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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 04:24 PM
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glorious and free!
I got curious about the drug-testing discussion here earlier.

Grannylib was required to pass a drug test as a condition of employment for a job in "HR. Corporate training and development." --
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x91150

Here's what the Canadian Human Rights Commission (which is responsible for applying the Canadian Human Rights Act, the non-constitutional legislation governing private sector employment in areas under federal jurisdiction, e.g. banking, shipping, railways, broadcasting) has to say about the practice in Canada (boldface the Commission's; boldface italics mine):

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/alcohol_drug_testing-en.asp#Executive Summary

Because they cannot be established as bona fide occupational requirements, the following types of testing are not acceptable:

- Pre-employment drug testing

- Pre-employment alcohol testing

- Random drug testing

- Random alcohol testing of employees in non-safety-sensitive positions.

The following types of testing may be included in a workplace drug- and alcohol-testing program, but only if an employer can demonstrate that they are bona fide occupational requirements:

- Random alcohol testing of employees in safety sensitive positions. Alcohol testing has been found to be a reasonable requirement because alcohol testing can indicate actual impairment of ability to perform or fulfill the essential duties or requirements of the job. Random drug testing is prohibited because, given its technical limitations, drug testing can only detect the presence of drugs and not if or when an employee may have been impaired by drug use.

- Drug or alcohol testing for "reasonable cause" or "post-accident," e.g. where there are reasonable grounds to believe there is an underlying problem of substance abuse or where an accident has occurred due to impairment from drugs or alcohol, provided that testing is a part of a broader program of medical assessment, monitoring and support.

- Periodic or random testing following disclosure of a current drug or alcohol dependency or abuse problem may be acceptable if tailored to individual circumstances and as part of a broader program of monitoring and support. Usually, a designated rehabilitation provider will determine whether follow-up testing is necessary for a particular individual.

- Mandatory disclosure of present or past drug or alcohol dependency or abuse may be permissible for employees holding safety-sensitive positions, within certain limits, and in concert with accommodation measures. Generally, employees not in safety-sensitive positions should not be required to disclose past alcohol or drug problems.

In the limited circumstances where testing is justified, employees who test positive must be accommodated to the point of undue hardship. ...

Of course, this reflects the overall Canadian approach to individuals' rights and freedoms: that equality may not be denied, privacy not invaded, liberty impaired, etc., without demonstrated justification.

If private-sector non-discrimination legislation (federal or provincial) permitted discrimination on an unjustified ground, that legislation itself (i.e. the offending part of it, the part that failed to protect against discrimination) would be struck down by the courts as a violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Constitution) (or the necessary anti-discrimination provision would be "read into" the legislation).

That's not courts being "activist", by the way. That's courts doing exactly what the courts are required to do: apply the Constitution. The Canadian constitution contains very strong equality rights guarantees, and the courts cannot ignore them.

This is in fact what the Supreme Court of Canada did in a case in which it was argued that, by not prohibiting discrimination in the private sector (employment, rental accommodation, retail services, etc.) on the basis of sexual orientation -- while prohibiting discrimination on the basis of race, religion, sex, etc. -- the Alberta legislation was unconstitutional. The legislation itself denied gay men and lesbians the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law that the constitution guarantees, and was not demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

Hell, even the Human Rights Commission of Alberta (Neoconland North) says this:

http://www.albertahumanrights.ab.ca/publications/Information_Sheets/Text/Info_Drug_Testing.asp

Based on current human rights case law, the Alberta Human Rights and Citizenship Commission (the Commission) takes the following position on drug and alcohol testing:

1.Drug and alcohol testing are only allowable in certain circumstances.

2.It is discriminatory to test potential or existing employees for drug and alcohol use if the testing is not reasonable and justifiable.

3.There is a duty to accommodate persons with disabilities in the workplace, up to the point of undue hardship. Drug and alcohol dependency, whether perceived or real, fall within the meaning of disability under the Human Rights, Citizenship and Multiculturalism Act. For more information about accommodation, see the Commission’s interpretive bulletin Duty to accommodate.

There are of course many nuances to these positions, and the courts will examine individual cases based on their own facts and context.

But I just thought it interesting that the practice to which Grannylib was subjected would, on the face of it (no safety-related considerations, no broader policy issues specific to the employment), be flat out illegal in Canada, under anti-discrimination legislation enacted by our various governments and interpreted by our various administrative and judicial bodies.

Damn that meddling government, eh?


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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 04:29 PM
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1. and may I add
How happy I am to see no one posting here today.

At least anyone who is NOT out there wearing out the soles of his/her shoes and the skin of his/her knuckles, or wearing his/her dialing finger to the bone, seems to have the good sense not to advertise this fact by posting here. ;)

I look forward to seeing nobody at all here tomorrow.

Maybe we could start the alien takeover of DU (usually scheduled for USAmerican Thanksgiving Day) early this year ...

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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 03:39 AM
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2. I'm here...but that doesn't really count, does it.......
Got the champagne on ice and am waiting for a reason to open it!

P.
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LibLabUK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:28 AM
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3. Hmm..
"Canadian approach to individuals' rights and freedoms: that equality may not be denied, privacy not invaded, liberty impaired,"

You mean to say that you are not labouring under the yoke of oppression and denied your rights by the jackbooted goons of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II?

This is not the Canada I visited in 2002, I distinctly remember queues for bread and milk, blood in the streets from the oppressed underclasses and the quiet weeping of a multitude of grandmothers as their children and children's children were lead off to be worked to death in the maple syrup mines.



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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 09:01 AM
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4. listen, you jack-booted goon
Unfortunately, the maple syrup mines closed last year, victims of the illegal tariff barriers imposed by a protectionist Republican US Congress desperate to rip Vermont's one congressional seat away from that commie Bernie Sanders.

The bent, wrinkled old women whose children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren were sealed inside the closed mines, to prevent them from rising up against the running dog Liberal royalist collaborateurs, now walk in endless circles around the mall in Grand'mère, Quebec ... les grand'mères de la plaza de Grand'mère ... trying to blend in with all those people lined up (we colonials don't "queue", you limey twit) for their bread and milk so the redcoats don't spot them and haul them away to the fields to live out their days picking beaver skins.

Faut que tu sautes dessous, tournes debout, arraches un ballot de peaux de castor.
Sautes dessous, tournes debout, arraches ton ballot du jour.


The ancient beaver-skin-picking song of the grand'mères de Grand'mères.

Of course, what with global warming, the beaver skin market hasn't been what it used to be, and obviously demand for exports is dropping ... and soon the grand'mères de Grand'mères will all be dead. But we got some o' those Yanqui scientific big heads to come in and take DNA samples from them, so if any of their great-grandchildren escaped they can be identified and maybe shipped across the pond and put to service walking HM's corgis.

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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:14 PM
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5. Looks like Canada has more respect for our Constitutional right
against illegal search and seizure, than we do.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:12 PM
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7. hey!
"Looks like Canada has more respect for our Constitutional right against illegal search and seizure, than we do

That there is OUR constitutional right:

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/

Legal Rights

Life, liberty and security of person

7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

Search or seizure

8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.


Detention or imprisonment

9. Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned.

Arrest or detention

10. Everyone has the right on arrest or detention

a) to be informed promptly of the reasons therefor;
b) to retain and instruct counsel without delay and to be informed of that right; and
c) to have the validity of the detention determined by way of habeas corpus and to be released if the detention is not lawful.


Also the constitutional right of whole loads of other people in other places. Where do youse guys think you got the idea from??

Remember Magna Carta?

http://www.bl.uk/collections/treasures/magnatranslation.html

(39) No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgement of his equals or by the law of the land.
We all make our contributions as we go along.

But yeah -- we do seem to take it all more seriously!

And now I have to go to my appointment to get my photo taken for my new health card ...

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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 08:44 PM
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6. another good reason to emigrate
plus my husband has lots of family there, on his mom's side.

I've been to visit Canada several times ... I love it there.
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