Have you heard of this new weapon, the DIME? Horrible.

[Stephanie]

The barbarism of our era is worse than any other time in history, IMO.

http://themedialine.org/news/news_mideast_daily.asp?Date=10/12/2006&category_id=8

Italian Television Accuses Israel of Testing New Weapon Against Gazans

A team of investigative reporters for Italian television says Israel has been testing an experimental weapon in the Gaza Strip. The Italians say the weapon is similar to an American weapon called DIME – dense inert metal explosive – that seeks to destroy the target while causing minimal damage to the surrounding area. It is typified by severe burns and a high rate of lost limbs. According to the Israeli daily Haaretz, a number of victims were hit by the weapon launched from drones last summer, causing attending physicians in the Gaza Strip to question the pattern of wounds they were treating. For instance, numerous legs were severed in a way that showed signs of severe heat at the point of amputation but no metal shrapnel. The American version is still in a testing stage and has not been used on the battlefield. It has not been declared an illegal weapon.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1924524,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1

Gaza doctors say patients suffering mystery injuries after Israeli attacks

Rory McCarthy in Gaza City
Tuesday October 17, 2006
The Guardian



Doctors in Gaza have reported previously unseen injuries from Israeli weapons that cause severe burning and deep internal wounds often resulting in amputations or death.

The injuries were first seen in July, when the Israeli military launched a series of operations in Gaza following the capture of an Israeli soldier by Palestinian militants.

Doctors said that, unlike traditional combat injuries from shells or bullets, there were no large shrapnel pieces found in the patients' bodies and there appeared to be a "dusting" on severely damaged internal organs.

"Bodies arrived severely fragmented, melted and disfigured," said Jumaa Saqa'a, a doctor at Shifa hospital, the main casualty hospital in Gaza City. "We found internal burning of organs, while externally there were minute pieces of shrapnel. When we opened many of the injured people we found dusting on the internal organs."

It is not clear whether the injuries come from a new weapon. The Israeli military declined to detail the weapons in its arsenal, but denied reports that the injuries came from a Dense Inert Metal Explosive (Dime), a new experimental weapon that causes a powerful blast but in a localised area. The Dime, while causing severe injuries to its target, is intended to limit what the defence industry calls "collateral damage."

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[aquart]

11. Maybe one.

The Jews of Germany and Europe never declared their intention of destroying Germany.

And, I'm just guessing here, but I don't think even one Jew blew up a bus full of Germans before the war.

Think legs get severed when a bus or marketplace is blown up? Have you ever expressed any concern over those legs?

Get back to me.

[leftchick]

13. it is noted in one of the articles the US has used this weapon in Iraq

how many Iraqis have blown up buses in the US? Aside from that using horrible experimental weapons on human beings "suspected" of wrong doing is reprehensible. I am sure the Israelis and US are ALWAYS accurate in their targets!! I guess this makes the US and Israel no better than the so called terrorists. :puke:

[treestar]

15. So what? That makes this OK, how?

The people who did the blowing up are not the same people getting blown apart here.

Collective punishment is what you appear to be supporting.

[leftchick]

19. kinda like torturing everyone detained/kidnapped

just in case we have the number 2 al-qaida!!! It all makes so much sense!

:sarcasm:

[TomInTib]

3. From what I understand, we HAVE been using these in Iraq.

I believe I have even seen some posts on DU about it.

The pictures that I have seen are definitely not the result of WP "flares", as the Defense Dept has maintained.

[BrotherBuzz]

14. I understand we have deployed our version, but...

I haven't heard or read of any accounts of it actually being used. Interesting, I also heard it was deployed it to the republican convention in NY in case things got out of control.

The scary thing about the Israeli version is that it sounds like it has been juiced from stun to burn the toast.

[leftchick]

4. Another article and Photo....

http://www.palestinechronicle.com/story-10110663138.htm



Wounds inflicted by the experimental weapons used in strike on the Gaza Strip


<snip>

According to those who testified, the wounded were hit by munitions launched from drones, most of them in July.

Dr. Habas al-Wahid, head of the emergency room at the Shuhada al-Aqsa hospital, in Deir el-Balah, told the reporters that the legs of the injured were sliced from their bodies "as if a saw was used to cut through the bone." There were signs of heat and burns near the point of the amputation, but no signs that the dismemberment was caused by metal fragments.

Dr. Juma Saka, of Shifa Hospital, in Gaza City, said the doctors found small entry wounds on the bodies of the wounded and the dead. According to Saka, a powder was found on the victims' bodies and in their internal organs.

"The powder was like microscopic shrapnel, and these are what likely caused the injuries," Saka said.

The Italian investigative team raised the possibility that the IDF is making use of a weapon similar in character to DIME - Dense Inert Metal Explosive - developed for the U.S. military. According to the official website of a U.S. air force laboratory, it is a "focused lethality" weapon, which aims to accurately destroy the target while causing minimum damage to the surrounding.

[Stephanie]

6. Lord forgive us

this is beyond

[aquart]

12. The Iraqis never did one thing to us.

There is no forgiveness for what we've done to them.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

16. Yes, they should return to using regular bullets and bombs...

...which, as everyone knows, are completely humane.

[jmowreader]

25. They're more humane than that DIME thing

It appears to me that if you get shot with a gun or bombed with a bomb, and they do it right, you will die right away.

Whereas if they drop one of these DIME things on you, you get to be maimed to within an inch of your life and in a great deal of the kind of pain that never goes away.

Given the choice, I will take dead.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

27. It isn't quite that simple.

Plenty of gunshot wounds result in amputation or worse. I'm not saying this DIME thing is good. All I'm saying is that I think people have wild TV-style delusions of gunshot wounds being a "clean" way to die, and that's definitely not the case.

[SammyWinstonJack]

9. I hate people! Not all, but the ones who would do this, support this.

Those I HATE! :grr: :cry:

[soothsayer]

5. Is it nicer to rip people with bullets and blow them up with bombs?

Or are we just used to it.

[onethatcares]

7. who lies awake nights thinking up these weapons????

what sick kind of mind? What perverted sense of whatever(I don't have the words) allows people to come up with better and badder ways to kill others? It's not just the thought, but the development of them that sickens me, what kind of mind thinks like that? Wouldn't it be better to find cures for famine/disease/cancers than to find bigger and better ways to kill?

[leftchick]

10. I can think of at least two people

rummy and negroponte.

[tnlefty]

21. Didn't Dr. Ullman devise "Shock and Awe", the lovely writ of terror?

Sometimes I wonder if these people shouldn't be placed together in large padded rooms away from society.

[mmonk]

8. So

is this supposed to be a good thing since it limits collateral damage?

[Double T]

17. For a 'people' that bitch about Nazi atrocities SO MUCH.........

IT is beyond time to look in the mirror!!!!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

18. And the last time they were navel-gazing...

...someone walked into a restaurant and blew himself up. Please, let's not pretend either side of this conflict is guilt-free.

[Double T]

20. There is plenty of 'guilt' to go around..........

The lopsided ownership of 'weapons of mass and other destruction' are clearly in the hands of the Israelis (and the USA).

[cobalt1999]

22. I don't understand the outrage.

You have a weapon that is designed to "destroy the target while causing minimal damage to the surrounding area". Little to no shrapnel. You would prefer a standard explosive that throws metal everywhere?

Now, if you are upset we are using ANY weapon, I can understand the outrage, but if it is a choice between weapons, I prefer to see the US use something like this. Dead is dead if you are in the target regardless, but one way limits surrounding damage and everyone is up in arms!?!

[Tom Joad]

28. It is used indiscriminately by the Israeli terror forces.

[Behind the Aegis]

36. .

:eyes:

Got proof that it was used "indiscriminately?" Of course anyone who refers to the IDF as "Israeli terror forces" is bound to provide impeccable sources. :sarcasm:

[cobalt1999]

45. so you'd prefer a different weapon would be used "indiscriminately"?

I understand the outrage at the use of weapons.

BUT if a weapon is going to be used, why the wailing and gnashing of teeth about this particular weapon that has a smaller impact on the surrounding area vs. the older standard weapons that throw shrapnel all over the place?

[treestar]

23. I wonder is this usable to root out terrorists without having to

kill their "human shields?" In which case, there is even less excuse for the mass bombing of areas on the ground that terrorists may be hiding among the civilians.

[jokerman93]

24. nano-war

"The powder was like microscopic shrapnel, and these are what likely caused the injuries," Saka said.

Drexler's going to be pissed.

[kestrel91316]

26. This is the part where I wanna run away and join the Amish.

I want no part of a society that spends most of its time, energy, and resources thinking up better, more efficient ways of killing.

If we are using this sort of thing in Iraq can somebody please explain to me what it was we went in there for? Wasn't it about saving the Iraquis from that evil Saddam? So we "saved" them, for THIS??

[leftchick]

29. what a shock!

dumped in the dungeon.

:(

[Behind the Aegis]

30. and for good reason.

[leftchick]

32. no doubt!

:eyes:

[Behind the Aegis]

33. .

:eyes: indeed, and just a little :crazy:

[leftchick]

34. more like

:banghead:

[Behind the Aegis]

35. why?

Because the "hate Israel, the new Nazi regime" meme doesn't take front and center? I can see why you are frustrated. It is hard to have your propaganda and hate squirreled away to an unpopular forum.

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[Behind the Aegis]

39. I don't give a shit who your friends are.

What does having a Jew as a best friend have anything to do with hating Israel? NOTHING! In case you missed it, the Israelis had an election and Likud is no longer the majority party, it is now Kadima. Given your plethora of anti-Israel posts, I'd surmise your hate goes beyond the government onto the nation itself.

[leftchick]

40. they are not anti-israel posts

They are anti-Israeli government posts. Tis a shame you can not discern the difference. Much like the US press can not discern the anti-bush disapproval from anti-American. Is this too deep for you?
You are forgiven if it is.

[Behind the Aegis]

41. Equating Israel with the Nazi regime IS anti-Israel the country!

Is that too complex a concept for you?! I guess it is, considering your propaganda rhetoric.

There are plenty of posts that reflect anti-Israeli (government) posts but they are usually drowned out by the anti-Israeli (the country) posts.

[leftchick]

42. lol!

propaganda posts! lol! :rofl:

I only post the truth and it must hurt defending nazi tactics in the name of the Israeli government. Or, apparently not. :eyes:

later dude.

[Behind the Aegis]

43. what a sad day for liberals.

It is such a shame when the liberal left resorts to the propaganda style and lock-step thinking so infamous on the right. Also a sad day when hyperbole replaces rationale debate about a serious situation. Debating "leftists" on Israel is akin to debating Iraq with "rightists." Both groups post their "truths" and expect to be swallowed whole, with no thought. However, when a dissenting opinion is presented, the name-calling and propaganda ensue.

ciao dudette!

[Tom Joad]

44. Rightist say that anyone who opposes US intervention in Iraq supports

terror and the bombing of civilians. Some rightists (certainly not you, BTA) defending Israel's actions say that people who oppose Israel's decades old occupation supports terror and the bombing of civilians.

Of course, most of us who oppose Israel's occupation actually desire to see all the killing stop.
Time for the US to get the hell out of Iraq. Time for Israel to get the hell out of the occupied territories, and let them be opened up, not enclosed like prisons.

[Behind the Aegis]

46. Leftists say that anyone who opposes Palestinian terror supports

Israeli occupation. Some leftists defending Palestinian actions say that those who are pro-Israel support the occupation and various other grievances, despite it not even being true. Some leftists will imply that other liberals are actually far-rightists because they do not walk "lock step" with their attacks on Israel. These are the same leftists that foolishly try to interlink the Iraq occupation with the occupation by Israel.

[Lerkfish]

31. I think moving this to this forum ignores the Iraq component of the

OP

not that my 2 cents are worth anything, but hey.

[leftchick]

38. I agree

:(

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