A special plea for unity in the gun dungeon

[Lefty48197]

I would like to take this opportunity, in the spirit of Unity to reach out to my fellow gun dungeon posters, with the intention of finding common ground on political issues, as we continue into this new year. We all know that many of us in the gun dungeon disagree vehemently on certain issues related to gun availability in this country. We've argued with each other, insulted each other, called each other names, and gained NOTHING. For my own part in these fruitless discussions, I offer my sincerest apologies.
In the spirit of Democratic unity, it is best that we put these divisive issues aside, and seek common ground as we discuss the many issues upon which we can fully agree.
In the spirit of unity, I am reaching out to all of you in the gun dungeon, especially those I have derided as "gun nuts" and "right-wingers".

As loyal dedicated members of the Democratic party, surely we can find many issues to agree upon. Let us do so, and move forward.
I invite all of you to join me in the many other forums at Democratic Underground, as we exercise our newfound unity:

Join me in the economics forum, where we can fight for economic justice for Americans that are left-behind by the economic policies of the right-wingers. Help me fight for a progressive tax structure that doesn't make working Americans choose between paying taxes, and paying for life's necessities.

Join me in the education forum, as we fight the right-wing's attacks on our public education system. Help us fight to subsidize higher education, and make it available to more working Americans.

Join me in the foreign affairs & defense forum, where we can fight against the terrible policies of George W. Bush. Help me fight to get our troops the body armor, vehicle armor, and the bullets they need to complete their mission. Helps me also fight to be sure that those same troops are only sent into harm's way, when it is absolutely necessary, and when their target presents an actual threat the the USA.

Join me in the health care forum, as we follow our Lord's command to "annoint the wounds of the afflicted". Help me fight to extend health insurance and coverage to America's poorest citizens. Surely, none of us is prepared to meet out Maker and declare that we thought gun ownership was more important that health coverage for human beings?

Join me in the poverty & economic development forum, where we can fight to bring America's working families further out of poverty. Help me fight to save the programs such as welfare, medicare, medicaid, and social security which do so much to keep Americans OUT of poverty.

Join me in the environment & energy forum where we can fight to see that George Bush's corporate friends aren't allowed to rape the landscape. Fight to ensure that our air, water, and land remain clean. Fight to help clean up, that which is already dirty. Help fight to ensure that George Bush doesn't start planting oil wells in the middle of our streams, farms, and forests.

Join me in the justice forum, to help insure that we actually have a justice system in this country. Help fight to return the SCOTUS to the people. Help fight to ensure that we have a Judiciary that is dedicated to helping people, and not corporations.

Join me in the media forum, as we fight agains the propoganda machine that the right wingers have built in what used to be America's journalism industry. Help fight to restore the oversight powers of the press, that used to check governmental tyranny. Obviously private gun ownership didn't prevent the tyranny of George W. Bush, but I'm sure that if we had a free press, then it would shed light on so many of the evil things that he does.

I eagerly await the gun dungeon posters joining me in these other forums to help me fight for Democratic principles.

[havocmom]

1. News flash for ya: There are lots of gun totin' dems already posting in

those forums and working very hard on those issues. Most of us stay outta the gungeon cuz it's pointless most of the time.

[Lefty48197]

4. I don't doubt that for one minute, havocmom

It's the "Democrats" that never address any of the issues I've mentioned, or entered any of the forums I mentioned, that this post was directed towards. I'd love to discuss gun rights and ownership with the Democrats who actually care about those issues, it's just that that discussion is not allowed by the others.

[Retired AF Dem]

7. Even in this thread you can't help but

caste one you your little barbs. I thought you were looking for unity. You have started two threads on the health care forum. I see you are a real mover and shaker over there.

[Lefty48197]

9. Nice insult Dem,

Have you searched the entirety of the DU archives in search of health care posts I have made? Are you still willing to claim that I have made only two posts on that subject? I wonder how much of a mover and shaker you have been with your 300+ posts? Considering that several of them have been attacks at me, with nothing to add to the conversation, I'm wondering if you've posted even one
"mover and shaker" post. Have a nice day, sir.

[Retired AF Dem]

14. Sir

you need to read my post again. I said you have started two threads in the health care forum. And if healthcare is such an issue why is there only a total of 600 posts there?

[vpigrad]

2. There's a big problem with your post!

economics...education...foreign affairs...health care...poverty...economic development...environment...energy...justice...media

None of those things matter if you get shot and killed. Making sure we're safe from people with those things is something that needs to be done even before you discuss something like, for example, education. Again, a good education doesn't matter if you get shot and killed. A good economy doesn't matter if, for example happened here last week, one of the owners of those things gets mad at you for coughing during a movie and shoots you.

I will agree that health care and those things go together. Just go to an ER on a Friday night, and you'll see just how well they go together. Those things create a lot of business for the medical cartel.

[slackmaster]

3. I'm already there Lefty

Most of my posts on DU are in other forums.

I eagerly await the gun dungeon posters joining me in these other forums to help me fight for Democratic principles.

I think personal liberty is one of the most fundamental Democratic principles.

[Lefty48197]

5. Not to single you out Slackmaster,

but I would have grouped you in with the people who have never ventured outside of the gun dungeon, and into one of the Democratic forums. I trust the veracity of your last post, and I look forward to joining you in your discussions in those other forums. If you post something that you are particularly proud of, then feel free to email me and ask me to join you in that discussion. I'll be happy to oblige.

[virginia mountainman]

6. intelligent debate

I am new to D.U. I care about many of the other issues, but I am MOST knowledgeable about firearms and firearm legislation.

I lurk in other forums, simply because I don’t know enough to add to the INTELLIGENT debate there, I would rather read the posts, and learn about those issues before speaking up.

Firearms and firearm polices, I know much about, and can post about them, with out the risk of looking like a complete ass.

I fully agree with Slack master about personal liberty

Andrew. Defender of ALL the Bill of Rights

[Lefty48197]

11. Knowing about Democratic issues is not a long learning process

Most liberals, or defenders of working or disadvantaged people formed their opinions about matters at a very early age. They have developed passions about several different topics that are of interest to many other Democrats.
You can draw your own conclusions about "liberals/Democrats" who have no interest in health care, economic issues, social issues etc.

[virginia mountainman]

13. as i said

I never said I did not have any interest in different issues, I want to see the Democrats come back as much, if not MORE than you do, to this end I am hoping that some high ranking democrats sees the light about the damage that Gun Control has done to the party in the past, I am begining to feel the frutility of my attempts

I have developed and EXTREME passion for the Bill of Rights, the 2nd Amendment in particular.

Freedom first and foremost!

You should read my very first post to find out more about me, I have watched the Gun Issue rip my family and other local families from the “D” column over the past 11 years

Here it is;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x95394#95510

I hope that you DID read some of the technical information I posted and saw how truly ridiculous Brady’s position is, and I am sorry about the “eat you comment” but you MUST admit, I did not threaten to shoot you!

Please look past the hostility of that thread, and just look at the basic numbers

It is common knowledge I am pointing out they even had a piece on “Myth Busters” TV show awhile back that showed how much penatrive power a 30-06 had compared to a 357 Magnum revolver, It showed the .357 round being easily being stopped by “bullet resistant glaze”

Then it showed the 30-06 going thru 2 sheets of the stuff with ease

I have a good freind in Michigen that would be more than willing to take you out shooting, he owns MANY guns (he has a libratarian streak, but he is a nice guy, a piller of the community type) you could go "hands on" and see for yourself the power diferance, he even has an AR15 in .223

Andrew

[Lefty48197]

18. I already have a gun nut friend

His AR15 is chambered for the Russian round. I fired his big pistols, his little pistols, big rifles, and little rifles.
Rarest one I've fired? Probably the 350 magnum rifle. I'm told they're scarce. Made the 44 mag rifle round look like a "varmint round".

[MrSandman]

19. If by "44 mag rifle round "...

You mean the one of Lt. Callahan fame, it is rather puny in a rifle.

[benEzra]

20. Ah, an AR-15 in 7.62x39...

which was a pretty cool concept. (I really like the AR design.)

That's the same intermediate round chambered in civilian AK-47 lookalikes (and real AK-47's, for that matter). Pretty similar to a .30-30 Winchester ballistically.

What'd you think about the AR ergonomics? (And do you think AR's should be outlawed?)

[aikoaiko]

17. Lefty48197

Please say explicity what you mean by, "You can draw your own conclusions about "liberals/Democrats" who have no interest in health care, economic issues, social issues etc."

I post in General Discussion threads, but you know, so what if I didn't. It would be great to post on lots of different subforums, its also just as "democratic" to specialize in some debates while letting others lead the way on other topics.

I say respond to the content of posts with your own content instead of casting others in a poor light because they are not prolific posters on other topics. I don't know how you can post about unity and then imply that people who only post in the gungeon are lesser democrats.

[RoeBear]

16. When did you get appointed

"Big Brother"?

[T Town Jake]

8. This "plea" sure is special alright...

...and about as sincere as that Sig line you sport that you think is so witty. All this "plea" - as a plea - amounts to is a thinly-veiled freeper accusation. Indeed, a brief glance at the forum shows at least three other posts of yours drawing flames from the RKBA'ers, which is exactly what they were intended to do when you posted them. What you really mean by "unity" is unify your opinions with mine, or shut the hell up. Some "unity," that...

[Lefty48197]

10. Intended to draw flames?

I doubt that too many Democrats are inflammed by my posts. Those that are have the opportunity to question me at any time in an intelligent mature matter. That doesn't happen in the gun dungeon. That's what I'm trying to change.

[MrSandman]

12. By ignoring all the mature responses...

Those that are have the opportunity to question me at any time in an intelligent mature matter. That doesn't happen in the gun dungeon. That's what I'm trying to change.

To Post #30
What will be changed???

[Township75]

15. I guess only time will tell me for sure if you are serious or not...

but I don't ever recall seeing you in E&E forum before. This makes me kinda skeptical...unfortunately, I lost my star last week so I can't search.

Anyway, I will look for you over there, and in the Dem Party forum...and if you feel like going to the Rural forum, The PA forum, the WV forum, or the VA forum, I am sure we will see each other there.

BTW - if your intent is to come back in after some time and ask where we were, and why aren't we fighting for dem principles because we don't post in other forums, realize that some us, like myself, aren't going to bother making another post that just talkes about how much Bush sucks. THats what 99% of the posts in most forums are about. Someone else can do that for me; I don't see a need to restate the obvious to everyone here at DU. Guns are a different matter...there are many who don't see the issue as I do, but I know from experience that with some discussion sometimes they will...so I am more inclined to come here than to another forum, because it is where people on DU do not agree on an issue.

[MrSandman]

21. My last post in HC has stood as the last update...

For over twenty hours now.

How many on DU have chosen to:

Join me in the health care forum,...