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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 11:18 AM
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Assad gave Hizbullah antitank missiles
Syria has recently transferred large quantities of advanced antitank missiles to Hizbulla in Lebanon, going against a UN resolution on the subject, senior officials in Jerusalem recently learned.

The shipments include Russian-made Kornet antitank guided missiles, of the same type used by Hizbullah against Israel during the war in Lebanon.

A high ranking official reported that in wake of the war, the Shiite group realized it needs to stock up on substantial quantities of missiles that can target the Israeli armored forces.

In addition to the missiles, Israeli officials discovered that Hizbullah continues to amass Katyusha rockets, as well as medium-range and long-range rockets.

Ynet
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 11:26 AM
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1. Granted, the UN is against this and all but...
We should just NOT be surprised. Not in the slightest tiniest bit. After all, did the US stop shipping Israel weapons? Hell no, the US accelerated shipments. No, it's not virtuous or moral stuff, but war tends not to be either.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:52 PM
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28. No surprise at all.
Edited on Wed Feb-07-07 07:53 PM by bemildred
Completely not news. Mostly this is just an indicator that the course of events after the late war in Lebanon continues as expected. Of course, it is unattributed fear-mongering, but I expect it is correct in a general way. Did anyone with a brain expect Hiz'bullah not to arm, or the various parties mentioned not to give them money and sell them arms? Hizbullah, in this case, needs to prepare to defend itself in the coming civil war, too, and the Israel defense fellows appear to be thinking about another go at it with them this year too. It's almost like these anonymous defense sources are trying to give them hints about what to buy.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 11:58 AM
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eyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 12:24 PM
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3. I'm.....speechless
I mean...really....wow
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 12:27 PM
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4. Astounding.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:26 PM
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 03:10 PM
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22. Oh boy!
n/t
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furman Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 04:00 PM
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24. No, not good at all
Voicing support for the armament of Hezbollah is tantamount to calling for the destruction of Israel.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 04:06 PM
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25. Not to mention the government of Lebanon.
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 04:12 PM
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26. Yes, bad form.
Edited on Wed Feb-07-07 04:32 PM by msmcghee
The accepted practice is to state that some of your good friends are Jews who all agree with you that Hisb'allah has no choice but to selflessly stand up to Israel to protect Lebanon from the Zionists in the GOI who are intent on stealing their land.
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 12:31 PM
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5. And? Is Israel the only side in this conflict allowed to have weapons?
They've shown how irresponsible they are with the US weapons they have. I see no reason why they are more entitled to have them than the next guy.

The fact is Israel rolled through Lebanon and the world did nothing to stop them. Everyone has a right to defend themselves, like it or not.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 12:45 PM
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6. Hezbollah is an illegal militia, not the national army of Lebanon
Nasrallah has openly acknowledged the support of Iran and Syria
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 12:49 PM
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7. Well, since the Lebanese army isn't strong enough to defend the country, someone has to do it.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:01 PM
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9. If the Hezbollah would stand down their militia the Lebanese army could defend the country
The real issue is that Lebanon is not in control of its territory due to the militias that have roots going back centuries. The Party of God is a recent mantle that has been assumed.

Egypt controls its territory and the border with Israel. There are no bombings and kidnappings. Israel does not invade, overfly with UAVs or fighters, or launch raids at Eqgyt. There is peace and prosperity. Clue anyone?
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:17 PM
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11. That's one side of the argument. The other is what is to prevent Israel from walking
over and taking control of their neighbor's land?

You are coming at this from the point of view that Israel's goals are above reproach. Unfortunately that's not the case. They have lots of excuses, but the reality on the ground is very different from what we are led to believe.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:30 PM
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13. But you know what the real goals of Israel are right?
Even though they have NEVER attacked another nation unprovoked, they can't be trusted right? Your so biased it's not even funny, it's sad.
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:00 PM
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17. Isn't that always going to be the case? Right now Israel is making a case
to attack Iran. Just like Bush made a case to attack Iraq. And now it turns out Bush couldn't back up his claims and the invasion was for naught.

I think that we need to be very careful in any choice to invade any country. In the end, Israel's actions in Lebanon were a disaster for everyone. They didn't accomplish what they set out to. So maintaining they had a valid reason after the operation has failed, is not helping either side.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:35 PM
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14. Cost
If there is no reason to invade, Israel won't. They have demonstrated it with Egypt and Jordan. Invasions cost the Israel economy a great deal, not to mention political problems domestically and internationally. Pragmatically, if left alone the IDF stays home and everybody prospers.

Hezbollah == illegal...it refuses the orders of the national government and the UN to stand down and disarm. It openly acknowledges rearming and receiving arms, money, and other support from Iran and Syria. UNIFIL has done nothing to stop this, their new French leadership as impotent as their predecessors.
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:55 PM
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16. "need to invade" Israel didn't "need" to do what they did. They chose to. There's a difference.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:17 PM
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18. But if Syria gave anit-tank missles and other armaments to the
Lebanese government (not likely I know since they are hardly on the best of terms) wouldn't the Lebanese army develop the strength to defend the country. As the army's strength increased Hezbollah (at least in theory) could decrease their strength without there being a decline in the ability of Lebanon to defend itself.
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:24 PM
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19. Yes.
In the meantime, Hezbollah is doing that job - like it or not. I'm not at all a fan of Hezbollah. I just don't see why such a big deal is made out of their status simply because they aren't an official army of their country. They have already made their way into the political arena and it's not unrealistic to assume their militia could also be absorbed into the army as well.
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:54 PM
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20. yes hizballa is doing the job...terrorizing the christians..
but i guess thats ok...not to mention that fact that hizballa is occupying s.lebanon with their own militia, own laws, not paying taxes to the lebanese govt....not to mention 6 years of attacking israel and now rearming and laying new mines on israeli territory once again.

but thats ok becauase israel must attack lebanon and take their land and only hizballa is preventing that.....

or...how about this, we look at what jordan has done, we look at egypt....we look at syria...and what we see our countries that protect their own border with their own army and it works!..no shooting, no overflights, no katushas.....

ok i know, those are just facts on the ground, we probably should ignore them.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:53 PM
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31. laying new mines on israeli territory
debatable, both sides are claiming to be in the right.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:00 PM
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8. He knows that
but breakaleg and mr. prax both seem to like terrorist organizations like Hizbullah.
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:15 PM
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10. excuse me? Thinking that it isn't fair for only one side to have weapons to use
against the other means I like terrorist organizations? Right. Perhaps I'm just sick and tired of the US defining for the rest of the world what constitute a terrorist organization. If you look back through history you'll find that many groups participated in terrorism and then went on to be more mainstream. You might even find some of those groups around here.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:28 PM
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12. So it's okay for THEM to ignore
Security Council Resolutions.

Got it.
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:54 PM
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15. pot - meet kettle.
Since Israel is in violation of many UN resolutions, I find it amusing that they would expect another group to come in line with the ones Israel approves of.

Once Israel begins to tow the line, they may have an argument.

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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 03:05 PM
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21. pot/kettle was exactly my point
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 03:17 PM
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23. tried....
didnt work....year 2000.......
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 05:09 PM
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27. Declaring people illegal is rarely the route to peace.
We keep trying it in Los Angeles. "Gangs are illegal" It really doesn't work to well. The group so ostracized merely notes you as a threat and continues about it's business.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:38 PM
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30. Syrian President: Syria firm in its support for Hezbollah, Hamas
DAMASCUS - Syrian President Bashar al-Assad vowed to keep supporting Hezbollah, an Islamic militia in Lebanon, and Hamas, a Palestinian Islamist party, despite United States pressure on Syria to stop backing the groups, Baath Party members familiar with a speech the Syrian leader gave on Wednesday said.

Assad was speaking at the start of a two-day conference of the ruling Baath Party central command, which is expected to set a date before July for a referendum on the renewal of the president's seven-year term.

"The president was clear that Syria's support for the two movements will continue and that their resistance to regain occupied land was a legitimate right," Baath Party member Mostafa al-Meqdad told Reuters.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/823267.html
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