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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 03:49 PM
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Death threats sent to journalists in PA
Several Palestinian journalists in the West Bank and Gaza Strip have received death threats from various armed groups over the past few days because of their coverage of the state of lawlessness and anarchy in Palestinian Authority-controlled areas.

Deputy Information Minister Ahmed Suboh condemned the threats, pointing out that a number of press offices had received letters containing threats against journalists.

A journalist who asked not to be named told The Jerusalem Post that groups affiliated with Hamas and Fatah were behind the threats. "We are taking these threats very seriously," he said. "Many of the journalists are afraid."

A source in the PA Information Ministry said that among those who received death threats are journalists working for Agence France Press, Hizbullah's Al-Manar TV and the independent Palestinian news agency Ramattan.

A group of journalists in the Gaza Strip issued a statement on Sunday expressing deep concern over the threats. "We reject all forms of intellectual terrorism, regardless of who stands behind them," the statement said.

snip

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1136361038491&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 03:53 PM
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1. Cough, cough
A group of journalists in the Gaza Strip issued a statement on Sunday expressing deep concern over the threats. "We reject all forms of intellectual terrorism, regardless of who stands behind them," the statement said.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 04:17 PM
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2. *All* attacks on journalists are to be condemned.
http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=6725
May 3, 2003
Reporters Without Borders today voiced its shock at the death of British freelance cameraman James Miller, killed by Israeli army gunfire yesterday evening in Rafah in the Gaza Strip, and it called on the Israeli authorities to ensure that his death does not go unpunished.

"We are dismayed by James Miller’s death, which took place on the eve of World Press Freedom Day today," Reporters Without Borders secretary-general Robert Ménard said. "We demand that the Israeli authorities hold an enquiry and that its results are made public. It is essential that those responsible for his death do not go unpunished and that is made clear they committed an offence."
<more>

*************************

In fact, Miller's death did go unpunished. As did that of other journalists targeted by the Israeli army.

Back to the original post, there is no excuse for these groups in the occupied territories to threaten journalists, or other civilians. However, these are armed groups that are not being coordinated by the Palestine Authority, in fact, as you can see by the above source, it is the PA that is condemning the threats.

"Deputy Information Minister Ahmed Suboh condemned the threats, pointing out that a number of press offices had received letters containing threats against journalists."

I agree with the quote "We reject all forms of intellectual terrorism, regardless of who stands behind them," the statement said. Those who target journalists, whether armed groups in Palestine, the Israeli army, or the United States military and President Bush, are to be condemned.
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 05:51 PM
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3. Right. Very good, conflating a terrible wartime event with
a systemic breakdown in the P.A.

Even the Gaza militants have condemned the disorder:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4593206.stm
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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:54 AM
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11. I think someone needs to acquire themselves with the *FACTS*
This, quote, "terrible wartime event", was a deliberate & intentional act of murder.
The soldier in the APC that the British film crew were walking towards, whilst carrying a
torch & a large white flag, & whilst shouting "we're British journalists" must have been
aware of who he was shooting at, mustn't he? I think the soldier responsible for the murder
of the Britsh film maker, James Miller, should be held accountable for his actions, & prosecuted,
do you agree, CB?


'Briton's family sues over shooting

Sam Jones
Tuesday May 3, 2005
The Guardian

The family of an award-winning British film-maker who was shot dead by the Israeli army has launched a civil action against the Israeli government on the second anniversary of his death.

James Miller, from Braunton, in Devon, was filming in the Rafah refugee camp in Gaza when he was fatally wounded by a soldier from the Israeli Defence Force on May 2 2003. He was 34.

Miller and his colleagues were trying to leave the home of a Palestinian family when they came across an armoured personnel carrier. They have always maintained that they were carrying a white flag and had identified themselves to troops as British journalists.

But an Israeli soldier opened fire as they approached the vehicle and seconds later Miller, a father of two, was hit in the neck between his body armour and helmet.

The officer who fired the shot is a first lieutenant in the Bedouin Desert Reconnaissance Battalion, who was commanding the unit at the time. He was due to face a disciplinary hearing but was acquitted by Brigadier General Guy Tzur, the head of the army's southern command.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1475330,00.html



http://www.justice4jamesmiller.com/
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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:56 AM
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34. From the BBC -
Quest for truth over Gaza death

Thursday, 6 November, 2003

By John Sweeney
BBC, London

James Miller was a cameraman on the side of the underdog.

He had a great eye, and he used his talents as a warrior against inhumanity wherever he found it: in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Zimbabwe.

On 2 May this year he was shot dead by an Israeli soldier in Rafah, in the occupied Gaza Strip.

>snip

We showed the APTN film of James' shooting to a serving Israeli soldier.

He said: "That's murder".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3235155.stm



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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:29 AM
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35. From Reporters Without Borders -
Israeli army closes probe into Miller shooting, soldier won’t be charged

10 March 2005

Reporters Without Borders voiced outrage today at the Israeli army’s decision to close the investigation into the May 2003 fatal shooting of British journalist James Miller in the Gaza Strip and to not press charges against the soldier who fired at him.

"It is unacceptable that, after investigating for more than a year and a half, the Israeli army says it has not obtained enough evidence to charge the soldier who fired at James Miller and that only military sanctions will be adopted," the press freedom organization said.

"We will not settle for an official reprimand or a mere administrative sanction in this case, the army must pursue its enquiries," the organization added.

In a statement yesterday, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) said "the analysis of the military police case file, in particular, the facts that are beyond dispute (...) ballistic tests and audio analyses, lead to the conclusion that the evidence available does not provide a reasonable chance for conviction as required under criminal law."

The soldier concerned was questioned six times by the military police and each time gave a different account of what occurred. He admitted to violating the rules of engagement but denied firing in Miller’s direction. The autopsy carried out on 8 May 2003 at the Israeli national forensic institute nonetheless established that Miller was killed by a shot fired from head on and that the bullet was of an Israeli type.

The investigation’s conclusions were presented to Miller’s family in Tel Aviv by military prosecutor Avihai Mandelblitt. Miller’s brother, John Miller, described the investigation as "incomplete." The soldier’s gun was reportedly not examined by the military police until 11 weeks had gone by. "This is why we intend to appeal to a civilian court," he told Reporters Without Borders, which is supporting this initiative.

Aged 34, married and the father of two children, Miller was shot dead on 2 May 2003, 16 days after he had arrived in the Gaza Strip to make a documentary for Home Box Office about the impact of the fighting on Palestinian children and the inhabitants of the Rafah refugee camp.

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=12828

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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 05:07 AM
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36. From HRW -
(last one, I promise)

Promoting Impunity
The Israeli Military’s Failure to Investigate Wrongdoing

James Miller

British cameraman James Miller was shot to death in Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip, on May 2, 2003. He and his colleagues had made themselves conspicuously visible when they left the house in which they were staying. There had been no shooting in the area for at least an hour. Miller was the sixty-fifth journalist to be injured or killed in the Occupied Palestinian Territories since September 2000. He was experienced in conflict conditions and had spent sixteen days in the area.

Miller and three colleagues visited a house in the al-Brazil area of Rafah to interview one of the subjects, a child, for a documentary they were preparing. For several hours Israeli soldiers in nearby armored personnel carrier had been playing Arabic music loudly and shouting at them in Hebrew and Arabic. Miller’s co-producer, Dan Edge, told Human Rights Watch, “They had been playing Fairuz, asking us if we liked it, telling us to go to bed. They were in high spirits, they sounded like kids.” Although there had been occasional shots fired earlier in the evening, by 11 p.m. the situation had been quiet for at least an hour. Miller, his colleague Saira Shah, and translator `Abdullah Rahman `Abdullah decided to leave the house by the most visible manner possible. The three left by the front door, wearing protective clothing with “TV” marked in fluorescent letters. Rahman held a white flag, Miller shined a flashlight on the flag, and Shah held a British passport in her upraised hands. Much of the incident was filmed by Dan Edge and viewed by Human Rights Watch. The three walked towards where they believed the nearest armored personnel carrier (APC) to be, shouting in English and Arabic that they were journalists. An unseen Israeli soldier fired once towards the group. Shah cried out, “We are British journalists.” Thirteen seconds later, a second shot hit Miller. Five more shots followed.

The next day the IDF Spokesperson’s office said Miller had walked into an exchange of gunfire, and “most likely been shot in the back by Palestinian terrorists.” He said IDF soldiers had risked their lives to go Miller’s assistance. “An IDF doctor who was on the scene shortly after Miller was shot stated that the bullet entered into Miller's rear left shoulder.” Three days later, the autopsy results established conclusively that Miller had been shot through the front of the neck.

Miller’s friends, family, and employers worked to gather all possible relevant evidence. Within three days, they had met with the U.K. ambassador, retained a prominent Israeli human rights lawyer, hired an independent military expert to examine all evidence, and sent out an independent pathologist to witness the autopsy, accompanied by a police photographer. On May 15, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw raised the case with his Israeli counterpart, Silvan Shalom. Two weeks later the Miller family sent ballistics expert Frederick Mead to examine the fatal bullet – a 5.56 mm shot at short range. The family, via their lawyer, asked the JAG on June 2 to secure the weapons of the unit operating in the area the night of the shooting. After several reminders, the JAG ordered the weapons be secured three weeks later, on June 24. Ballistics tests were due to be carried out on July 13, when Mead discovered that only nine of fifteen guns had been secured. The family halted the tests until they could be sure that the correct weapons had been secured for testing. The international media reported regularly on the case throughout this period.

The IDF conducted an “operational investigation,” although it is not clear whether it was ever officially completed. The JAG opened a Military Police investigation at the end of August 2003, three-and-a-half months after Miller’s death. Senior army officials outside of the JAG office followed the issue closely. By mid-November, Maj.-Gen. Giora Eiland had reportedly received an “interim” Military Police report, but said the authors “had not considered all the available evidence” and so the investigation would require more time. Saira Shah and Daniel Edge were officially interviewed in January 2004, some six months after a first “unofficial” meeting with JAG staff. Miller’s family had been informed that they would not receive a copy of the final investigation report – a rule that applies to Israelis as well as foreigners. After ambassadorial intervention, Maj.-Gen. Giora Eiland reportedly agreed to let the family read a copy of the investigation report in an IDF office in Israel.

Miller’s family, friends, and colleagues went to enormous lengths, with abundant credible evidence, to ensure that Miller’s death was investigated. Few Palestinians have such resources, contacts, or journalistic skills. Nor should anyone have to go to these lengths to ensure that a disciplined military force take the first and most basic step towards accountability: namely, investigate.

On March 9, 2005, the IDF released the JAG conclusions regarding Miller’s death. Miller’s family said that Brig. Gen. Avihal Mandelblitt had told them that because there was no match between the fatal bullet and an IDF weapon, the officer involved would not be prosecuted, although he would be disciplined for breaking the rules of engagement and for changing his story during the investigation. The IDF’s public statement said that the investigation found that an IDF lieutenant and commanding officer at the site “allegedly fired his weapon in breach of IDF Rules of Engagement,” but that the forensic evidence “leads to the conclusion that the evidence available does not provide a reasonable chance for conviction as required under criminal law.” Miller’s widow, Sophy, criticized the investigation, saying, “although they strongly suspect one soldier, they cannot make a ballistics match. This is not surprising to us, as they failed to collect the weapons for eleven weeks.” The family said they would request an Israeli court to review the findings.

In a subsequent disciplinary hearing, the officer, a first lieutenant in the Bedouin Desert Reconnaissance Battalion, was acquitted of charges that he had violated open-fire regulations. The IDF said that Brig. Gen. Guy Tzur decided the shooting was “reasonable” in light of prevailing conditions, including “frequent terrorist attacks, thick darkness and earlier that same day the soldiers were fired at by anti-tank missiles.” Ha’aretz quoted the IDF Spokesperson as saying that the investigation into the shooting was “unprecedented in scope,” and included ballistics checks, examinations of satellite imagery, and polygraph tests. Prior to Brig. Gen. Tzur’s decision, on April 7, a 79-page report by the chief lawyer of the IDF Southern Command reportedly stated that soldiers questioned in the investigation had changed their testimonies during the inquiry, and that the barrel of the rifle alleged to have been used in the shooting had been changed. The report also said that May 3, 2003 videotapes from the IDF observation system that may have filmed the shooting had disappeared and that attempts to locate them had not been successful.

http://hrw.org/reports/2005/iopt0605/8.htm#_Toc106249197
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 12:13 AM
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:48 AM
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15. I can't see how anyone can disagree with Tom...
All attacks on journalists should be condemned and it shouldn't matter what nationality they are. If you think that pointing out that Israeli forces have attacked journalists in the past is trying to show how evil Israel is, then why isn't pointing out that Palestinian militias have attacked journalists trying to show how evil Palestine is?

One question: if the killing by Israeli forces of a journalist is somehow seen as different because it's a 'wartime death', then can you tell me when this 'war' ended? And if it's a war, and Gaza was a warzone, why was the Israeli govt encouraging Israeli civilians to go live right in the middle of it?

Violet...
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TokenJew Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 03:32 PM
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20. The problem with Tom's post is it doesn't condemn
the above attack; it ignores it and changes the subject to an attack where Israel is in the wrong.

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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:48 PM
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25. Read the title of his post
Has '*All* attacks on journalists are to be condemned.' suddenly morphed into 'only attacks by Israel are to be condemned?
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TokenJew Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:55 PM
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26. his presentation of an attack by Israel
rather than a clear denouncement seems to be a diversionary tactic. Maybe not? I'll give him/her the benefit of the doubt this time.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:08 PM
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27. It's damn clear that he opposes ALL attacks...
Trying to read that very clear statement any other way seems an exercise in futility...

Speaking of diversionary tactics, I thought I'd remind you of this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x110684#110954

Violet...
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TokenJew Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:10 PM
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28. Not a diversionary tactic in the least
The post I replied to was comparing withdrawal from Gaza to withdrawal from the West Bank as a means of determining its worth in the grand scheme. I suggested comparing it to the actions taken by the PA to reign in the militants since if one wants to compare, it's only fair to compare the two parties in the conflict.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:14 PM
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31. And neither was Tom's if you use that logic..
n/t
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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:29 AM
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12. That's right, they should be.
There shouldn't be any of this selective outrage, or selective condemnation, any
targeting of journalists should be condemned.

The idf has a habit of targeting, and/or shooting journalists & cameramen.

egs;

'Imad Abu Zahra

Imad Abu Zahra, a 34-year-old Palestinian freelance writer and photographer, was shot by the Israeli military on July 12, 2002, while taking photos in his West Bank hometown of Jenin. He sustained massive blood loss from his gunshot wound and died within hours after the shooting.

>snip

Issam Hamza Tillawi

Thiry-two-year-old Issam Hamza Tillawi, also Palestinian, was a program host and reporter for Voice of Palestine (the Ramallah-based official radio station of the Palestinian Authority). Tillawi died from a gunshot wound on September 22, 2002, his fatal attack sustained while attending, and covering, a Palestinian demonstration to protest the Israeli military occupation in Ramallah and the siege of Yasser Arafat's compound.

Tillawi was at the scene with his editor, who claims that the reporter was wearing a jacket that clearly identified him as a member of the press. And further, he says, Tillawi was outfitted with recording equipment because he was going to interview protesters at the demonstration. The Israeli military fired tear gas to disperse the crowd. Eyewitnesses state that as Tillawi ran to take cover, he was shot in the back of the head by an Israeli sniper perched atop a building.

>snip

Nazeh Darwazeh

Nazeh Darwazeh, a 43-year-old cameraman for Associated Press Television News (APTN), was shot in the head on April 19, 2003, while on assignment. Eyewitness reports and footage of the attack suggest that the Palestinian cameraman was shot by an Israeli sniper.

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/israel.palestine/update.html

'ISRAEL: CPJ calls on IDF to investigate attack on cameraman


November 4, 2005

TO: Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz
Chief of the General Staff
Israel Defense Forces
9 Itamar Ben Avi Street
Tel Aviv, Israel

Lt. Gen. Halutz:

The Committee to Protect Journalists is alarmed by the beating and brief detention of a cameraman filming a protest in the West Bank today.

Nabil al-Mazzawi, 26, on assignment for the Qatar-based al-Jazeera news channel, was covering a demonstration against Israel's construction of the separation barrier in the village of Beilin, near Ramallah, when he was attacked by several soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, the journalist told CPJ. He said the soldiers punched, kicked, and threw him to the ground. Al-Mazzawi said he was detained for six hours.

An Israeli police spokesman said soldiers detained al-Mazzawi after he assaulted a border police officer, according to news reports. But footage from al-Mazzawi's camera showed he did not attack an officer or provoke the assault, according to a statement issued by al-Jazeera. Al-Mazzawi told CPJ that he was released after police viewed the tape; he said he was told that he can file a complaint against the soldiers.

CPJ is deeply concerned by the disturbing number of documented incidents in which Israeli soldiers have attacked clearly identified journalists carrying out their assignments. Rarely have investigations into such incidents been carried out seriously or those responsible brought to justice, a situation that allows soldiers to continue to act with impunity.

We urge you to conduct a thorough and expeditious investigation into the attack on Nabil al-Mazzawi and to hold the assailants responsible to the full extent of the law.

http://www.cpj.org/protests/05ltrs/Israel04nov05pl.html
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:40 AM
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TokenJew Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 03:30 PM
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19. that's not a condemnation of the event in the original post
it's a diversionary tactic.

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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:49 AM
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32. Yes it is, & no it isn't. n/t
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:02 PM
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4. This is a sickening development ... "Intellectual terrorism"
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 10:48 PM by barb162
"We reject all forms of intellectual terrorism...."

Without freedom of the press, how will the Palestinians have a free, open and democratic society?

Also in the story, that (factions in) Fatah and Hamas, the largest parties, were behind the threats and that it involves multiple news agencies. Who doubts these two parties will get the largest number of votes in late January.

Then
"...On Saturday night, a group of Fatah gunmen tried to storm the offices of the pan-Arab Al-Arabiyah TV station in Gaza City in protest against the airing of a documentary on Muslim female suicide bombers. The gunmen, who belong to Fatah's armed wing, the Aksa Martyrs Brigades, accused the Dubai-based station of defaming female suicide bombers by presenting them as victims of social and psychological problems." snip

This quoted material about "defaming" suicide bombers is too much. The pathological thinking about their honoring suicide bombers (the "martyrs") is in full evidence here. When Abbas in early December signed a bill alloting monthly stipends to the families of suicide bombers, it shows the pathological thinking honoring the bombers is evident even at the very top of the government. The government supports the families of the "martyrs" and future "martyrs" now have the comfort of knowing the government will give money to his/her family.


More amazing pathology: "One of the gunmen later claimed that Al-Arabiyah had agreed to broadcast another film praising the phenomenon of suicide bombings." Well yeah, gunmen, death threats, etc. (likely scenario of reporter to gunman?: I'll write any story you want...please don't point that at my head)


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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 10:25 PM
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5. I'd like to ask for a link, barb...
When Abbas in early December signed a bill alloting monthly stipends to the families of suicide bombers...

I tried to google more info, but there's little about it available. I read on one site that the claim came from a Kahanist site. I don't know, but I couldn't find any mainstream news source info about it. Where did you get the info?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:19 PM
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6. certainly
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=94583

Abbas Approves Monthly Grant To Families of Suicide Bombers
16:23 Dec 11, '05 / 10 Kislev 5766
By Scott Shiloh

The head of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, has approved a new law, providing monetary grants to the families of suicide bombers.


Abbas gave his approval just six days ago, a day before a suicide bomber struck the HaSharon Mall in Netanya, killing five Israelis and wounding scores of others.

The legislation refers to the suicide terrorists as shahids (martyrs), a term generally applied to a person who dies in an operation fighting against Israel.

Under the new law, the terrorist’s family will be paid a base sum of $250 per month. The law takes into account extended family arrangements commonplace in Arab societies. The families of married terrorists are entitled to an additional $50 per month, and $15 are added for each child, $25 for each parent, and $15 for each brother who lived with the terrorist prior to his death.


snip



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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:30 PM
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7. Hmm. Here's another article from that site, praising Kahane.
I wouldn't trust any information from a site that speaks of Kahane in these terms. Perhaps you should double check it's accuracy.

A sampling:

The Measure of a Man
by Shifra Hoffman
Nov 18, '05 / 16 Cheshvan 5766


It has been fifteen years since an Arab assassin's bullet stilled the voice of Rabbi Meir Kahane, the truest and most noble Jewish leader of our generation. Although conventional wisdom teaches that "time heals all wounds," the pain and anguish of so great a loss continues. Indeed, it is compounded, as his prophetic warnings concerning the rise of an Arab nationalism that threatens Israel's very survival have become stark reality.

Although it may come as a surprise to many Jews who even today opine that he should have 'toned down his rhetoric' and 'not said everything openly', in order to receive more votes for his Kach political party, Rabbi Kahane did not consider himself a politician. Rather, in his own words, "I am first and foremost a rabbi, who is in politics."

...In what was undoubtedly the coupe de gras in the myriad of outrageous actions taken to silence him by successive Israeli governments, was Rabbi Kahane angry at being banned by the 'democratic' State of Israel - while Arab Knesset members who openly align with Israel's enemies are permitted to run for election? He was imprisoned countless times and often suffered beatings for espousing the truth.

...At this critical juncture in Jewish history, when the unthinkable expulsion of Jews from their homes in Gaza has been perpetrated by a Jewish (sic) government, and the plight of several thousand refugees they created seemingly doesn't anger members of Knesset nearly as much as the thought that they may lose power in the next election, the sage words of an anonymous philosopher seem altogether fitting: "The measure of a man... is what angers him."


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=5770
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 01:20 AM
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10. It appears here also and a few other places
http://www.dailyalert.org/archive/2005-12/2005-12-05.html

Abbas Approves PA Assistance to Families of Suicide Bombers - Jonathan D. Halevi (News First Class-Hebrew)
On the very day of a suicide bombing in Netanya, it has been reported that the chairman of the Palestinian Authority gave budgetary approval to assistance for the families of suicide bombers.
Each martyr's family will receive a monthly stipend of at least $250 from the PA.
The budget for families of martyrs, prisoners, and the wounded could reach $100 million a year out of an annual budget of over $1 billion.
( and then it goes to Hebrew when you click further to see the in-depth story).

Same thing with the Palestinian papers for 12/4 and 12/5, the paper in which it was printed is not showing up in English.

I believe the story. I understand your decision

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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:39 AM
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13. Got it from any reliable sources?
This Halevi guy doesn't sound particularly trustworthy...

"Jonathan D. Halevi is a former career Israeli intelligence officer and advisor for policy planning in the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Mr. Halevi today works as a researcher in Middle East politics for the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, headed by former Israeli UN Ambassador Dore Gold and consults on Middle East and Arab affairs to the Wall Street Journal and other publications."

http://www.intelligencesummit.org/speakers/JonathanHalevi.php

Violet...

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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 03:27 PM
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18. Suing the PA
(This article written 11/05 in the Jerusalem Post mentions "the PA's open financial support for terrorists..." already existing.



http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1132475650162&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Nov. 29, 2005 22:01 | Updated Nov. 30, 2005 14:01
Suing the PA
By RACHEL EHRENFELD

Victims of Palestinian terrorism should take note of Palestinian Authority finance minister Salam Fayad's recent resignation. Fayad is said to be particularly upset because PA Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei arranged that the $350 million being donated to the PA in 2005 is paying to employ 60,000 people in the security services. Among these are Palestinian terrorists serving time in Israeli prisons. The prisoners include those who murdered Israelis, suicide bomber dispatchers, and suicide bombers caught en route.

"We don't know if 10-15,000 of these people are even still working or not," said the head of the parliament's economic committee, Azmi Shuabi.

Saadi al-Wahidi, a senior official at the PA's Civil Service Administration, told the Palestinian newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadeeda on November 16 that the PA has created a special committee to determine the pension eligibility of all members of Palestinian armed organizations such as the Aksa Martyrs Brigade, the Kassam Brigade, Hamas and Islamic Jihad. The payments will be retroactive and include current and former Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli prisons.

This committee was established following the September 3 announcement by the Palestinian Minister for Prisoner Affairs, Sufayan Abu Zayda, that his office deposits salaries of $400 to $500 a month for each prisoner, in addition to a $50 monthly payment each for expenses in the prison canteen. The Palestinian Prison Affairs office also funds current prisoners' legal expenses, medical treatment, etc.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 03:56 PM
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23. and here's one more and
I'm not familiar with this source

http://imra.org.il/story.php3?id=27715

"Tuesday, December 6, 2005
PMW: Abbas Approves Grants to Suicide Terrorist Families

Palestinian Media Watch Bulletin
December 6, 2005
Abbas Approves Grants to
Suicide Terrorist Families
By Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook
Palestinian Media Watch:
p:+972 2 625 4140e: pmw@pmw.org.il
f: +972 2 624 2803w: www.pmw.org.il
The Palestinian Authority yesterday revealed a new law that allocates money
to family members of shahids, or 'martyrs.' A shahid is the highest honor
attainable to a Muslim, and signifies a death for Allah. The Palestinian
Authority regularly labels suicide terrorists as 'shahids.'

Following the translation of the article is a list of some terrorist shahids
honored by the Palestinian Authority. Under the new law, the families of
these terrorists will receive monthly payments.

The president has authorized the implementation of the financial clause of
the Care of the Families of Shahids draft law "...The fifth clause of the
draft law includes granting a monthly allowance to the family of every
shahid, taken from the general budget of the National
Authority. The sum of the allowance is estimated to be $250, but if the
shahid was married , another $50 are to be added to
the sum mentioned above, and if the shahid had children, of] $15 will be allocated to each of them. In addition, if the shahid had a
father or mother, a sum of $25 will be allocated to each of them.
If the shahid had brothers, whom he had been taking care of, each of them
will be allocated $15... The transfer of the allowances to the
families of the shahids is expected to be carried out by the Institute for
the Care of the Families of Shahids, through special accounts
for the eligible people...

From PMW Archives

Suicide terrorists are called shahids by the Palestinian Authority and,
under the new law, their families will be receiving Palestinian Authority
monthly payments."
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:12 PM
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30. IMRA is a pro-Israel propaganda site...
As for the JPost, well I did ask for credible sources, which none of these posted have been. AI or HRW are credible sources and did have information on PA payments to families of suicide bombers during the Arafat era, so if they say that the same is happening now, that's credible information from very credible sources. In the meantime, it sounds like wheel-spinning from those trying to make out that there's no difference between Arafat and Abbas...

Violet...
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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:52 AM
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33. That's it, the no. of credible sources =0.

There haven't been any links posted that give any credence to the claim;

--When Abbas in early December signed a bill alloting monthly stipends to the families of suicide bombers...--

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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:58 PM
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8. its old news...
just google:

Each shahid’s family will receive a monthly stipend


nor is it really surprising....since hes made it clear he also wont stop the kassams....claiming its israels problem... (i really love the way he puts the onus on israel, knowing full well that whatever israel does to stop the missles it will be condemed-perhaps you have an a proposal for israel, that you would support, or should israel do nothing?
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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:54 AM
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16. Link, please?
I did as you suggested, all that appeared was an article from the
hatemongers, FrontPageMag.
So, any basis for yer claim?
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 10:24 AM
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17. hebrew papers...
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 10:28 AM by pelsar
a couple of weeks ago....i did some looking....

your "out of luck"...its origin is: al Hayat al Jadida a palestenian paper, that the hebrew papers translated....and was picked up by some sites.

so its up to you to believe or not (unless of course you want to learn some hebrew or arabic....)
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 03:38 PM
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21.  my post 18
and also

Palestinian Authority funds go to militants

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3243071.stm

"The Palestinian Authority, headed by Yasser Arafat, is paying members of a Palestinian militant organisation which has been responsible for carrying out suicide attacks against Israeli soldiers and civilians, a BBC investigation has found" snip



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TokenJew Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 03:40 PM
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22. To be fair
that article is two plus years old and specifies these payments were made under Arafat's auspices.

Just saying.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:01 PM
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24. thanks for the input.
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 04:04 PM by barb162
One can find many many articles, as that BBC article demonstrated, on various financial and other support of the militants by the PA. Trying to find a specific English translation of a specific bill or one that gives a lot of specifics in more than a few mainstream souces is another story. I think Arutz Sheva is classified as a mainstream source
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:11 PM
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29. US troops also threaten journalists.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1682246,00.html

American troops in Baghdad yesterday blasted their way into the home of an Iraqi journalist working for the Guardian and Channel 4, firing bullets into the bedroom where he was sleeping with his wife and children.

Ali Fadhil, who two months ago won the Foreign Press Association young journalist of the year award, was hooded and taken for questioning. He was released hours later.

Dr Fadhil is working with Guardian Films on an investigation for Channel 4's Dispatches programme into claims that tens of millions of dollars worth of Iraqi funds held by the Americans and British have been misused or misappropriated.

*******************

Yep, sure is enough blame to go around. Journalists should be respected.
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 05:29 AM
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37. journalists....
walk a very thin line......they play on both sides, carry equipment that can easily be mistaken for RPGs, machine guns etc...

sneak around with the both forces....and those vests which they constantly complain the "is clear to everyone" is never that.

and manytimes psudo jounalists or real jounalist are used to pass on info, working as couriers.

_____________

in short everytime a journalist gets shot, or questioned doesnt automatically make him innocent simply because he has a piece of plastic that says "reporter"
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