What will be the cause of peace in Israel/Palestine?

[plurality]

Thought this might be fun.

[Herschel]

1. Two states with Israel maintaining some control

If the terrorists groups are dismantled.

[Gimel]

10. In the absense

of a well organized governing body to oversee the PA transitional state, Israel will have to monitor the use of munitions, and the police force's ability to keep illegal militant groups from forming (of course they will have to relinquish any power and use of force).

This should be done professionally and with international groups, UN or Quartet based groups, to continue the monitoring process and to help when problems occur.

Eventually, the palestinian State may emerge as completely soverign as any other. The separation Wall-fence will be removed.

[Rhiannon12866]

26. What you say makes a lot of sense to me

The U.N. and the quartet may be able to monitor the situation in a more objective manner than the U.S., thereby creating less resentment and insuring more cooperation. I like this idea. Objectivity, multi-national involvement and professionalism are what is needed here.

As for tearing down the walls, what a wonderful day that would be for everyone.:-)

[plurality]

2. Federalized state for me

Keeps people on both sides from losing their homes and will force them to learn to live with each other and lose the hate.

[Herschel]

3. The Jewish people

Will have a Jewish nation. That is non-negotiable. Your choice is a fantasy.

[plurality]

4. all good things begin as a fantasy

I believe Zionism was fantasy at some point, n'est ce pas?

[Herschel]

5. If you are saying

The Jewish people should not have a nation, I am sorry to hear that.

[plurality]

6. the world is their nation

as it is the nation for caucasian people, indian people, chinese people, arab people, etc, etc. really nationalism is sooo 20th Century and look where it got those dinosaurs, WWI and WWII. Get with the 21st, human nationalism is the way to go.

[Herschel]

7. I will take that

as a 'no'.

[Rhiannon12866]

9. I like your way of looking at the world

Nationalism was one of the main causes of both world wars. Also imperialism (I'm thinking of Iraq, now) and militarism. So many sad and bloody conflicts throughout history could have been avoided if everyone felt that way.:shrug:

[plurality]

11. thanks

I know it's not the majority view right now, but I think history will prove me right on this one.

[Herschel]

12. Very well

The next time I am told the Palestinians need a state, I will say the world is their state.

[Rhiannon12866]

13. The point he's trying to make is that everyone has equal rights in

this and everyone deserves to be treated equally. But I think you already know that. That's not happening here, nor in many other parts of the world. This is an attitude that leads to conflict, wars and bloodshed. I will use Iraq for an example, yet again. If everyone were treated equitably, no one would have to fight to be recognized.

[Herschel]

14. Wrong

For a Jewish nation, he said the world is their nation. I doubt he has the same attitude for the Palestinians.

[plurality]

16. look at post #2

where I fully explained my position on this, it say I believe in ONE state, which means I don't think there should be a state for Jews, and I don't think there should be a state for Palestinians, but a state they both share. Ideally I like for all nations to disolve, but in the mean time and in this circumstance I'll settle for this.

[Rhiannon12866]

24. I don't think that you are reading the same replies that I am

He is espousing equal treatment for everyone, not championing one side over another. His ``attitude'' is the same towards all, he even included Chinese and Indians in his scenario. We are all citizens of the world, here. No one should have special rights and everyone should have equal rights.

[plurality]

15. you'll notice I haven't and won't say this

Because I don't think giving them a tiny, resource depleted speck of land they can call their own will solve anything.

[jos]

8. Agree

This is the durable and just solution.

[Darranar]

17. However just...

it just won't work. there is hatred on both sides, and few on either side would agree.

[jos]

18. Time and changing demography

will convince enough that this is the right solution. And I think the Palestinians would jump at the chance. It is the Israeli Jews who will have to come around.

[Darranar]

19. Give me a break...

The Palestinains would jump at the chance? I sincerely doubt it. The only way to enforce it would be by force.

[jos]

20. They wouldn't?

Isn't that much of what the Palestinians have been seeking all these years, a one-state solution. In this case it would be modified in that it would be a federal system with a weak centralized state. But nonetheless I don't see how you can say they wouldn't jump at the chance.

[Darranar]

21. The Palestinians have been seeking a one-state solution?

How? Some wish to destroy Israel, some wish their own state. They don't want a one-state solution. If they did, they would perhaps have one.

[jos]

22. Many do

The mainstream Palestinian leadership have advocated a single democratic state for a long time. It's the last thing Zionists want because it would mean a retreat from Zionism.

[Darranar]

23. WHAT?

Much of the "mainstream Palestinian leadership" is composed of former terrorists who do indeed want a one-state solution: involving the destruction of Israel. The mainstream Palestinian people want a Palestinian state. So do the moderates: Abbas and others.

[jos]

27. Read all about it

Inherent in a one-state solution is that the Israeli state would no longer exist in its present form. In its place would be a state from the sea to the Jordan that Jews could call Israel and non-Jews Palestine. In this de-centralized state, particular sections of the state would be governed by one side or the other.

[Rhiannon12866]

28. I think that what is missing in this whole discussion is what are

the true desires of the ordinary people caught up in this terrible conflict. I'm not talking about government factions or militant groups or the U.S., with its vested interests. I have seen interviews with both Israelis and Palestinians and they just want this violence to end. They have been given hope countless times and it has always been snatched away from them. They are quite beleaguered and weary. Can you imagine having to live this way, in constant fear and worry? I would think that ordinary people living in this region would welcome the chance to just go on about their daily lives, and would accept a lot of compromises that would allow them to be able to do this.:shrug:

[sabbat hunter]

29. one state

quote from jos "Isn't that much of what the Palestinians have been seeking all these years, a one-state solution"

the one state solution that some palestinians have been seeking all these years, is an arab/muslim one. not one that ecompasses all peoples.
a HUGE difference

also in a one state solution the palestinian arabs would be the majority and free to make whatever laws they want to supress the jews.

the best solution is two states. israel, and palestine (on the west bank and gaza but not jerusalem.)

peace
david
:hippie:

[plurality]

30. in a constitutional state

the majority is not free to make any laws they want. That's why constitutions are written. For reference look at our own country, while it hasn't been perfect it's done a good job of protecting the minority from the unrestrained will of the majority, thanks to a constitution.

[tinnypriv]

25. A better poll question

What borders will bring about peace in Israel/Palestine?

[Lithos]

31. Locking

As interesting as this is, it is not based on a recent news or op-ed article.

Lithos
FA/NS Moderator
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