conditions mandated a stronger resistance to the white government.

[Phx_Dem]

17. Why not negotiate?

Why do you think violence is necessary when the Palestinians can negotiate with Israel?

Both sides need to compromise, the Palestinians will never get what they want through violence.

[pelsar]

18. i am looking at from a what works perspective....

IF they refused fuel....had no electricity and said "we dont want your zionist electricity, we would rather be in the dark...you might have something. But that is not the case is it? what we do have is shooting at the fuel truck and then complaining there is no fuel.....thats nothing more than hypocritical and an attempt to dupe the nice westerners...

besides its still a stupid thing to do....shooting at the fuel trucks will only get them less fuel....will the avg israeli care?...no......and that is what you dont understand. For the Palestenians to get a state, they need to give the israelis confidence that if when there is an additional withdrawl, it wont be used to shoot at israelis..as per the withdrawl from lebanon and gaza.

Shooting at the fuel trucks that israelis risk their lives to deliver and then complaining about no fuel?....

you've got to be kidding.....

[Vegasaurus]

19. It doesn't matter if you look at this as an American or an alien

common sense would say that if you want light and fuel from people with whom you are at war, then it makes sense not to blow up your own light and fuel.

Then you are in the dark with no fuel. If you don't care about being in the dark with no fuel, go ahead and blow up, but don't then complain about a siege.

If you think there is a siege, stop your idiot "resistance", as it only makes your life more miserable. It doesn't make the people you are trying to kill have any more misery. Only you, and the innocent people who should be protected.

[Dick Dastardly]

21. Using your argument

Why are you not supporting the Israeli resistance to the countless wars and terror launched at them by the Palestinians and Arab countries which is why they are in the WB & Gaza in the first place. This is resistance to the constant aggression to destroy them so it is right and good and they should even go farther.

I think you are looking at this from the insular, American perspective where there are not supposed to ever be negative consequences for any action against Israel. We are so used to not having wars terror and missiles launched at us daily that it doesnt seem that Israel should worry about it.