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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 12:55 PM
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Former Meretz leader decries 1967 war crimes
Yossi Sarid tells Egyptian daily that killing of unarmed Egyptian soldiers by Israeli army after 1967 war is war crime

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3371879,00.html

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"Former Meretz leader Yossi Sarid told the Egyptian daily al-Ahram that the execution of Egyptian captives by Israeli soldiers at the end of the Six Day War in 1967 was a war crime.

Israel 's Channel One television aired a documentary earlier this week in which it was claimed that an elite Israeli army unit commanded by Labor MK Benyamin Ben-Eliezer executed 250 unarmed Egyptian soldiers.

"The killing of Egyptian captives in the Six Day War was a war crime … but the problem in the region is that war crimes are numerous," the newspaper quoted Sarid as saying on Saturday.

The claims made in the documentary received intensive media coverage in Egypt.

Sarid told the newspaper that although he had not seen the documentary he was aware that Israeli soldiers had committed war crimes against Arab soldiers during the Six Day War."
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 12:03 AM
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1. That's a start, isn't it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 09:05 AM
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2. Horrifying.
Here's a first person account of another such massacre in 1967. At least I don't think from reading it, that it's the same one.

http://www.umassd.edu/specialprograms/mideastaffairs/witness2.htm
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 11:12 AM
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3. Why isn't someone pursuing this? They said it would be difficult, but it's worth a try.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 11:38 AM
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4. They can start by questioning the unit commander...
Edited on Sun Mar-04-07 11:51 AM by Scurrilous
...being a Knesset member, he shouldn't be too hard to find.


Binyamin (Fouad) Ben-Eliezer

http://www.knesset.gov.il/mk/eng/mk_eng.asp?mk_individual_id_t=20


binyaminb@knesset.gov.il
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 09:21 PM
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7. Imagine if an Israeli commander were put on trial for war crime.
It would really help relations with Palestinians.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 03:11 PM
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5. Egypt summons Israel envoy to Cairo over alleged 1967 killings
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"Egypt summoned Israel's envoy to Cairo on Sunday after Israeli
media allegations that the Israel Defense Forces may have killed 250 captured Egyptian soldiers at the end of the 1967 Six-Day War.

Two ruling party lawmakers demanded the ambassador's expulsion, calling him a dog and an apostate. Another called in a special parliamentary session for a declaration of war on Israel.

Egyptians were outraged by an Israeli documentary film which, according to media reports, alleged an army unit led by Benjamin Ben Eliezer, now Israel's infrastructure minister, may have killed 250 prisoners of war in the Sinai peninsula rather than transferring them to POW camps.

Egypt's deputy foreign minister for legal affairs, Abdel Aziz Seif al-Nasr, said Egypt had summoned Israeli ambassador Shalom Cohen to demand an explanation for the contents of the documentary, aired on Israel's Channel One television last week.

Egypt also asked its ambassador in Tel Aviv to obtain a copy of the film from the Israeli government, he said."

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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 08:27 PM
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6. Ben Eliezer cancels Egypt trip
National Infrastructure Minister Binyamin Ben Eliezer postpones Egypt visit in light of tensions roused by Israeli film claiming unit under his command in Six Day War killed 250 unarmed Egyptian POWs. Angered Egyptian lawmakers demand Israeli envoy be expelled

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3372355,00.html

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"National Infrastructure Minister Binyamin Ben Eliezer decided to postpone a scheduled trip to Egypt in light of tensions roused by an Israeli film claiming that the unit under his command in the Six Day War was responsible for the killing of 250 unarmed Egyptian POWs.

Ben Eliezer was slated to visit Egypt this Thursday to meet with Egyptian Intelligence Chief Omar Suleiman and other diplomatic officials.

A spokesman for the minister said that although the facts displayed in the film were incorrect, it was agreed to postpone the trip in light of the unwelcoming atmosphere in Cairo."
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 09:21 PM
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8. He should be afraid to travel outside Israel. Remember Pinochet.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 10:07 PM
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9. Israel minister denies PoWs killed in 1967 war
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"In fact, in one clash during this war soldiers of a battalion of Palestinian Fedayeen operating from the Gaza Strip against Israel, particularly against the unit I commanded, were killed," Ben-Eliezer said.

"These soldiers were not executed as it was said (in the documentary), they were killed in combat.

"Maybe the confusion is due to the fact that two days before this incident, the Shaked commando came across an Egyptian battalion that had stopped fighting, and the men of the unit helped them by providing food and water," the minister's statement added.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070304/wl_mideast_afp/mideastisraelegypt_070304195938




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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 11:00 PM
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11. I'm sure he does deny it,, but there's strong evidence
that it happened. There are eyewitness accounts, not to mention the mass graves. This is ugly stuff, and I have a feeling it's going to become a much bigger deal than it already is.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 01:43 AM
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13. Controversial film does not say Israel killed POWs
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli film that sparked a diplomatic row with Egypt suggests an Israeli army pursuit of retreating Egyptians in the 1967 war was unnecessary but does not say Israeli troops may have killed prisoners.

Reuters obtained a copy of the documentary on Thursday after Egypt called on Israel to investigate whether troops led by Israel's current infrastructure minister may have killed 250 Egyptian prisoners of war taken in fighting in the Sinai desert.

Israeli media reports had said the film made that allegation. The film's director, Ran Edelist, said in a telephone interview with Reuters this week the documentary contained no such charges.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070308/film_nm/israel_egypt_dc_1

Shaked filmaker says he misidentified Egyptians

Ran Edelist, the director of the documentary film about the Shaked Reconnaissance Unit which has provoked a diplomatic uproar between Israel and Egypt, admitted to The Jerusalem Post Thursday that he had erroneously described 250 Palestinian fedayeen killed by the unit at the end of the Six Day War as Egyptians. That error, it appears, is at the root of a wave of Egyptian allegations that Israelis killed Egyptian POWs in this and other wars.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1173173967582&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 10:51 PM
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10. More:
Sept. 17-23: Mass Graves; Egypt Says Israel Shot P.O.W.'s in '67 War (September 24, 1995)

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"A report by Egypt last week that it had discovered two mass graves in the Sinai aggravated a crisis of confidence that has been building for some time between Egypt and Israel. The report, in the Government-owned newspaper Al Ahram, said the graves contained the remains of Egyptian prisoners of war and unarmed civilians shot by Israeli soldiers during the 1967 war.

A senior Egyptian official said that for years, Egypt had ignored evidence that as many as 800 of its prisoners had died in mass killings in both the 1956 and 1967 wars. The reasons for looking the other way, this official said, were mostly domestic, including the fear of arousing a rebellion within the army against Egypt's peace treaty with Israel. But, the official added in an interview, "we cannot do this anymore when the Israelis themselves reveal it."

Last summer, a retired Israeli brigadier general, Arieh Biroh, said in interviews that he and another officer killed 49 Egyptians in 1956. At the same time, an Israeli historian said that as many as 300 unarmed Egyptians were killed."

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CEFDE163AF937A1575AC0A963958260




A SOLDIER'S CONFESSION (August 28, 1995)

http://www.time.com/time/international/1995/950828/israel.html

Admitting to killing Egyptian POWs in 1956, a veteran stirs a nation's conscience

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"The way retired Israeli general Arieh Biro tells the story doesn't leave much to the imagination. First, he says, the 49 Egyptian soldiers, taken prisoner by Israeli paratroopers in the 1956 war, were ordered to lie facedown on the ground. Next, Biro and a lieutenant raked their bodies with submachine gunfire. "They didn't cry out. They were in shock," Biro, then a captain, says without emotion. "It was all over in a couple of minutes."

Actually, it's not over yet. The disclosure that Israeli officers massacred Egyptian POWs in the 1956 war in the Sinai has generated similar allegations about the 1967 war and touched off a scandal that could reach Israel's leading political personalities. The controversy has prompted a bout of soul searching among a people who take pride in the morality of their army. The new paper Yediot Aharonot this week concluded that the government-ordered investigation was necessary not only to satisfy Egyptians but "for our own sake, our conscience, our beliefs and our principles."

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"Biro warns that if he is "thrown to the wolves" over the killings, he will name those who shared responsibility, and "many important people will be implicated." Uri Avnery, a peace activist and former Knesset member, has filed complaints with the police and the Attorney General against Biro, Eitan and retired general Ariel Sharon, a prominent figure in the right-wing Likud Party who was the paratroopers' brigade commander at the time of the massacre. Biro has said he did not think Sharon, who arrived on the scene only the following day, could have known about the murders.

Biro's account unleashed other stories about the 1967 Six-Day War, in which Yitzhak Rabin, now the Labor Party Prime Minister, was chief of staff. Michael Bar-Zohar, a war veteran and former Labor Knesset member, told Israeli radio that he saw two army cooks use knives to slaughter three Egyptian POWs "in broad daylight." In a newspaper account, journalist Gabriel Brun, a sergeant major in 1967, wrote of seeing two military policemen force an Egyptian prisoner to dig his own grave, shoot him inside it, then shoot another prisoner who fell into the grave. Brun said he saw five Egyptians killed that way.

The most serious charge was leveled by Arieh Yitzhaki, a former archivist with the army's history branch. He alleges that in 1967, 300 to 400 Egyptian and Palestinian soldiers fleeing from the Gaza Strip toward Egypt were mowed down by Israel's Shaked reconnaissance unit. Some, he says, died fighting, but others were shot after surrendering. Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, Shaked's acting commander at the time and now Rabin's Housing Minister, denies any POW killings."



Accusations regarding the Six-Day War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusations_regarding_the_Six-Day_War

IDF killings of Egyptian prisoners of war

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"In a 16 August 1995 interview for Israel Radio, Aryeh Yitzhaki of Bar Ilan University, who had worked previously in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) history department, accused a reconnaissance unit, known as Shaked (Almond), of which then housing minister in the Labour government Binyamin Ben-Eliezer had been acting commander, of killing hundreds of Egyptians who had abandoned their weapons and fled into the desert during the 1967 war. Yitzhaki claimed that after the war, he conducted a study proving that in six or seven separate incidents, approximately 1,000 unarmed Egyptian prisoners of war were killed by IDF units. He told Israel Radio that he "submitted the study to then chief of general staff Yitzhak Rabin, but he, as well as the upper echelons of the army, knew and swept it under the rug." It emerged subsequently that Yitzhaki was a member of Rafael Eitan's Tsomet Party. Meir Pa'il, who had employed him as an assistant during research in the IDF archive, speculated that Yitzhaki was seeking to divert public attention away from revelations by retired general Arye Biro concerning his and Eitan’s involvement in the killing of 49 PoWs in the 1956 war. Yitzhaki said "It annoys me that everyone is making an issue about that one case, when everyone knows there were so many events like it". The allegations received widespread attention in Israel and throughout the world and later resurfaced in a book called Body of Secrets (pp. 201-202) by James Bamford.

Although Yitzkhaki’s claim that up to 1,000 prisoners had been killed was not substantiated, in the ensuing national debate in Israel more soldiers came forward to say that they had witnessed the execution of unarmed prisoners and a long-suppressed public reckoning began. Gabby Bron, a journalist on the tabloid, Yedioth Ahronoth, said he had witnessed the execution of five Egyptian prisoners. Michael Bar-Zohar confessed that he had personally witnessed the murder of three Egyptian POWs by a cook and Meir Pa'il said that he knew of many instances in which soldiers had killed PoWs or Arab civilians. In the Associated Press article in which Yitzhaki’s claims spread around the world it was noted that "Rabin, who was chief of staff when some of the 1967 killings allegedly were committed, walked away today when a reporter shouted a related question. His office later issued a statement denouncing the killings and calling them isolated incidents". However, leading Israeli military historian Uri Milstein was reported in the same article as saying that there were many incidents in the 1967 war in which Egyptian soldiers were killed by Israeli troops after they had raised their hands in surrender. "It was not an official policy, but there was an atmosphere that it was okay to do it," Milstein said. "Some commanders decided to do it; others refused. But everyone knew about it."

According to a New York Times report of 21 September 1995 the Egyptian government announced that it had discovered two shallow mass graves in the Sinai at El Arish containing the remains of 30-60 Egyptian prisoners shot by Israeli soldiers during the 1967 war. Israel responded by sending Eli Dayan a Deputy Foreign Minister, to Egypt discuss the matter. During his visit Dayan offered compensation to the families of victims, but explained that Israel was unable to pursue those responsible owing to its 20-year statute of limitations. The Israeli Ambassador to Cairo, David Sultan, asked to be relieved of his post after the Egyptian daily Al Shaab said he was personally responsible for the killing of 100 Egyptian prisoners, although both the Israeli Embassy and Foreign Ministry denied the charge and said that it was not even clear that Sultan had served in the military.

Declassified IDF documents show that on 11 June 1967 the operations branch of the general staff felt it necessary to issue new orders concerning the treatment of prisoners. The order read: "Since existing orders are contradictory, here are binding instructions. a) Soldiers and civilians who give themselves up are not to be hurt in any way. b) Soldiers and civilians who carry a weapon and do not surrender will be killed... Soldiers who are caught disobeying this order by killing prisoners will be punished severely. Make sure this order is brought to the attention of all IDF soldiers."



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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 09:46 AM
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12. Egypt may petition Hague over 'murder of POWs'
Egyptian foreign minister demands official Israeli investigation into film claiming IDF troops killed 250 Egyptian hostages in Sinai 40 years ago. Officials consider petitioning international court of justice; Israeli ambassador in Cairo under attack

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3373155,00.html

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"An Israeli documentary suggesting IDF soldiers may have killed Egyptian POWs during the Six Day War continues to cause turmoil in Egypt. Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit told Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni that his country expected Israel to launch an investigation into the allegations made in the movie.

The film in question, titled "Shaked Spirit", was directed by journalist Ran Adelist and broadcast in Israel last week. The film presented the claim that soldiers of the Shaked Reconnaissance Unit, under the command of Binyamin Ben Eliezer, killed 250 Egyptian unarmed captives at the end of the 1967 war.

Channel 1, which aired the documentary, stressed that the movie made an indirect reference to a pursuit "at the end of which 250 dead commando soldiers were counted," and that none of the people interviewed in the film claimed that the men killed were captives.

Ben Eliezer himself stated in the movie that the pursuit was carried out as part of the fighting.

An Egyptian diplomat stated that his country does not rule out the possibility of petitioning the Hague International Court of Justice on the issue. Egyptian newspaper al-Masri al-Youm reported that Egypt has already started documenting all the relevant information, including the testimonies that appear on the movie, in preparation for future actions."



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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:03 PM
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14. Mubarak says war criminals will be punished
Following controversy surrounding ‘Shaked Spirit’ documentary, Egyptian president says country will take necessary steps to ensure perpetrators of ‘war crimes’ don’t escape punishment

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3377525,00.html

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"In his first comments on the frenzy caused by the Israeli documentary, "Shaked Spirit", Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said that his county would take any steps necessary to ensure that those carrying out the "war crimes" would not go unpunished.

The film in question suggested that soldiers of the Shaked Reconnaissance Unit, under the command of Binyamin Ben Eliezer, may have killed 250 Egyptian unarmed captives at the end of the Six-day war.

In an interview to Egyptian newspaper Akhbar al-Yom on Saturday, Mubarak said, "We never have and never will take our sons' and martyrs' rights lightly. We will realize our legitimate rights and take any steps necessary, that is if the allegations of the killing of Egyptian captives during the 1967 war are proven true. However, we must verify the information by anyone who was affected by the incident."

Mubarak continued to say that "the blood of our fallen cannot be taken lightly."

According to a report on Friday by the Gulf News, an Egyptian man who was captured by Israeli troops during the 1967 Mideast war told the Gulf News website on Friday that he had witnessed Labor MK Benyamin Ben-Eliezer killing two Egyptian prisoners of war for "daring to quench their thirst without his permission."

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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:20 PM
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15. What do you think?
This documentary maker himself says the incident has nothing to do with POWs:

Israeli filmmaker denies Egyptian POWs were killed, Egypt analysts skeptical

CAIRO: After sparking an international outcry over claims that Israel executed Egyptian prisoners of war in 1967’s Six Day War, the Israeli maker of “The Shaked Spirit” Ran Edelist now says the documentary made no such claims.

According to a report published in The Jerusalem Post, Edelist said that the incident in question which took place outside Al Arish in Sinai was a battle between the famed Israeli battalion and Palestinian commandos technically under the auspices of the Egyptian military.

The battle was controversial, Edelist says, not because it ended with the execution of unarmed prisoners, but because some of the Israeli soldiers feared they used disproportionate force against the poorly armed Palestinian fighters.

"In Egypt, some opposition members took what they said, twisted it and added a simple lie to harm the peace process and Mubarak," Edelist said.

He says part of the problem is that few people have actually watched his film, despite the uproar it has caused.

http://www.dailystaregypt.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=6043

What do you make of all of this?

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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:46 PM
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16.  There seems to be ample eyewitness testimony...
...to suggest that Israeli forces may have executed some POWs during the Six Day War and I think that both the Egyptian and Israeli governments will do everything in their power to make sure this matter is buried and forgotten.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 05:22 PM
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17. TV documentary: Egyptians killed captured IDF troops in 1973 war
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"Egyptian troops killed dozens, if not hundreds of captured Israel Defense Forces soldiers in the 1973 Yom Kippur War, according excerpts of an Israeli TV documentary screened Sunday, responding to charges that IDF forces killed captured Egyptian prisoners of war during the 1967 Six-Day War.

Channel 10 TV showed parts of interviews with IDF soldiers who served in the 1973 conflict, relating specific cases in which they said Egyptian forces killed soldiers who had been captured or had surrendered.

The channel said its documentary was a response to the outcry over a different program shown earlier this month on Israeli TV about the 1967 conflict."

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"In the 1973 war, Israeli forces were caught by surprise in a two-front lighting attack by Egyptian and Syrian armies. Thousands of IDF soldiers on the front lines were killed, wounded or captured.

The Channel 10 documentary showed film of what it said were IDF soldiers, their hands bound behind their backs, shot to death in the Golan Heights and the Sinai desert.

Defense correspondent Alon Ben-David concluded, "Investigations of the Egyptian army's behavior in wars against Israel will find dozens, if not hundreds, of cases of captured Israeli soldiers murdered in cold blood by their Egyptians captors."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/839095.html
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